old Hiruzen vs 4 tailed Naruto

[Tantalus Thief]

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S1: TBB restricted
S2: No restrictions, Naruto can't get more tails in this fight regardless of scenario.

 

[Eng nawashi]

Naruto stomps both scenarios.

 

[Curse Mark]

Does he have access to edo feats? 5 shadow clone elements could definitely pressure Naruto if not take him out.

5 Lightning combining like Gian should pierce cloak, or 3 fire and 2 find should do some serious damage. etc. etc.

 

[EZQ]

Naruto counters elemental blast with TBB. My vote goes to Nardo.

 

[Curse Mark]

Naruto counters elemental blast with TBB. My vote goes to Nardo.

Not in S1 he doesn't.

 

[KidGamer65]

Hiruzen loses to Bijuu Dama in S2 but practically demolishes KN4 in S1. Enma gives him the advantage in CQC, and all other ranges of combat are dominated by him due to his elemental attacks.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Hiruzen loses to Bijuu Dama in S2 but practically demolishes KN4 in S1. Enma gives him the advantage in CQC, and all other ranges of combat are dominated by him due to his elemental attacks.

You dont think Konoha ninjutsu can benefit him in countering Buiju Dama? I can see earth style being used to lower the ground, underneath V2 forcing the bomb to set off from a wall he is closed in. Of course he will have to be away from the blast range too. Or dropping s lid on him, forcing the explosion to set itself.

Or he could simply slap his face with Emna extension pole, to redirect the blast

 

[NarutoX28]

Well, depends on distance. If the distance is merely 5-10m, Hiruzen likely gets blitzed from the get-go though I guess that depends on whether or not he summons Emna.

 

[Curse Mark]

You dont think Konoha ninjutsu can benefit him in countering Buiju Dama? I can see earth style being used to lower the ground, underneath V2 forcing the bomb to set off from a wall he is closed in. Of course he will have to be away from the blast range too. Or dropping s lid on him, forcing the explosion to set itself.

Or he could simply slap his face with Emna extension pole, to redirect the blast

Thats true.

Well, depends on distance. If the distance is merely 5-10m, Hiruzen likely gets blitzed from the get-go though I guess that depends on whether or not he summons Emna.

You think he could get through Enma cage with arm swipes?

 

[NarutoX28]

Thats true.




You think he could get through Enma cage with arm swipes?

Depends. KN4 Naruto's Shockwaves could blow him away, but that might be a big maybe .

 

[EZQ]

Hiruzen loses to Bijuu Dama in S2 but practically demolishes KN4 in S1. Enma gives him the advantage in CQC, and all other ranges of combat are dominated by him due to his elemental attacks.

How do you think he pierces the v2 shroud?

And in CQC Hiruzen runs a risk since Naruto can grow body parts form nowhere (chakra made). One of those is a k,o for hiruzen definitely

 

[KidGamer65]

How do you think he pierces the v2 shroud?

And in CQC Hiruzen runs a risk since Naruto can grow body parts form nowhere (chakra made). One of those is a k,o for hiruzen definitely

Multiple hits from his elemental blasts get through the shroud. In terms of reacting Orochimaru had no issue dealing with the chakra arms. The only issue is that he couldn't defend against them or overpower them. Hiruzen can with Enma. Hiruzen also casually overwhelmed Orochimaru in CQC during their match in Part 1 so there's no way he gets blitzed by anything of KN4's.

You dont think Konoha ninjutsu can benefit him in countering Buiju Dama? I can see earth style being used to lower the ground, underneath V2 forcing the bomb to set off from a wall he is closed in. Of course he will have to be away from the blast range too. Or dropping s lid on him, forcing the explosion to set itself.

Or he could simply slap his face with Emna extension pole, to redirect the blast

I honestly didn't take Konoha Ninjutsu into account, with that then he definitely counters Bijuu Dama. Enma is also a good strategy as long as he reacts as soon as he sees BD charging.

 

[Curse Mark]

Depends. KN4 Naruto's Shockwaves could blow him away, but that might be a big maybe .

He could possibly anchor it by putting the poles into the earth.

 

[NarutoX28]

He could possibly anchor it by putting the poles into the earth.

That's actually a good point, but all I can see is Hiruzen playing defensively here. I can't see him doing anything offensively as he doesn't have the agility needed to do so.

 

[Beans2]

Enma pole subdues him like the sword of kusanagi did.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Are people forgetting this is old Hiruzen? Since when could he make clones and then use elements in the same fashion he could while he was an Edo? Enma subdues him like Orochimaru did with Kusanagi blade L0l? That blade dragged him around the ground and was then thrown away to the side like nothing(

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) Hiruzen gets recked with or without TBB's.

 

[DrProof]

Are people forgetting this is old Hiruzen? Since when could he make clones and then use elements in the same fashion he could while he was an Edo? Enma subdues him like Orochimaru did with Kusanagi blade L0l? That blade dragged him around the ground and was then thrown away to the side like nothing(

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) Hiruzen gets recked with or without TBB's.

This.

 

[KidGamer65]

Are people forgetting this is old Hiruzen? Since when could he make clones and then use elements in the same fashion he could while he was an Edo? Enma subdues him like Orochimaru did with Kusanagi blade L0l? That blade dragged him around the ground and was then thrown away to the side like nothing(

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) Hiruzen gets recked with or without TBB's.

Wtf are you talking about? Who ever mentioned anything about clones? Hiruzen doesnt need to clone himself to fight and defeat KN4.

 

[DrProof]

Wtf are you talking about? Who ever mentioned anything about clones? Hiruzen doesnt need to clone himself to fight and defeat KN4.

You truly believe Old Hiruzen could defeat KN4 Naruto. Enlighten me.

Not only does KN4 have the advantage in CQC due to the unpredictability of his Chakra Cloak, his raw speed is vastly superior to Old Hiruzen. Seems like everyone's overrating Old Hiruzen, and especially Enma.

 

[MickNerks]

I may be wrong, but couldn't Hiruzen simply win this by using the five element seal on naruto and sealing off the nine tails chakra like orochimaru did??

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