Sasuke a direct descendent of Madara or Izuna ?

[Mikeuhsomething36]

I would say Madara is Obito's ancestor and Izuna is Sasuke and Itachi's.
Obito said Madara was his Ancestor.

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Naruto also said Obito is Sasuke's relative.

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Sasuke and Obito are from the same clan so they have a similar ancestor so they are related in that way.

Madara is commonly known as the Uchiha ancestir because he was the leader of the clan and the clan itsekf seems to be really inbred anyway for example, if your great great great great great great grandmother married your equally great grandfather but you were spawned from another woman not that grandmother but she still marrued into the clan. That grandmother although you are not blood related would still be called your ancestor because she married into the clan so you can think of it like that. Ancestir by blood and clan ties not necessarily statibg madara as a direct grandfather but an indirect one

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sasuke and Obito are from the same clan so they have a similar ancestor so they are related in that way.

Madara is commonly known as the Uchiha ancestir because he was the leader of the clan and the clan itsekf seems to be really inbred anyway for example, if your great great great great great great grandmother married your equally great grandfather but you were spawned from another woman not that grandmother but she still marrued into the clan. That grandmother although you are not blood related would still be called your ancestor because she married into the clan so you can think of it like that. Ancestir by blood and clan ties not necessarily statibg madara as a direct grandfather but an indirect one

RIP word and meaning:sdo:

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Namikaze name is not real. He is really Senju.

Tobirama --> (unknown) --> Jiraya --> Minato -- > Naruto

Hashirama -- > (unknown) --> Tsunade

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The Namimaze clan is certainly real otherwise Minato wouldn't have that name. There is also no proof that Namikaze is really senju unless you can provide facts stating otherwise, Also there is no proof that Tobirana had children That's merely an assumption, I stopped taking it seriously when the arrows seemed to point that Jiraiya is a possible ancestor

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

RIP word and meaning:sdo:

Thanks for agreeing to my comment being plausible :sdo:

 

[BananaAssassin]

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The Namimaze clan is certainly real otherwise Minato wouldn't have that name. There is also no proof that Namikaze is really senju unless you can provide facts stating otherwise, Also there is no proof that Tobirana had children That's merely an assumption, I stopped taking it seriously when the arrows seemed to point that Jiraiya is a possible ancestor

Actually Namikaze thing is just a distraction. Kishi happens to be good friends with my dad so I heard him saying at one time in the dinner table that Minato is actually Senju who had to change his name so that he would not be targeted by the likes of Akatsuki. Same with Jiraya.

Jiraya is an ancestor? Dafuq you talking about.

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Sasuke and Obito are from the same clan so they have a similar ancestor so they are related in that way.

Madara is commonly known as the Uchiha ancestir because he was the leader of the clan and the clan itsekf seems to be really inbred anyway for example, if your great great great great great great grandmother married your equally great grandfather but you were spawned from another woman not that grandmother but she still marrued into the clan. That grandmother although you are not blood related would still be called your ancestor because she married into the clan so you can think of it like that. Ancestir by blood and clan ties not necessarily statibg madara as a direct grandfather but an indirect one

Madara is not commonly known as such, :|
Sasuke didn't know who he was when Kurama first mentioned him in the series.
And.. Obito was pure Uchiha, he was raised by grandma, who was an Uchiha, remember?

 

[Koinzell]

sasuke negs izuma and extreme difficulty madara uchiha.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Madara is not commonly known as such, :|
Sasuke didn't know who he was when Kurama first mentioned him in the series.
And.. Obito was pure Uchiha, he was raised by grandma, who was an Uchiha, remember?

Sasuke's entire clan bar Itachi and Obito notably was murdered when he was 5-6, why would he know any notable ancestors :|? Heck I bet Sasuke didn't even know who that one Uchiha who was good friends with tobirama. Before the massacre every Uchiha should know that Madara is an ancestor :sdo:. When did I say Obito wasn't? I was giving an analogy, okay, basically to not over complicate it, Madara is Obito's ancestor in name and possibly blood given that the Uchiha seem really inbred but not canonically by direct grandfather ties if that makes sense. I can simplify it even further if you wish just don't want my post getting mistranslated.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Actually Namikaze thing is just a distraction. Kishi happens to be good friends with my dad so I heard him saying at one time in the dinner table that Minato is actually Senju who had to change his name so that he would not be targeted by the likes of Akatsuki. Same with Jiraya.

Jiraya is an ancestor? Dafuq you talking about.

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Anyways, you made arrows, the second line showed Hashirama > unknown > Tsunade. Hashi was tsunade's grand Father and we don't know tsunade's parents hence the unknown. Then what was the purpose of the space above that?

 

[Prince Lucifer]

Sasuke's entire clan bar Itachi and Obito notably was murdered when he was 5-6, why would he know any notable ancestors :|? Heck I bet Sasuke didn't even know who that one Uchiha who was good friends with tobirama. Before the massacre every Uchiha should know that Madara is an ancestor :sdo:. When did I say Obito wasn't? I was giving an analogy, okay, basically to not over complicate it, Madara is Obito's ancestor in name and possibly blood given that the Uchiha seem really inbred but not canonically by direct grandfather ties if that makes sense. I can simplify it even further if you wish just don't want my post getting mistranslated.

