Tsunade vs Hiashi

[ToshiZO]

Body Flicker Technique (瞬身の術, Shunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al

A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!

Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.

The cloud of sand dances in the wind

[picture of Gaara using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Haku using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Kakashi using the Body Flicker]
↑→Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist. There are many variations of the "Body Flicker" for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the "Sand Body Flicker"*. There are also the "Mist Body Flicker"**, "Water Body Flicker"***, and "Leaf Body Flicker"****, among many others.

*Sand Body Flicker (砂瞬身, Suna Shunshin)
**Mist Body Flicker" (霧瞬身, Kiri Shunshin)
***Water Body Flicker" (水瞬身, Mizu Shunshin)
****"Leaf Body Flicker" (木ノ葉瞬身, Konoha Shunshin

all this proves is that it uses chakra.

It doesn't prove that it makes you faster if you already hit your top speed. By this logic, those with larger chakra reserves should be faster by default.

 

[BLAZE]

all this proves is that it uses chakra.

It doesn't prove that it makes you faster if you already hit your top speed. By this logic, those with larger chakra reserves should be faster by default.

Byakugou did enhance Ohnoki's jinton and Tsunades chakra scalpel don't see why it won't do same for Shunshin

even the chakra from seal enhanced sakura's punch to gigantic level

 

[NarutoX28]

lmfaoo the shunshin part makes zero sense. You don't get faster if you have more chakra ffs. It just gives you more chakra to stay at your own top speed for a longer time you can say.

Then Kabuto's faster than Tsunade in her prime?

 

[Joshutsu]

Byakugou did enhance Ohnoki's jinton and Tsunades chakra scalpel don't see why it won't do same for Shunshin

even the chakra from seal enhanced sakura's punch to gigantic level

You just brought up another good point, check out Sakura's punches before and after getting the seal.

 

[super yang]

Then Kabuto's faster than Tsunade in her prime?

why do U even think Tsunade is fast? because she holds a title of kage?(which is not a rank btw- title=/= rank)

base your claims...

 

[ToshiZO]

Byakugou did enhance Ohnoki's jinton an Tsunades chakra scalpel don't see why it won't do same for Shunshin

Think of it like this. A glass of chakra there is about 70% inside. Your top speed uses 10% of it.

Having that chakra increase to 100% will only mean you can use your top speed now 10 times as opposed to 7 times, but the top speed would remain the same.

In the case of the scalpel and Jinton, lets say Onoki uses 40% of his chakra normally and he has a buffer of 30%, now that his chakra levels went up from 70 to 100, he can afford to use more of it to make a bigger jutsu using 70% of it, with the same buffer of 30% left.

Just an example, percentages don't mean shit aren't supposed to be an accurate representation.

Then Kabuto's faster than Tsunade in her prime?

Why not?

 

[super yang]

^ good point about the buffering.

this just in: elemental KKTota ninjutsu(and elements in general) can be varied by magnitudes & intensities, changing their scale w/ the intent & quality of the user ~

 

[BLAZE]

Think of it like this. A glass of chakra there is about 70% inside. Your top speed uses 10% of it.
Having that chakra increase to 100% will only mean you can use your top speed now 10 times as opposed to 7 times, but the top speed would remain the same.
In the case of the scalpel and Jinton, lets say Onoki uses 40% of his chakra normally and he has a buffer of 30%, now that his chakra levels went up from 70 to 100, he can afford to use more of it to make a bigger jutsu using 70% of it, with the same buffer of 30% left.
Just an example, percentages don't mean shit aren't supposed to be an accurate representation.

Don't see what are you trying to imply considering stronger chakra or chakra use for boost always gives the user boost in physical abilities either be case of SM,Curse Mark or chakra Mode
The case is same here in case of Sakura's punch,Tsunade's chakra scalpel and Ohnokis Jinton

Even Byakugou seal enhanced Sakura's Jump and speed that she crossed a massive distance
She Jumped after Punching the Juubi clone andd still caught up with it

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[super yang]

The case is same here in case of Sakura's punch,Tsunade's chakra scalpel and Ohnokis Jinton

Even Byakugou seal enhanced Sakura's Jump and speed that she crossed a massive distance
She Jumped after Punching the Juubi clone andd still caught up with it

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there is absolutely no ''speed feat'' in this scan, no matter how U spin it, as her opposition is sent reeling.
your subjective musings on the consistency of her catching her target, that she has already defeated is irrelevant.

edit: sakuras punch in 632 was not aided by byakugou in terms of anything canonical. she supposedly can do the same in base...
...if she isn't worried about chakra usage, its a display of efficient chakra control, not the other way around( its not like a rasengan 4 example, the medics are using less chakra, compressing it, releasing it at the right time & timing it w/ a physical strike--theoretically much less chakra usage). the significance of her activating it before punching the ground are several:

- the reveal, it made it more dramatic
- fanservice in general
- paralell w/ tsunade ''this seal allows me(a medic) to join the battle''
- the script, tsunade never used a punch quite that big because such is out of place - hence kishimoto scripting a bunch of cannon fodder to be swept up in sakuras exorbitant version.

