ISIS = made in america

[Aquaglow]

So how come we know all this like it's a fact(which it is) but no one is protesting?
Remember, the only thing it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

As Madara said: "We need to have power! No one will listen to weak pups barking!"

 

[Aquaglow]

What? xD
The Islam does do it perfectly on its own already, it doesn't need "help" of the western world. Just look at how islam-based countries trample on human rights and how intolerant they are.

America did a lot of mistakes, as well as other countries, like Germany for example. But they are still far far better and more humane than the entire hellhole, called "middle east".

The "Hellhole" created from those mistakes mind you! :stfu:

 

[DominiqueX]

No, the region was already sh!t before anyone from the outside decided to act over there.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

No, the region was already sh!t before anyone from the outside decided to act over there.

No it wasn't. Just when Islamic countries are becoming more secular which I think is something you'd want you guys claim there is an evil dictator hurting its people and then start bombing the f*ck out of it and supporting rebels.

Terrorist recruiters use the interventions of the western world as propaganda for their cause even though you guys keep doing such a great job of saving the middle east every time you intervene.

At least 100 000s of thousands of lives lost because apparently WMDs were in Iraq, which they weren't. U.S: Yeah, sorry.

Arab springs movement were supported by the U.S for 'democracy' but just turned into civil wars where the West supplied weapons. A f_cked up rebel group pops up (which was predicted) and suddenly Muslims are all f*cking evil.

The region was shit but had good signs and then went to as low as it could get when nations intervened.

 

[DominiqueX]

No it wasn't. Just when Islamic countries are becoming more secular which I think is something you'd want you guys claim there is an evil dictator hurting its people and then start bombing the f*ck out of it and supporting rebels.

Terrorist recruiters use the interventions of the western world as propaganda for their cause and you guys keep doing such a great job of saving the middle east every time you intervene.

At least 100 000s of thousands of lives lost because apparently WMDs were in Iraq, which they weren't. U.S: Yeah, sorry.

Arab springs movement supported by the U.S for 'democracy' just turn into civil wars where the West supplies weapons. And then a rebel group that you don't like pops up (which was predicted) and suddenly Muslims are all f*cking evil.

Yeah, because trampling on human rights and intolerance weren't the daily fare there before, hm?
I admit that the US did a bad job when they just supplied weapons etc, they shouldn't have left the countries by themselves before the job was done, meaning a stable human-friendly government and economy was built up.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

No it wasn't. Just when Islamic countries are becoming more secular which I think is something you'd want you guys claim there is an evil dictator hurting its people and then start bombing the f*ck out of it and supporting rebels.

Terrorist recruiters use the interventions of the western world as propaganda for their cause even though you guys keep doing such a great job of saving the middle east every time you intervene.

At least 100 000s of thousands of lives lost because apparently WMDs were in Iraq, which they weren't. U.S: Yeah, sorry.

Arab springs movement were supported by the U.S for 'democracy' but just turned into civil wars where the West supplied weapons. A f_cked up rebel group pops up (which was predicted) and suddenly Muslims are all f*cking evil.

The region was shit but had good signs and then went to as low as it could get when nations intervened.

The region was in its prime. I wonder where the Ottoman Empire went. *shrug*

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Yeah, because trampling on human rights and intolerance weren't the daily fare there before, hm?

It was bad but if you think what was going then has anything on what is going on now you are dead wrong.

Like I said it was shit but it was becoming more secular. Just to be clear I don't agree with killing gays and trampling on human rights but that shit is not solved with war. Stability is more important as you can clearly see.

EDIT to your edit: Bad job? Understatement of the year. The job shouldn't even have been attempted. It's like a mechanic blowing up your new car when your paint is scratched. Do hundreds of thousands of lives mean little to you?

 

[Hawker]

No it wasn't. Just when Islamic countries are becoming more secular which I think is something you'd want you guys claim there is an evil dictator hurting its people and then start bombing the f*ck out of it and supporting rebels.

Terrorist recruiters use the interventions of the western world as propaganda for their cause even though you guys keep doing such a great job of saving the middle east every time you intervene.

At least 100 000s of thousands of lives lost because apparently WMDs were in Iraq, which they weren't. U.S: Yeah, sorry.

Arab springs movement were supported by the U.S for 'democracy' but just turned into civil wars where the West supplied weapons. A f_cked up rebel group pops up (which was predicted) and suddenly Muslims are all f*cking evil.

The region was shit but had good signs and then went to as low as it could get when nations intervened.

Bolded: Say whaaaat?

And do you really want me to start listing you conflicts from the past three decades in Islamic countries?