If Sasuke remembered Hog hunting with Itachi, surely, he should remember Madara, Madara was known as the man who tamed the Nine Tails, both Kakashi, Minato and Itachi acknowledged this, Madara was never commonly known as the Uchiha ancestor, that still doesn't make sense because No other Uchiha besides Obito called him ancestor it leaves little options but to conclude Obito is legit, Madara's descendant.

 

[BananaAssassin]

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Anyways, you made arrows, the second line showed Hashirama > unknown > Tsunade. Hashi was tsunade's grand Father and we don't know tsunade's parents hence the unknown. Then what was the purpose of the space above that?

Yes..? It implied that Jiraya is Naruto's grandfather. Does grandfather mean the same as ancestor in your mind?

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

If Sasuke remembered Hog hunting with Itachi, surely, he should remember Madara, Madara was known as the man who tamed the Nine Tails, both Kakashi, Minato and Itachi acknowledged this, Madara was never commonly known as the Uchiha ancestor, that still doesn't make sense because No other Uchiha besides Obito called him ancestor it leaves little options but to conclude Obito is legit, Madara's descendant.

So you're basically going to assume that a 5-6 year old was told about Madara and all of his "amazing" adventures? There is no valid proof that they did, you're basically bringing assumptous detail and treating it as fact. Why on earth would you tell a little kid this? Why should said kid even care to remember if they did? What would be the purpose? Gloating about the clan? If anything Madara leaves a bad taste seeing how he betrayed the village and abandoned the clan.

And Idk maybe it's because only Obito had interactions with Madara at his old state, everyone thought he was dead and mentioning Madara was not relevant until part 2. Kishi probably didn't even think of Madara in part 1, by then the entire clan was killed off (bar itachi and obito). This thread is rigged if assumptions, it was never stated that Madara had children as he was too busy with his dream and trying to surpass Hashirama.

The only thing present is that you're at this point know that it's not true that Sasuke is a DIRECT descendent. I didn't rule oyt indirect descendent which is actually much more plausible. All Obito said was Madara was his ancestor, okay so if time travel was possible and I met someone related to me even if it was my great great great great etc uncle he would be called ancestor that dies not instantly mean he isn't the ancestor of a family that adopted and he isn't the ancestir if that adopted child. What I'm saying is, obito saying Madara is his ancestor does not mean anything. He's a common Uchiha ancestor because of blood ties. Sarada's great great great great great grand children would probably call obito ancestor that doesn't mean Obito is Sasuke's father :|...

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Yes..? It implied that Jiraya is Naruto's grandfather. Does grandfather mean the same as ancestor in your mind?

So you're accepting implication as a fact nope not even taking this seriously anymore XD

 

[BananaAssassin]

So you're accepting implication as a fact nope not even taking this seriously anymore XD

No I meant that the arrows implied something that is a fact.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

No I meant that the arrows implied something that is a fact.

Scans of said "fact" ?

Not the Hashirama one the Jiraiya one

 

[Prince Lucifer]

So you're basically going to assume that a 5-6 year old was told about Madara and all of his "amazing" adventures? There is no valid proof that they did, you're basically bringing assumptous detail and treating it as fact. Why on earth would you tell a little kid this? Why should said kid even care to remember if they did? What would be the purpose? Gloating about the clan? If anything Madara leaves a bad taste seeing how he betrayed the village and abandoned the clan.

And Idk maybe it's because only Obito had interactions with Madara at his old state, everyone thought he was dead and mentioning Madara was not relevant until part 2. Kishi probably didn't even think of Madara in part 1, by then the entire clan was killed off (bar itachi and obito). This thread is rigged if assumptions, it was never stated that Madara had children as he was too busy with his dream and trying to surpass Hashirama.

The only thing present is that you're at this point know that it's not true that Sasuke is a DIRECT descendent. I didn't rule oyt indirect descendent which is actually much more plausible. All Obito said was Madara was his ancestor, okay so if time travel was possible and I met someone related to me even if it was my great great great great etc uncle he would be called ancestor that dies not instantly mean he isn't the ancestor of a family that adopted and he isn't the ancestir if that adopted child. What I'm saying is, obito saying Madara is his ancestor does not mean anything. He's a common Uchiha ancestor because of blood ties. Sarada's great great great great great grand children would probably call obito ancestor that doesn't mean Obito is Sasuke's father :|...

Someone must have a told a 5 or 6 year old Obito, Lol
Why would earth would they tell Obito this? The Uchiha is a proud Clan, someone must have told Itachi about Madara as well, and no, they would have called him elder not ancestor, Ancestor implies you're descended from them either by son or daughter, Sarada would likely say elder than Ancestor.

 

[Styles]

Madara. Sasuke doesn't look like Izuna much to me.

 

[Angelic.]

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