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Is this proof enough? If Hashirama wanted he could've wiped out the entire uchiha at the time instead he made peace with Madara. The uchiaha's survived on Senju's mercy.
The Uchiha clan were nerfed hard
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Is this proof enough? If Hashirama wanted he could've wiped out the entire uchiha at the time instead he made peace with Madara. The uchiaha's survived on Senju's mercy.
Actually yeah, it was true the Uchiha during the warring state period were inferior to the Senju. This was because they hadn't unlocked the further stages of the Sharingan. Madara had unlocked EMS right after the Hashirama, and Tobirama defeated the him, and Izuna in their war of two clans.
If every Uchiha had unlocked EMS or even 3T - MS they'd have beaten the Senju. Think about it, the Uchiha were nerfed. The Senju is a dull clan, with nothing, but high chakra reserves, while the Uchiha possessed the Sharingan.
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Why does nobody on this forum these days understand what the word 'nerf' means
*looks at username* oh. oh okay.
*looks at username* oh. oh okay.
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Same could be said of the senju, if every senju had unlocked the mokuton abilities the senju's would've again come on top. The point is not every uchiha was capable of awakening the MS or EMS, just like Mokuton was a Hashirma only ability. You're making a useless and biased point here.
There is a reason only few unlocked MS, Even during their war period with the senju.
I doubt unlocking the sharingan gives automatic ability to gain MS. All uchiha, Even ones who actually had the sharingan/3tomoe during the warring period experienced Pain of loss, Intense emotions and so on, Yet never gained it MS.
Not all uchiha posses the ability to get the sharingan, Same goes for MS. Your giving them potential they never had to begin with. Otherwise during a warring period emotions are always at an all time high, thus more members would of and should of have MS if all it took was intense emotions of any random who had 1-3tomoe.
Then it just goes to show the ability of the senju clan members. There was obviously more to them than meets the eye.
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Lol what? You cannot be serious. Hashirama is the only Senju to date to possess Mokuton it's completely GENETIC. Every Uchiha can acquire MS, and some who had siblings could acquire EMS.
The only requirement to unlock MS is to have a Sharingan, and meeting the requirements for it. You're the one making useless, and stupid points. Now shut up, and let Exaar, and I talk.
If you're going to try, and make shit up, at least do it with some type of manga panels on your side.
I disagree. All Uchiha's had the potential to unlock MS. Similar to how all Uchiha had the potential to unlock the Sharingan. The Sharingan wasn't due to talent, but due to hardwork.
This is why some Uchiha unlock their Sharingan early in life, or later in life through their own efforts. Itachi for example. He trained everyday, consistently, and preferred quality to quantity; hence why he unlocked his Sharingan at such an early age.
All in all, the manga does not depict that only a certain amount of Uchiha have the capabilities to unlock Sharingan or MS.
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Well then how many uchiha did manage to obtain the MS or EMS in one generation. And no need to be rude just cause your butt hurts. Everybody is free to post there opinions and counter opinions. I thought you understood that considering you've been here since 2012.
Still if you have no counter to my opinions you're free to add me to your ignore list and I won't bother you again.
Lol I'm not mad man. And that's information we do not know, as Kishimoto never went in dept about the Uchiha Clan's other members in general. But saying the Uchiha Clan members can only unlock Sharingan, MS, or EMS is based off of their individual potential is wrong.
All Uchiha Clan members have the capability to unlock any, and every stage of the Sharingan.
Why would I put you on ignore? Lol it's like the base has gotten soft or something. Just because I'm a bit aggressive while arguing doesn't mean I'm "butthurt", or "mad".
Lol, and you can't counter opinions. They are opinions after all.
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I agree that it may be possible for every member to unlock the MS or EMS. But the fact remains, very few actually managed to to do so and again the fact that not all of them were able to awaken it does not mean the uchiha's were nerfed. Its like saying that china can defeat the USA if they had the resources and techonlogy on par with the US. But the fact is they don't have the resources and technology right now to do so.
Agreed. But its not that simple, otherwise every uchiha would have had it. But they didn't or couldn't and that's the fact. That was there limit. They were not nerfed, that was simply their limit.
Glad to know you think that way..
. Well this is me trying to counter them regardless.
It depends on your viewpoint. I see it was a nerf to the Uchiha because the Senju were acclaimed the strongest Clan, due to ignorance, and having fortunate luck to not have fought against a peaked version of the Uchiha. It's like this basically:I agree that it may be possible for every member to unlock the MS or EMS. But the fact remains, very few actually managed to to do so and again the fact that not all of them were able to awaken it does not mean the uchiha's were nerfed. Its like saying that china can defeat the USA if they had the resources and techonlogy on par with the US. But the fact is they don't have the resources and technology right now to do so.
Agreed. But its not that simple, otherwise every uchiha would have had it. But they didn't or couldn't and that's the fact. That was there limit. They were not nerfed, that was simply their limit.
Glad to know you think that way..
Well this is me trying to counter them regardless.
The Senju are essentially in their peaks being as they know: x amount of elements, have large chakra reserves, and are skilled within several of the xxxjutsu (nin/tai/gen etc) categories.
While the Uchiha possessed at the time: x amount of elements, and powerful chakra. No doubt many of the Uchiha members were skilled within the xxxjutsu categories, but that still wouldn't make up for their disadvantage against the Senju.
If the Senju had fought against Uchiha who had reached their peaked Sharingans then it'd be a different outcome, and the Uchiha would've been the ones held as the strongest clan, rather than the Senju, and they would've won the war of the warring states period.
Doesn't this make the Senju's ability to fight them off and avoid defeat even greater then?.
Since it is fact the sharingan ties into emotions, This means during the warring state almost all the combat oriented uchiha has their sharingan's. Meaning the uchiha clan as a whole was at it's strongest during this time. Yet still could not put down the senju.
Now assuming all uchiha also have the ability to use MS, Then alot of them should of had MS and it shouldn't of been really that rare at all because as i said, They were at war and at a constant state of high emotions from losing friends, Mothers, Fathers, Sons, Daughters and so on. yet MS was still an unknown for most of the clan. which brings me to believe it isn't a given.
Well according to sasuke this was the case.
From the Viz
"The sharingan eye is... supposed to be unique to only a small number of the uchiha clan". Now you could argue that this is the case because they are now part of the village their potential was locked away.
But lets say that statement is wrong due the the clan locking away it's potential, that still doesn't explain why so little unlocked MS during their wars with the Senju, which should of been pretty common considering the emotions involved with being at constant war and even getting to the point children were being used.
