[VS] SH's vs Jack

[chopstickchakra]

I'm not sure what you mean by "Franky has shogun", though I am aware that Franky can use lasers beams. Let's be honest, Franky is not hitting Jack with a beam.



Jack's crew was easily defeated by the mink tribe, it was after the fact that Jack decided to step in. Jack fought for five days and five nights straight without taking a break. It is clear that Jack has an outstanding endurance.

Ace did not fight characters on the level of Inu and Neko for five days. :|

Luffy has never had a fight last more than a few hours, how is he going to defeat a character that is presumably stronger than Doffy?

Shogun Franky, that's his giant mech suit. That thing should give him pretty impressive durability.

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And why exactly do you think Franky would be unable to hit a giant Mammoth with a laser travelling at light speed(Nothing has hinted the Pacifista's and by extension Franky's lasers are any slower than Kizaru's) Jack has shown no speed feats yet to even indicate he's fast let alone that fast.


I agree with Riker about the Jinbei point the guy was a shichibukai and in lvl 6 ID for a reason.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Shogun Franky, that's his giant mech suit. That thing should give him pretty impressive durability.

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And why exactly do you think Franky would be unable to hit a giant Mammoth with a laser travelling at light speed(Nothing has hinted the Pacifista's and by extension Franky's lasers are any slower than Kizaru's) Jack has shown no speed feats yet to even indicate he's fast let alone that fast.


I agree with Riker about the Jinbei point the guy was a shichibukai and in lvl 6 ID for a reason.

1. The Pacifista beams don't travel at light speed. Zoro dodged one pre-timeskip after getting beaten the **** up by Oars and taking Kuma's island-sized attack.

2. Baby 5 cut through Franky's Shogun it ain't nothing really.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Are you sure? Because I do not remember it going like this at all.

I doubt Inu and Neko are far above Jinbei.


You really think Oda is gonna draw a fight that lasts for five days? You really think that? For one fight?

1. The Pacifista beams don't travel at light speed. Zoro dodged one pre-timeskip after getting beaten the **** up by Oars and taking Kuma's island-sized attack.

2. Baby 5 cut through Franky's Shogun it ain't nothing really.

Why not time is relative to the events shown really, he could make 1 chapter cover a 5 day fight or make 6 chapters cover a 9 hour fight in greater detail. You could conservatively depict each day of fighting in 20 or so panels roughly 5-7 panels a page that's like 3-4 pages per day of fight. Sure it won't be as detailed as a great fight would be but it's not impossible. Even if you gave them 7 pages per day that's a lot of space to fill out. Idk that's just my take on that.

1. Are we really sure about that? They are light right? How would they go about being light yet not traveling at light speed? I get your point about being dodged but that doesn't really prove how fast they're moving because manga characters can have light speed reactions. Granted we wouldn't be able to see them if they were traveling at light speed but again this is fiction scientific logic doesn't always work.

2. I don't remember that I'll have to check in. So Jack could theoretically pierce his Shogun then. It'll still help him take some of the hits. A wooden shield is still better than your hand even if it can be cut easily.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Are you sure? Because I do not remember it going like this at all.

I am most certain. :lol

I doubt Inu and Neko are far above Jinbei.

Newly introduced characters that have a significant role in the overall story of the series only get stronger as the Straw-hats advance in the NW; Inu and Neko should be stronger than Jinbe.

You really think Oda is gonna draw a fight that lasts for five days? You really think that? For one fight?

No, Oda will not draw a fight that lasts for 5 days, which is why Luffy or Zoro (Whom ever may defeat Jack) has to be significantly stronger.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I am most certain. :lol

Newly introduced characters that have a significant role in the overall story of the series only get stronger as the Straw-hats advance in the NW; Inu and Neko should be stronger than Jinbe.

Momoshiki is stronger than Jinbe confirmed.

 

[loj]

What happened to comments?

 

[Insidious Smile]

Shogun Franky, that's his giant mech suit. That thing should give him pretty impressive durability.

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And why exactly do you think Franky would be unable to hit a giant Mammoth with a laser travelling at light speed(Nothing has hinted the Pacifista's and by extension Franky's lasers are any slower than Kizaru's) Jack has shown no speed feats yet to even indicate he's fast let alone that fast.


I agree with Riker about the Jinbei point the guy was a shichibukai and in lvl 6 ID for a reason.

Inu and Neko are far stronger than Jimbe as far as I am concerned. Jimbe is a random, vagabond Fish-man roaming the world, while Inu and Neko are guardians of Zou.

Oh, right. I could never remember the exact name of Franky's mechanical suit.

