Onmyoudon!

[ANiMUS]

Naruto gained RSM a different way then Madara and Obito. They both gained it from sealing the 10 tails inside their body. It took Obito time to learn Onmyoudon. He didn't learn Onmyoudon until he gained control over the 10 tails -

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- That's the difference. Naruto power has nothing to do with the 10 tail beast so he cant' just master his power by gaining control over a tail beast.

Obito destroyed the 3rd Hokage body with TSB -

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- yet he returned unlike the 4th Hokage's arm. That means he wasn't able to use Onmyoudon there.

Madara never showed us he could us Onmyoudon.

You are wrong about RSM and rinnegan. Rinnegan (eye power) automatically gives the users jutsu they have never possess. They automatically know how to use the jutsu and understands it capability without any previous knowledge or having to practice the jutsu. It's like being given the ability create specific jutsu and the blueprints to those jutsu. The user doesn't have to figure out how to create jutsu from his abilities.

RSM (body power) focuses more on ability. Universal Comprehension is the ability to manipulate chakra in every single possible way and the TSB is the results of that ability. TSB is the only thing the user automatically gains. Everything else requires the user to figure out how to properly apply that ability. That requires times. Like when he healed Kakashi's eye. He wasn't sure that would work. It's like being given the ability to create any jutsu and nothing else. The users most figure out how to create jutsu from his abilities.

Even out of control Obito still possessed better control of TSB than Naruto well till the Juubi influence got in the way

You know Madara can use Omyoudon that is not even up for debate :|

Rinnegan doesn't give u immediate knowledge of all its techniques,

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^ Sasuke had to learn his rinnegan abilities, and if you noticed, Sasuke only uses abilities that he has seen others do before.

Universal Comprehension is not the ability to manipulate chakra. It gives you knowledge on how chakra works. TSB are born from RSM. A technique that gives u a general understanding of how chakra works should allow Naruto to manipulate his TSB A LOT better than he did. In the event of Kakashi's eye Naruto did know what he was doing, just not how he was doing it, but he was sure it was within his abilities.

 

[ANiMUS]

Madara taught obito about the jutsu, obito never practiced sasuke saw CT before kaguya came but only learnt how to use it before his fight with naruto so it wasn't like he didn't have knowledge. Also it took sasuke many years to learn his portal opening trick. Much slower than obito and madara when it came to rinnegan mastery.

Amaterasu isn't all sasuke's MS grants him he has kagutsuchi and susanoo but it took him time to get these, once again he was slow.

Madara and obito were never said to have that power, the source you are using to support your stance says they don't have it and the form they use and the one used by naruto are different.

Naruto never used COAT, yup it's BS.

Truth is naruto and sasuke are slow



True, he was the only uchiha in canon to have awakened sharingan with two tomo. His potential was held back by the reincarnation BS. Just like itachi

Actually you don't know whether Obito practiced the Six Paths technique. Madara trained Obito in the Model for Infinite Tsukuyomi. In a dream world Madara could have given Obito Rinnegan.

Tbh the only Uchiha to use his abilities right off the bat was Obito :| Sasuke used Amaterasu and Kagatsuchi during the fight with Bee (used Kagatsuchi to put out the flames)

Also I never said that Doujutsu users automatically learn all of their abilities, so taking time to learn and master them all is understandable. You still haven't explained why u think that Naruto's Universal Comprehension of Chakra is BS though.

 

[shadowcb]

Even out of control Obito still possessed better control of TSB than Naruto well till the Juubi influence got in the way

You know Madara can use Omyoudon that is not even up for debate :|

Rinnegan doesn't give u immediate knowledge of all its techniques,

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^ Sasuke had to learn his rinnegan abilities, and if you noticed, Sasuke only uses abilities that he has seen others do before.

Universal Comprehension is not the ability to manipulate chakra. It gives you knowledge on how chakra works. TSB are born from RSM. A technique that gives u a general understanding of how chakra works should allow Naruto to manipulate his TSB A LOT better than he did. In the event of Kakashi's eye Naruto did know what he was doing, just not how he was doing it, but he was sure it was within his abilities.