Don't see what are you trying to imply considering stronger chakra or chakra use for boost always gives the user boost in physical abilities either be case of SM,Curse Mark or chakra Mode

- byakugou is not ''stronger chakra'' re-read your source material...
- byakugou is not a boost, or even a ''mode'' in the traditional sense. it is merely the opening of a seal & merging it w/ the body using rudimentary, yet at the same time, elite chakra control.
_And of course, the fiction never clarifies just exactly how the auto-healing takes place as yin covers a wide range of skills such as genjutsu, corporeal ninjutsu, hiden jutsu etc;..

 

[ToshiZO]

Don't see what are you trying to imply considering stronger chakra or chakra use for boost always gives the user boost in physical abilities either be case of SM,Curse Mark or chakra Mode
The case is same here in case of Sakura's punch,Tsunade's chakra scalpel and Ohnokis Jinton

Even Byakugou seal enhanced Sakura's Jump and speed that she crossed a massive distance
She Jumped after Punching the Juubi clone andd still caught up with it

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Its basically this:

there is absolutely no ''speed feat'' in this scan, no matter how U spin it, as her opposition is sent reeling. your subjective musingns on the consistency of her catching her target that she is already defeated is irrelevant.

edit: sakuras punch in 632 was not aided by byakugou in terms of anything canonical. she supposedly can do the same in base.
if she isn't worried about chakra usage, its a display of efficient chakra control, not the other way around( its not like a rasengan, the medics are using less chakra, compressing it, releasing it at the right time & timing it w/ a physical strike--theoretically much less chakra usage). the significance of her activating it before punching the ground are several:

- the reveal, it made it more dramatic
- fanservice in general
- paralell w/ tsunade ''this seal allows me(a medic) to join the battle''
- the script, tsunade never used a punch quite that big because such is out of place - hence kishimoto scripting a bunch of cannon fodder to be swept up in sakuras exorbitant version.

 

[BLAZE]

edit: sakuras punch in 632 was not aided by byakugou in terms of anything canonical. she supposedly can do the same in base.

Okay you always make dumb posts but now come on

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if she isn't worried about chakra usage, its a display of efficient chakra control, not the other way around( its not like a rasengan, the medics are using less chakra, compressing it, releasing it at the right time & timing it w/ a physical strike--theoretically much less chakra usage). the significance of her activating it before punching the ground are several:

This when she literally says
"Now its filled up.I can release it"

- the reveal, it made it more dramatic
- fanservice in general
- paralell w/ tsunade ''this seal allows me(a medic) to join the battle''
- the script, tsunade never used a punch quite that big because such is out of place - hence kishimoto scripting a bunch of cannon fodder to be swept up in sakuras exorbitant version.

Dumb post
you should read the manga

Sakura has not done anything close to it for 632 chapter

Its basically this:

:lol bring anything remotely close to that from Pre yin seal sakura

 

[NarutoX28]

Because Tsunade's a Sannin that specializes in Taijutsu and Evasion.

She's naturally going to be faster than Kabuto who can hardly train or battle using Taijutsu for a long period of time, not to mention that Base Kakashi absolutely dominated him and effortlessly blocked his attacks that targeted Kakashi's blind-spot and Tsunade should logically be well above him in her Prime.

Fact of the matter is, Kabuto consumed a Soldier Pill which greatly enhances the amount of chakra he releases which greatly enhances his speed which is what he needed to contend with Tsunade as he knew that Taijutsu was dangerous against her.

It makes sense considering Gated Gai is significantly faster than Base Gai due to the increase in chakra flowing through his body which is essentially what Byakugou does to the user's body.

 

[ToshiZO]

:lol bring anything remotely close to that from Pre yin seal sakura

Did you not read it? It would be dangerous for her to do something like that in base, she would be depleting herself of chakra, in Byakugou she can afford it.

Because Tsunade's a Sannin that specializes in Taijutsu and Evasion.

She's naturally going to be faster than Kabuto who can hardly train or battle using Taijutsu for a long period of time, not to mention that Base Kakashi absolutely dominated him and effortlessly blocked his attacks that targeted Kakashi's blind-spot and Tsunade should logically be well above him in her Prime.