Assume Franky pierces Jack with a laser, what then? You think Jack will allow Franky to continuously pierce him with lasers? No. :lol

Momoshiki is stronger than Jinbe confirmed.

Who the **** is Momoshiki?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Inu and Neko are far stronger than Jimbe as far as I am concerned. Jimbe is a random, vagabond Fish-man roaming the world, while Inu and Neko are guardians of Zou.

I guess they're also stronger than Shanks, who's just a vagabond human roaming the world. Jinbei is also far from random, btw, he has a sharp presence in the pirating world and Sengoku was genuinely disappointed he wouldn't aid the WG at Marineford.

Who the **** is Momoshiki?

I meant Mononosuke, I'm even worse at names than Luffy

1. Are we really sure about that? They are light right? How would they go about being light yet not traveling at light speed? I get your point about being dodged but that doesn't really prove how fast they're moving because manga characters can have light speed reactions. Granted we wouldn't be able to see them if they were traveling at light speed but again this is fiction scientific logic doesn't always work.

You're ****ing joking, right? You think preskip, weakened, wounded, can barely move Zoro is faster than the speed of light? Is that why it took Luffy and Law 20 minutes to reach the palace, when light travels at 3.00^8 meters per second?

2. I don't remember that I'll have to check in. So Jack could theoretically pierce his Shogun then. It'll still help him take some of the hits. A wooden shield is still better than your hand even if it can be cut easily.

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[Insidious Smile]

I guess they're also stronger than Shanks, who's just a vagabond human roaming the world. Jinbei is also far from random, btw, he has a sharp presence in the pirating world and Sengoku was genuinely disappointed he wouldn't aid the WG at Marineford.

I won't bother addressing the first part of your comment because you know exactly what I mean.

Do you believe Jimbei is as strong as Neko or Inu? Do you believe Jimbei would have been able to fend off Jack for 12 hours? If Jimbe can fight Jack on equal ground then it means he is at least as strong as Luffy, which is unlikely.

Part of Jimbe's fame is attributed to the fact that he was a member of the Sun Pirates.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I won't bother addressing the first part of your comment because you know exactly what I mean.

Do you believe Jimbei is as strong as Neko or Inu?

Yes.

Do you believe Jimbei would have been able to fend off Jack for 12 hours? If Jimbe can fight Jack on equal ground then it means he is at least as strong as Luffy, which is unlikely.

If he had the Mink army backing him up like Neko and Inu did? Of course

Part of Jimbe's fame is attributed to the fact that he was a member of the Sun Pirates.

Who gives a shit

 

[LBeezy]

The StrawHats??

Bro.. just let Zoro loose on him and enjoy the show.

:bdpf:

 

[chopstickchakra]

Inu and Neko are far stronger than Jimbe as far as I am concerned. Jimbe is a random, vagabond Fish-man roaming the world, while Inu and Neko are guardians of Zou.

Oh, right. I could never remember the exact name of Franky's mechanical suit.

Assume Franky pierces Jack with a laser, what then? You think Jack will allow Franky to continuously pierce him with lasers? No. :lol

I'm not on board with that whole they're new they're stronger idea. Foxy was newer and stole crewmates but he wasn't stronger than Crocodile. Lucci wasn't stronger than Enel(well maybe but he'd never have been able to beat him at EL point in story) Just because a villain comes later and even plays a big role doesn't make them better than earlier villains. Jinbei was on lvl 6 ID and a Shichibukai, Inu and Neku are just kings of an old country who knew Roger until we see more or hear more about their exploits Jinbei should be a bigger threat.

And IF Franky's lasers pierce him then no he wouldn't ignore him he'd focus on the lasers opening himself up to Luffy,Zoro,Sanji,Usopps long range attacks, Nami's weather eggs and Robin's ranged attacks. Soooo it'd be a big help.

I guess they're also stronger than Shanks, who's just a vagabond human roaming the world. Jinbei is also far from random, btw, he has a sharp presence in the pirating world and Sengoku was genuinely disappointed he wouldn't aid the WG at Marineford.





I meant Mononosuke, I'm even worse at names than Luffy


You're ****ing joking, right? You think preskip, weakened, wounded, can barely move Zoro is faster than the speed of light? Is that why it took Luffy and Law 20 minutes to reach the palace, when light travels at 3.00^8 meters per second?

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Guy it's a work of fiction and you're sitting here acting like real world physics must uphold for every occurrence, if the author chooses to do something that's goofy in the eyes of physics then that's what it is. Also reaction speed doesn't equate to movement speed, since you like real world applications in fiction so much most humans have a reaction speed far greater than that of their movement speed.