I have already explained how Naruto and Obito's RSM are different.

Sasuke learned how to control the rinnegan better. That unlocked more jutsu/ability. He didn't have to learn those jutsu. We never saw Sasuke practicing his S/T jutsu or absorption jutsu.

RSM is an ability power. That means it requires time for the user to learn the different ways to apply his ability. He just never had time to figure out the different way his ability can be applied. When he healed Kakashi's eye he was not sure 100% it would work.

Besides, Naruto still displayed lot of skills with the TSB. He shaped the TSB into different shapes (staff, stick, disk), he could create jutsu out the TSB (TSB beast ball) he even combined it with the element wind.

 

[Seventh Sama]

My point was that with the power that he was given he honestly should be the be of the three in at least one area of using his power, but nope. >_> least inventive with TSB, only uses new rasengans and steam release (and that is with the help of the bijuus)

Naruto did use TSB as a staff, a rod and a platform but that's about it. That's still one of the biggest nerfs imo, if he trained relentlessly with shadow clones to get new jutsu, he'd easily be more stronger.

If Madara and Obito didn't have Universal comprehension, and Naruto did, then that would be kinda embarrassing. Could u imagine if Naruto didn't have that power. He probably wouldn't be able to utilize his powers at all :|

He'd probably not know how to fly or use his yin-yang abilities, that'd be about it.

 

[SenseiSama]

That's not Onmyoudon. If it was, it'd erase the ice like butter.

The ability to erase like butter was an Onmyoudon feat and it only erased like butter against objects with normal chakra, anything with NE is immune to it.

 

[Holy God]

The ability to erase like butter was an Onmyoudon feat and it only erased like butter against objects with normal chakra, anything with NE is immune to it.

No, it works against anything that doesn't contain sage chakra. Obito already showed the ability to slice shapes in kunai and create perfect craters in the ground, both not containing chakra.

 

[SenseiSama]

No, it works against anything that doesn't contain sage chakra. Obito already showed the ability to slice shapes in kunai and create perfect craters in the ground, both not containing chakra.

The kunai were made with clone jutsu therefore they had Hiruzen's chakra, there was no crater when Obito expanded his TSB, the shading was a shadow cast from the dust

 

[Gerkak]

Actually you don't know whether Obito practiced the Six Paths technique. Madara trained Obito in the Model for Infinite Tsukuyomi. In a dream world Madara could have given Obito Rinnegan.

Possible.

Tbh the only Uchiha to use his abilities right off the bat was Obito :| Sasuke used Amaterasu and Kagatsuchi during the fight with Bee (used Kagatsuchi to put out the flames)

Sasuke never used kagutsuchi when he fought bee. Kagutsuchi is not used to put out amaterasu but to shape it, itachi who never had kagutsuchi could put out amaterasu.

Also I never said that Doujutsu users automatically learn all of their abilities, so taking time to learn and master them all is understandable. You still haven't explained why u think that Naruto's Universal Comprehension of Chakra is BS though.

It is BS because nothing in the manga supports it. First of all naruto pulling techniques out of nowhere can't be proof because naruto has done that before obtaining RSM, example is his ability to give the alliance cloaks that match their chakra signature. Prior to this naruto was still having difficulty using rasengan with a single hand and now all of a sudden he has better chakra control than minato? Then we see naruto sensing chakra in KCM, since when? You see what I mean? Given this, naruto learning how to do things and not being able to explain them which he has done before RSM isn't proof of universal comprehension. Unless the manga says he has universal comprehension I am just gonna think it is nothing but DB hype just like temari's universe destroying wind.

 

[Holy God]

The kunai were made with clone jutsu therefore they had Hiruzen's chakra, there was no crater when Obito expanded his TSB, the shading was a shadow cast from the dust

I don't know what chapter it happened, so I can't look at it again, but I'm quite sure it was a crater. Also, if it didn't work against natural objects, Kaguya wouldn't be able to erase the previous dimension she wanted in order to "create a new one".

 

[SenseiSama]

I don't know what chapter it happened, so I can't look at it again, but I'm quite sure it was a crater. Also, if it didn't work against natural objects, Kaguya wouldn't be able to erase the previous dimension she wanted in order to "create a new one".