It's true that U.S meddled in the affairs of Syria, but let's not kid ourselves. The countries were shit before it too.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Bolded: Say whaaaat?

And do you really want me to start listing you conflicts from the past three decades in Islamic countries?

It's true that U.S meddled in the affairs of Syria, but let's not kid ourselves. The countries were shit before it too.

They are becoming more secular but that goes down the drain when people are in more favor of revolutions than security and stability.

Syria was not what I was only referring to. Also, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Libya.

Just because they were 'shit' does not justify making it worse.


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Do you think Interventions only started 2 years ago?

 

[Hawker]

They are becoming more secular but that goes down the drain when people are in more favor of revolutions than security.

Syria was not what I was only referring to. Also, Iraq.

Just because they were 'shit' does not justify making it worse.

Do you think Interventions only started 2 years ago?

With that I can agree with. What kind of changes there has been that would indicate moving towards secularism in the past five years?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

With that I can agree with. What kind of changes there has been that would indicate moving towards secularism in the past five years?

I edited my post.

What do you think Syria is like before the civil war? Afghanistan?

 

[Hawker]

I edited my post.

Yeah, I've seen those pictures before. It was really surprising to see that that has been the case. Look at Afghanistan now. It's one of the worst shitholes on Earth.

But you were referring to Syria and other Islamic countries. How were they changing to towards secularism? They are in the end Islamic countries, and Quran is a part of their law, so what exactly did change/would've changed?

 

[DominiqueX]

It was bad but if you think what was going then has anything on what is going on now you are dead wrong.

Like I said it was shit but it was becoming more secular. Just to be clear I don't agree with killing gays and trampling on human rights but that shit is not solved with war. Stability is more important as you can clearly see.

EDIT to your edit: Bad job? Understatement of the year. The job shouldn't even have been attempted. It's like a mechanic blowing up your new car when your paint is scratched. Do hundreds of thousands of lives mean little to you?

I'd rather follow the try-and-error system than not doing anything and just continue to watch how these barbaric governments treat their people, while most of the citizens are fine with it. What should they have done different? Talking does not solve these things, a culture won't change when people just talk and do their insidious hand-shakes in front of a camera.

Of course it is horrible how many people had to die because of this wars, that's not a question. But if humans manage to get over this global crisis and millions if not billions of future-people in the middle east can finally live without being persecuted for their sexuality, their skin-color or belief/non-belief, then I think the end justifies the means even if it sounds harsh.

The number one priority of us humans should be a world where innocent, harmless people can live how they want, in peace and without fear. And any part of the humans that is in the way, either has to change or needs to be removed.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Yeah, I've seen those pictures before. It was really surprising to see that that has been the case. Look at Afghanistan now. It's one of the worst shitholes on Earth.

But you were referring to Syria and other Islamic countries. How were they changing to towards secularism? They are in the end Islamic countries, and Quran is a part of their law, so what exactly did change/would've changed?

Eh, Syria wasn't really as "Islamic" as you think. It was changing for the better. With war, that's gonna all go down hill.

I'm not too informed and a lot of my information about Syria comes from talking to my Syrian Refugee friend.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

I'd rather follow the try-and-error system than not doing anything and just continue to watch how these barbaric governments treat their people, while most of the citizens are fine with it. What should they have done different? Talking does not solve these things, a culture won't change when people just talk and do their insidious hand-shakes in front of a camera.

Of course it is horrible how many people had to die because of this wars, that's not a question. But if humans manage to get over this global crisis and millions if not billions of future-people in the middle east can finally live without being persecuted for their sexuality, their skin-color or belief/non-belief, then I think the end justifies the means even if it sounds harsh.

The number one priority of us humans should be a world where innocent, harmless people can live how they want, in peace and without fear. And any part of the humans that is in the way, either has to change or needs to be removed.

I got to go. I'll reply later and I do have a lot to say to that.

 

[Mori Jin]

I hope you are not serious

Yes as serious as i can be

 

[Yubel]

As Madara said: "We need to have power! No one will listen to weak pups barking!"

On the contrary, we have all the power. We're just too stupid to do anything.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Yes as serious as i can be

lol is that what Muslims tell to themselfs so they don't have to take responsibility for what their "brothers" are doing all around the world

 

[Mori Jin]

lol is that what Muslims tell to themselfs so they don't have to take responsibility for what their "brothers" are doing all around the world

Wasn't it you're "brother" who killed 11 million Jews?

 

[Hawker]

Wasn't it you're "brother" who killed 11 million Jews?

*your
*6 million

Apparently in your mind skin colour is the same as ideology.