Though to be perfectly honest I don't remember the seen that well and I'm sure his whole body move to dodge it not just his head. But still you're taking it way too serious and you completely ignored how is something supposedly comprised of light not moving at lightspeed? Ignore all the other questions you like to pretend were asked like people's movements and how is something that is light not moving at light speed?

 

[MickNerks]

The StrawHats take it.

1. Of course, the Monster Trio would do damage jack.

2. You also have to add the additional damage Monster Chopper, Franky the Shogun, and Nico Robin will add.

3. And then you have to consider that Nami is a weather sorceress who can manipulate the elements, usopp can snipe from afar with deadly accuraccy, and brook still has unseen powers of hell.

The strawhats seriously could have done the same amount of damage to Zou as Jack.

 

[-Akuma-]

Doesn't matter considering if it goes the way i think it'd go, the Zou power configuration would be

Zou Luffy >= Doflamingo >= Dressrosa Luffy ~ Zou Law >= Zoro > Dressrosa Law

Not only Luffy wasn't healthy when he faced Doflamingo, but he especially grew stronger from Dressrosa. Pretty certain he may even show stronger attacks than King Kong Gun

Bogard. You a good poster and all....But what the **** is this. When did Law and Luffy get stronger? And when did Zoro become stronger than Law on Dressrosa?

 

[ToshiZO]

Bogard. You a good poster and all....But what the **** is this. When did Law and Luffy get stronger? And when did Zoro become stronger than Law on Dressrosa?

Law and Luffy getting stronger is plausible, since they were pushed to the limit. Luffy can probably last longer in G4 now.

Zoro getting stronger though makes as much sense as Sanji getting stronger from his Fishman Island self.

 

[-Akuma-]

Law and Luffy getting stronger is plausible, since they were pushed to the limit. Luffy can probably last longer in G4 now.

Zoro getting stronger though makes as much sense as Sanji getting stronger from his Fishman Island self.

Eh but to say they have before the have even fought is jumping the gun. As for Zoro my problem is when did he become stronger than Law in dressrosa?

 

[chopstickchakra]

Law and Luffy getting stronger is plausible, since they were pushed to the limit. Luffy can probably last longer in G4 now.

Zoro getting stronger though makes as much sense as Sanji getting stronger from his Fishman Island self.

What is this Dragon Ball Z now, have a difficult all out fight and survive and you just get stronger because? Luffy may get stronger by the end of Zou but there is no reason there should be any increase between the end of DR and now.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

What is this Dragon Ball Z now, have a difficult all out fight and survive and you just get stronger because? Luffy may get stronger by the end of Zou but there is no reason there should be any increase between the end of DR and now.

He could very well be hiding some high end moves he didn't dare to use or were impractical.. Like a G4 gattling for example. I see no reason why not. Then there is the thing when Rayleigh mentioned he should find somethign other than G4 because it's risks and downsides were too many. Just speculation tho
His haki defenitely is stronger now, every time he uses it he learns to control it better. Haki means also willpower, so after each strong opponent his willpower and "confidence" should rise too.. Even though Luffy has plenty of that already.

 

[Bogard]

Bogard. You a good poster and all....But what the **** is this. When did Law and Luffy get stronger? And when did Zoro become stronger than Law on Dressrosa?

I believe that since g4 is still in a stagery step currently and that he has been pushed to his limits, he can last with the mode longer which would give him a great timespan of attacks. His haki has also been pushed to the limits, so it should be better now, all of that making him stronger, and that's discounting the fact we didn't see gatling attacks from g4 yet, which is possible could happen. As for Law, he sacrificed his life span to create large rooms in dressrosa, so by burrying his stamina to this extent, i expect him to be able to last longer with his rooms now.

As for Zoro, i never said he got stronger. Note that i didn't put dressrosa or Zou before Zoro like i did with Luffy or Law, just like i didn't with Doflamingo. That's because i believe their level didn't change. It's just that i think Zoro was already stronger than Law in dressrosa, only that he didn't get the chance to show it. Since he ran through all his opponents more or less without too much problems, he is uncaped at the moment. And i expect his upperlimits(Asura or higher for example) to be shown as extremely powerful and not that far from dressrosa G4 Luffy

 

[ToshiZO]

What is this Dragon Ball Z now, have a difficult all out fight and survive and you just get stronger because? Luffy may get stronger by the end of Zou but there is no reason there should be any increase between the end of DR and now.

Lmao and how do you figure Luffy gets stronger arc by arc? This is nothing new, after a big fight Luffy has always gotten stronger, otherwise he would be sitting in the same spot from East Blue to EL.