But she wasn't using Onmyoudon, she was using COAT by applying all the elements to make a "big bang"

 

[ANiMUS]

Possible.



Sasuke never used kagutsuchi when he fought bee. Kagutsuchi is not used to put out amaterasu but to shape it, itachi who never had kagutsuchi could put out amaterasu.



It is BS because nothing in the manga supports it. First of all naruto pulling techniques out of nowhere can't be proof because naruto has done that before obtaining RSM, example is his ability to give the alliance cloaks that match their chakra signature. Prior to this naruto was still having difficulty using rasengan with a single hand and now all of a sudden he has better chakra control than minato? Then we see naruto sensing chakra in KCM, since when? You see what I mean? Given this, naruto learning how to do things and not being able to explain them which he has done before RSM isn't proof of universal comprehension. Unless the manga says he has universal comprehension I am just gonna think it is nothing but DB hype just like temari's universe destroying wind.

He used two different eyes to cast and put out Amaterasu. The second eye was the one used for Kagatsuchi,

Ok so u say it's BS out of personal reasoning

 

[ANiMUS]

I have already explained how Naruto and Obito's RSM are different.

Sasuke learned how to control the rinnegan better. That unlocked more jutsu/ability. He didn't have to learn those jutsu. We never saw Sasuke practicing his S/T jutsu or absorption jutsu.

RSM is an ability power. That means it requires time for the user to learn the different ways to apply his ability. He just never had time to figure out the different way his ability can be applied. When he healed Kakashi's eye he was not sure 100% it would work.

Besides, Naruto still displayed lot of skills with the TSB. He shaped the TSB into different shapes (staff, stick, disk), he could create jutsu out the TSB (TSB beast ball) he even combined it with the element wind.

Sasuke can analyze the chakra of the techniques ppl use and replicate them. He has seen CT b4, as well as Preta. Doujutsu users usually learn one technique off the bat.
Obito/ Kakashi Kamui, Sasuke Amaterasu they work to unlock the rest of the abilities.

Also turning a TSB which is a ball of multiple chakras into a different technique using chakra that was handed to him doesn't seem like that big of a deal

 

[shadowcb]

Sasuke can analyze the chakra of the techniques ppl use and replicate them. He has seen CT b4, as well as Preta. Doujutsu users usually learn one technique off the bat.
Obito/ Kakashi Kamui, Sasuke Amaterasu they work to unlock the rest of the abilities.

Also turning a TSB which is a ball of multiple chakras into a different technique using chakra that was handed to him doesn't seem like that big of a deal

The sharingan can't copy all jutsu there are limits. He cant' copy a jutsu he doesn't' have the ability to perform. It's been proven eye jutsu gives users jutsu automatically.

If the TSB wasn't a big deal then we would have seen more people use the jutsu and senjutsu wouldn't be needed to counter onmyoudon.

Remember, all power/chakra originates from the 10 tails. The 10 tail uses natural energy and that is necessary to counter onmyoudon.

 

[Prometheus 2000]

Possible.



Sasuke never used kagutsuchi when he fought bee. Kagutsuchi is not used to put out amaterasu but to shape it, itachi who never had kagutsuchi could put out amaterasu.



It is BS because nothing in the manga supports it. First of all naruto pulling techniques out of nowhere can't be proof because naruto has done that before obtaining RSM, example is his ability to give the alliance cloaks that match their chakra signature. Prior to this naruto was still having difficulty using rasengan with a single hand and now all of a sudden he has better chakra control than minato? Then we see naruto sensing chakra in KCM, since when? You see what I mean? Given this, naruto learning how to do things and not being able to explain them which he has done before RSM isn't proof of universal comprehension. Unless the manga says he has universal comprehension I am just gonna think it is nothing but DB hype just like temari's universe destroying wind.

Naruto had the chakra/abilities of all the Bijuu besides 2 of them prior to meeting Hagoromo and gaining RSM yet he couldn't use them beforehand.

