Explanation behind Ashura's avatar

[davidou]

You do realize that Bijuus were young then, right? The manifestation of Tailed Beast (Kurama in this case) mirrors the bodily form of the beast. Why would it completely look like Naruto's? Look at the head of the avatar Ashura used; it looks like a youngling's head.

What is that history lesson adding to this?

No, he simply filtered out his "evil intent or will." It's STILL Kurama's chakra. Every last bit of it. That "lifeforce" argument of yours cannot be put out of context. The fact that all Kurama users put up the nearly same looking avatar (something I brought up in my thread long ago) further proves the fact that Ashura was Kurama's host; something that is near to the ten-tails and acts as a great container for the chakra of other tailed-beasts; an excellent relay point. Why do other hosts do not achieve this, when both Yagura and Killer Bee were also perfect Jins?

Really, is that what the scan says? The Sage outright states that "because of all that you have done, is the reason why Ashura chose you." And "all that" would be what? That's right, cooperation, Bijuu chakra hoarding and all the trials or free passes Naruto went through. The Sage literally created an analogical statement; Naruto is similar because he did all what Ashura did in the past, which makes him an apt host for his Chakra or life-force.

All of that is nothing but outlandish speculation from your part when the guy never had the Sage's strong chakra genes aka the Bijuu chakra inheritence. Whatever he developed wasn't this; Bijuu yang chakra or whatever is it that you are alluding to. No so-called fact points out to this.



Are you? It's BM avatar with clones merged together. Common sense tells me that just because clones are made, it doesn't mean the thing stops being that thing and becomes something else.

I don't care what anyone states. Ashura's Avatar doesn't exist.

I agree with you.
People seem to forget that Kurama was a baby when the fight Indra VS Ashura happened.

I wanted to add that there are disturbing similarities between baby Kurama and "Ashura's avatar", do people deny them or did they forget to make the comparison?

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For exemple, the black markings surrounding Baby Kurama's eyes and ears are exactly the same markings than "Ashura's avatar", in my mind, that is a good evidence that Ashura has made bloomed baby Kurama's chakra into his body, probably via ninshuu.
Furthermore Ashura's avatar has tails...
It's a Kurama beast mode, the same beast mode as Minato, who wasn't a transmigrant of Ashura.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

I agree with you.
People seem to forget that Kurama was a baby when the fight Indra VS Ashura happened.

I wanted to add that there are disturbing similarities between baby Kurama and "Ashura's avatar", do people deny them or did they forget to make the comparison?

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For exemple, the black markings surrounding Baby Kurama's eyes and ears are exactly the same markings than "Ashura's avatar", in my mind, that is a good evidence that Ashura has made bloomed baby Kurama's chakra into his body, probably via ninshuu.
Furthermore Ashura's avatar has tails...
It's a Kurama beast mode, the same beast mode as Minato, who wasn't a transmigrant of Ashura.

but asura was not a jinchuriki...so your comment does not add up

 

[davidou]

but asura was not a jinchuriki...so your comment does not add up

Who is Asura?You must be talking about Ashura.

You choose to deny all my post just because of that, although I never said Ashura was a jin...

Just read my post again.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Who is Asura?You must be talking about Ashura.

You choose to deny all my post just because of that, although I never said Ashura was a jin...

Just read my post again.

it's spelled "asura" in the english language...if you want to get technical then we should start spelling indra as "indora"

and your post still does not make 1 ounce of damn sense

 

[davidou]

it's spelled "asura" in the english language...if you want to get technical then we should start spelling indra as "indora"

and your post still does not make 1 ounce of damn sense

It's because you have not the abilitty to understand it.

Your posts are completely irrelevant.
It's like if someone told you that 1+1=2, and you say that your mother ate some potatoes to try to counter the reasonning of the guy...Irrelevant.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Gerizzyymcrew posted a scan that said Mito was The first kyuubi jinchuriki, isn't that enough proof Ashura wasn't one?

 

[davidou]

Gerizzyymcrew posted a scan that said Mito was The first kyuubi jinchuriki, isn't that enough proof Ashura wasn't one?

That's irrelevant as I never said in my hypothesis that Ashura was a jinchuriki.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

That's irrelevant as I never said Ashura was a jinchuriki.

I was referring to Shelke. Your theory is cool though.

 

[davidou]

I was referring to Shelke. Your theory is cool though.

Okay, sorry and thanks.
At least, my theory explains why cooperation helped Ashura, unlike other theories.