Fact of the matter is, Kabuto consumed a Soldier Pill which greatly enhances the amount of chakra he releases which greatly enhances his speed which is what he needed to contend with Tsunade as he knew that Taijutsu was dangerous against her.

I dont really get the logic behind this?

Why does Tsunade have to be slower than Kabuto? And why can't Kabuto be faster? What does Kabuto have to do with anything?

 

[BLAZE]

Did you not read it? It would be dangerous for her to do something like that in base, she would be depleting herself of chakra, in Byakugou she can afford it.

she focuses chakra in her fist and then instantly releases it. [

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its not going to be dangerous for her in an case considering not even once she has felt fatigue after punching

 

[ToshiZO]

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its not going to be dangerous for her in an case considering not even once she has felt fatigue after punching

It's about the amount of chakra she releases. If she released chakra on the level she does with the Yin seal, she will suffer.

 

[NarutoX28]

Did you not read it? It would be dangerous for her to do something like that in base, she would be depleting herself of chakra, in Byakugou she can afford it.



I dont really get the logic behind this?

Why does Tsunade have to be slower than Kabuto? And why can't Kabuto be faster? What does Kabuto have to do with anything?

Kabuto used a Soldier Pill to enhance his speed.

The reason it enhances his speed because it allows him to release more chakra.

 

[BLAZE]

It's about the amount of chakra she releases. If she released chakra on the level she does with the Yin seal, she will suffer.

Absolutely not.Was not implied anywhere in manga.Thats some BS Super yang came out with

if that was the case Tsunade with gigantic Senju/Uzumaki reserve would be punching far larger and stronger than that

 

[ToshiZO]

Kabuto used a Soldier Pill to enhance his speed.

The reason it enhances his speed because it allows him to release more chakra.

Ok can you explain to me then how is someone like Itachi faster than Tsunade who has much more chakra at hand?

I don't know about Kabuto, but why would Tsunade who doesn't have any issues with chakra hold back her speed in base, its not like shunshin takes up a shitload of chakra. And its not like her chakra goes ssj, she just gets more of it.

Absolutely not.Was not implied anywhere in manga.Thats some BS Super yang came out with

if that was the case Tsunade with gigantic Senju/Uzumaki reserve would be punching far larger and stronger than that

That is why Tsunade's base punches are so strong.

 

[super yang]

Did you not read it? It would be dangerous for her to do something like that in base, she would be depleting herself of chakra, in Byakugou she can afford it.



I dont really get the logic behind this?

Why does Tsunade have to be slower than Kabuto? And why can't Kabuto be faster? What does Kabuto have to do with anything?

its like we're supposed to recognize his preconceived notions on how the ambiguous particulars of the fiction should be, yet he doesn't perceive his own subjectivity &bias.

Because Tsunade's a Sannin that specializes in Taijutsu and Evasion.

She's naturally going to be faster than Kabuto who can hardly train or battle using Taijutsu for a long period of time, not to mention that Base Kakashi absolutely dominated him and effortlessly blocked his attacks that targeted Kakashi's blind-spot and Tsunade should logically be well above him in her Prime.

thats not ''logic'' thats your own preference in interpretation.
and btw:
san-nin is a nickname, literally. saying it is empty as a title is an understatement. j-dot, 0ro & tsunade are strong because of their strikingly unique displays, & level of, - ninjutsu- which has ostensibly decorated this literature - thats is why they are strong, not because ''taijutsu'' a generic universal tool, or ''evasion'' which isn't even categorical by sub E-rank/ pre-academy grad. ninja standards

Fact of the matter is, Kabuto consumed a Soldier Pill which greatly enhances the amount of chakra he releases which greatly enhances his speed which is what he needed to contend with Tsunade as he knew that Taijutsu was dangerous against her.

he consumed a soldier pill because he felt it increased his chances of success, not because he is slower in a sprint than Tsunade.
speed is being taken out of context to suit your argument; which is actually fine in this case, but still arbitrary.

It makes sense considering Gated Gai is significantly faster than Base Gai due to the increase in chakra flowing through his body which is essentially what Byakugou does to the user's body.

gates, pills & byakugou are not related

 

[NarutoX28]

Ok can you explain to me then how is someone like Itachi faster than Tsunade who has much more chakra at hand?

Releasing more chakra will generally make one faster of course there are different factors such as training and chakra potency. Itachi is more suited for higher speed combat due to his Sharingan and has unparalleled Chakra due to being an Uchiha, so it makes sense why he would be faster.

But when comparing two individuals with the same training, same genetics, and same chakra potency, the one who releases more chakra is going to be faster. In this case, comparing Byakugou Tsunade and Base Tsunade, the only difference is the amount of chakra Byakugou Tsunade releases which is why she should be faster.