Explanation behind Ashura's avatar
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gerizzyYMcrew
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still waiting on scans of kishimoto writing that hagoromo entrusted the tailed beasts to asura and asura being a jinchuriki dispite no jinchuriki being present until after the warring states period or fanfic
Ashura was probably entrusted with the bijuu since he was the leader or whatever title bestowed by hago. Although ashura being a jin is far reaching fanfic.
Ot manifest of chakra is all I can say.
The Avatar is proof enough. Kishimoto expected his readers to be smart as Naruto is reliving the same strife in the same manner. Alas, this is not the case.
What? The Sage was the first Jin. It says right there on that image.
gerizzyYMcrew
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absense of evidence...also I meant jinchuriki of the 9 tailed beasts...not the ten tails
Ashura's avatar was created with his own powers. He wan't a jin nor did he use the tail beast power/chakra. The best way to understand his powers and ability is to look at this brother's power and ability. Indra possess the MS/EMS not the rinnegan. I believe Ashura had SM not RSM. He just had an OP SM because of his OP body power just like Indra had an OP MS/EMS because of his OP eye power. RSM rivals the rinnegan. SM rivals the MS/EMS.
Remember, they are Sage's sons so they received their power directly from their father. There power wouldn't be tainted or watered down.
The manga greatly implies that the lightning arrow jutsu Sasuke used -
Since that's true for him than the same could and most likely does apply to Ashura. Meaning, he should be able to perform jutsu/ability Naruto needs the RSM and/or tail beast to perform. That makes perfect sense and would explain to us why Ashura possess avatar mode -
Remember, they are Sage's sons so they received their power directly from their father. There power wouldn't be tainted or watered down.
The manga greatly implies that the lightning arrow jutsu Sasuke used -
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- against Naruto is a jutsu Indra possess. If that's true then that mean Indra is able to perform jutsu/ability that Sasuke need the sharingan (gives him the ability to perform susanoo), rinnegan (gives him the ability to control the tail beast, take their chakra, and combine it together), and tail beast (their chakra powered up the jutsu) to perform. Since that's true for him than the same could and most likely does apply to Ashura. Meaning, he should be able to perform jutsu/ability Naruto needs the RSM and/or tail beast to perform. That makes perfect sense and would explain to us why Ashura possess avatar mode -
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- even though he wasn't a jinchuuriki, it looks similar to Naruto's, he could fly, and he possess jutsu to appears to be either the TSB or TBB.
ashura's avatar doesn't look like a bm nor does naruto's bcm and bm resemble any other bcm or bm
ashura inherited the sage's life-force and physical energies
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naruto's seal is designed for naruto's chakra to combine with kurama's yang chakra,if he doesn't filter out kurama's hatred from his mind he starts to turn into kurama
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bijuus definitely didn't help ashura because of the prophecy about naruto and the bijuus
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Chaosmark101
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Shelke you trolling right now bro? You know that's just the name everyone here refers the merged 3 Kurama avatars as.
You do realize that Bijuus were young then, right? The manifestation of Tailed Beast (Kurama in this case) mirrors the bodily form of the beast. Why would it completely look like Naruto's? Look at the head of the avatar Ashura used; it looks like a youngling's head.
What is that history lesson adding to this?
No, he simply filtered out his "evil intent or will." It's STILL Kurama's chakra. Every last bit of it. That "lifeforce" argument of yours cannot be put out of context. The fact that all Kurama users put up the nearly same looking avatar (something I brought up in my thread long ago) further proves the fact that Ashura was Kurama's host; something that is near to the ten-tails and acts as a great container for the chakra of other tailed-beasts; an excellent relay point. Why do other hosts do not achieve this, when both Yagura and Killer Bee were also perfect Jins?
Really, is that what the scan says? The Sage outright states that "because of all that you have done, is the reason why Ashura chose you." And "all that" would be what? That's right, cooperation, Bijuu chakra hoarding and all the trials or free passes Naruto went through. The Sage literally created an analogical statement; Naruto is similar because he did all what Ashura did in the past, which makes him an apt host for his Chakra or life-force.
All of that is nothing but outlandish speculation from your part when the guy never had the Sage's strong chakra genes aka the Bijuu chakra inheritence. Whatever he developed wasn't this; Bijuu yang chakra or whatever is it that you are alluding to. No so-called fact points out to this.
Are you? It's BM avatar with clones merged together. Common sense tells me that just because clones are made, it doesn't mean the thing stops being that thing and becomes something else.
I don't care what anyone states. Ashura's Avatar doesn't exist.
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Chaosmark101
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Just saying it seems kinda silly to argue the name/what it really as after all this time since people coined it "Ashura avatar" already.
People can coin whatever they want; it isn't canon manga nor does it make it canon-manga. It's simply BM Avatar with merging of two clones. It's BM avatar for all intents and purposes.
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Well there isn't any arguing that it's not a Kyuubi avatar. So your right that it shouldn't be referred to as Ashura Avatar. I most likely however am going refer to it as the "Asura Kyubi Avatar" from now on, given the resemblance to the Asura's the demigods of hindu mythology.
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Chaosmark101
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From the point of mystic philosophy? Yes. From the perspective of religion as a whole? Not that much. I only know the basics. This might change in a few days, as I need to read a few books on Japanese culture and religion for my project.
Ashura & Indra were/is direct descendants of Hogoromo so their chakra potency is far beyond anything a transmigrant can conjure up. The fact that Ashura & Indra had the abilities they had at a lower level than Naruto & Sasuke who had RSM & EMS/Rinnegan should prove that fact to many.
It's never stated that Ashura was a jin but the fact that HE IS direct descendant of Hogoromo means that he nor his brother had to go through the thing any migrant went through to get the same outcome.
Indra-EMS and had PS showing that difference in potency of chakra. I'd say Ninshuu
Ashura-A form of RSM and bijuu avatar showing that difference in potency of chakra. I'd say ninshuu.
It's never stated that Ashura was a jin but the fact that HE IS direct descendant of Hogoromo means that he nor his brother had to go through the thing any migrant went through to get the same outcome.
Indra-EMS and had PS showing that difference in potency of chakra. I'd say Ninshuu
Ashura-A form of RSM and bijuu avatar showing that difference in potency of chakra. I'd say ninshuu.
Chaosmark101
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Very cool, I've always been pretty interested in reading their philosophy and beliefs on Reincarnation. Not sure about practicing it either, but it sounds like some good knowledge too pick up.
Viz clearly states that ashuras bodily chakra bloomed within him and that he gained the same power as his brother
Hashi is ashuras reincarnation and he doesn't need help from a bijuu to battle madara,madara used kurama against him
And the point is is that Indra didn't need to train for his powers to awaken while ashura did
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