 

[shelke]

I agree with you.
People seem to forget that Kurama was a baby when the fight Indra VS Ashura happened.

I wanted to add that there are disturbing similarities between baby Kurama and "Ashura's avatar", do people deny them or did they forget to make the comparison?

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For example, the black markings surrounding Baby Kurama's eyes and ears are exactly the same markings than "Ashura's avatar", in my mind, that is a good evidence that Ashura has made bloomed baby Kurama's chakra into his body, probably via ninshuu.
Furthermore Ashura's avatar has tails...
It's a Kurama beast mode, the same beast mode as Minato, who wasn't a transmigrant of Ashura.

Precisely. Look at the long ears and small snout. It's Kurama as a youngling.

I was referring to Shelke. Your theory is cool though.

It was talking about its "entrapments" by humans; It mentioned Madara as well. Those were the people who forcefully subjugated him. Naruto did what Ashura did in the past according to the Sage; play a housewife to a bunch of guests. Cooperate and play nice. Two different times and different contexts.

Viz clearly states that ashuras bodily chakra bloomed within him and that he gained the same power as his brother
Hashi is ashuras reincarnation and he doesn't need help from a bijuu to battle madara,madara used kurama against him
And the point is is that Indra didn't need to train for his powers to awaken while ashura did

Which wasn't the Sage's chakra. Same power means what? It could mean a ton of things the manga never specified. The visual imagery is all one has to go on. You denying all the clear cut evidence to go for obscure conjecture is quite the tangent to go on.

Who cares what Hashirama did?

 

[NarutoX28]

Gerizzyymcrew posted a scan that said Mito was The first kyuubi jinchuriki, isn't that enough proof Ashura wasn't one?

No, because she is the first known Kurama Jinchuuriki, much like how Madara is the first known Uchiha to awaken the Mangekyo when we know Indra did as well.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Interesting.

 

[SenseiSama]

That is a BM Avatar with clones merged together. Just like Naruto's. Like I said, no such thing as an Indra's PS or Ashura's Avatar.

BM avatar Ashura had was due to his RSM or are you missing the fact there are TSB in his hands? The reason he has that avatar is because he inherited Juubi chakra which grants Six Path Senjutsu, it's how he was able to use Goududama.

 

[SenseiSama]

Bm avatar is naruto mimicking Asura's avatar. Asura's avatar came first and he was never a jinchuuriki otherwise the small bijuus Hagoromoo just created would've been with either Indra or Asura (neither bijuus know who they are). If it wasn't for Asura chakra that can create an avatar like that, naruto would be like all the other jinchuurikis with their transformation.
During part one where everything was red cloak then transformation into the full bijuu with skin and actual teeth. Not an avatar that copied Ashura.

I noticed you disliked my comment but everything you state is what I was referring to, the Uzumaki seal allowed him and Minato to use bijuu chakra in chakra form unlike the other jinchuuriki because their sealing ability comes from the Sage and therefore allows them to utilize bijuu chakra in a more advanced form like someone with the body of a JuubiJin, which Ashura had.

Naruto could use chakra in a similar fashion to Obito when he had six path senjutsu, he was able to extract the bijuu within Obito and Obito did the same to Madara, Naruto could also cast bijuudama in human form, which JJ Obito did as well, most importantly he was able to store the chakra of 8 bijuu within himself despite not being their jinchuuriki.

The seals of the Uzumaki are designed to give them feats that Ashura and his father had, best example is the Byakogou giving Tsunade a level of healing nearly on par with Hashirama, or the reaper seal that allows them to extract and store souls like the Rinnegan.

So Naruto's seal would have been responsible for him using BM in chakra form like Ashura while it would also have been responsible for him having the chakra of 8 additional bijuu, essentially giving him Six Paths Senjutsu which Ashura naturally inherited as proven by his use of TSB.

 

[shelke]

BM avatar Ashura had was due to his RSM or are you missing the fact there are TSB in his hands? The reason he has that avatar is because he inherited Juubi chakra which grants Six Path Senjutsu, it's how he was able to use Goududama.

So? The TSBs are a byproduct of Bijuu Chakra merging with Sage's Sage Mode. The fact he has them is further proof that he was a Jinchuriki. It's still a BM Kurama Avatar. The entire structure is the same. It's small and has a smaller head and odd snout, because Kurama was young then. Otherwise, the entire structure is exactly the same.