Keep in mind that he needed to train in order to use Kurama's power, yet once he got RSM he didn't need any training to use the other Bijuu's powers. There's also the fact he certainly wasn't capable of using such complex nature transformation jutsu like the Lava Rasenshuriken.

That tells me the databook can't be all hype. But to each their own.

 

[ANiMUS]

The sharingan can't copy all jutsu there are limits. He cant' copy a jutsu he doesn't' have the ability to perform. It's been proven eye jutsu gives users jutsu automatically.

If the TSB wasn't a big deal then we would have seen more people use the jutsu and senjutsu wouldn't be needed to counter onmyoudon.

Remember, all power/chakra originates from the 10 tails. The 10 tail uses natural energy and that is necessary to counter onmyoudon.

Except Sasuke does have those abilities :|

If they turned their TSB into jutsu then what is Naruto going to do to be seen as special u need to realize that this series is being written by an author and Naruto is the third man in a row to use this power

 

[Holy God]

But she wasn't using Onmyoudon, she was using COAT by applying all the elements to make a "big bang"

No. She made an "Expanding Truth-Seeking Sphere", thus an ever-expanding one that would destroy everything in the dimension to create an empty one.

 

[Nick01]

Possible.



Sasuke never used kagutsuchi when he fought bee. Kagutsuchi is not used to put out amaterasu but to shape it, itachi who never had kagutsuchi could put out amaterasu.



It is BS because nothing in the manga supports it. First of all naruto pulling techniques out of nowhere can't be proof because naruto has done that before obtaining RSM, example is his ability to give the alliance cloaks that match their chakra signature. Prior to this naruto was still having difficulty using rasengan with a single hand and now all of a sudden he has better chakra control than minato? Then we see naruto sensing chakra in KCM, since when? You see what I mean? Given this, naruto learning how to do things and not being able to explain them which he has done before RSM isn't proof of universal comprehension. Unless the manga says he has universal comprehension I am just gonna think it is nothing but DB hype just like temari's universe destroying wind.

Exactly.

 

[ANiMUS]

Exactly.

Going to remember this next time Michael makes a Universal Comprehension thread. :sdo2: so i can remember that u think it's just DB Hyperbole

 

[Nick01]

Going to remember this next time Michael makes a Universal Comprehension thread. :sdo2: so i can remember that u think it's just DB Hyperbole

Looking forward to it.

 

[Gerkak]

He used two different eyes to cast and put out Amaterasu. The second eye was the one used for Kagatsuchi,

You can't tel which eye he used since both were open. Itachi put out amaterasu despite not having kagutsutchi this clearly means putting out amaterasu has nothing to do with kagutsuchi

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Ok so u say it's BS out of personal reasoning

Personal reasoning? My argument has merit, you just read the last statement without considering the rest of the content. Naruto pulled out jutsu from thing air prior to RSM, unless you are claiming that he had universal comprehension since the war started.

Naruto had the chakra/abilities of all the Bijuu besides 2 of them prior to meeting Hagoromo and gaining RSM yet he couldn't use them beforehand

Naruto couldn't use their power because the bijuu couldn't manifest inside his consciousness before he gained RSM unless he was in physical contact with them. If naruto using the bijuu chakra in RSM was due to universal comprehension then he wouldn't need their help to use the special techniques.

Keep in mind that he needed to train in order to use Kurama's power, yet once he got RSM he didn't need any training to use the other Bijuu's powers. There's also the fact he certainly wasn't capable of using such complex nature transformation jutsu like the Lava Rasenshuriken.

That's because most of his RSM powers discounting the TSB and elemental techniques are the same as his BM powers. The chakra cloak, chakra arms, avatar etc. He didn't need that much training to use them. TSB can easily be mastered because naruto already knew how to shape chakra through rasengan and FRS training. As for nature transformation, naruto prior to RSM was able to alter his chakra to match that of anyone else, clearly nature transformation wouldn't be a problem for him. The only things I believe RSM granted him besides extra power and sensing are TSB, flight and an affinity for 5 basic elements and yin-yang release. It didn't grant him any form of supernatural cognizance or the like.

That tells me the databook can't be all hype. But to each their own.

Not everything in the DB is wrong, but a lot of parts are.