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Sharingan is Dojutsu, not Ninjutsu. Stronger chakra doesn't change how fast you track something nor would there be a reason for it to do so, and if the cloak is why his tracking improved then it would've been at the level needed to hit Juubito from the start, he wouldn't have had to adjust to his speed.

Kamui isn't a reaction. Kamui is automatic so no you don't have a point. FRS was thrown, and Obito didn't react at all. Please don't try and drag an argument insinuating that Cloaked Lee can do what Lightened v2 Ay was needed to do.

Bold makes zero sense because I'm not claiming that his reactions would be the same.

-Was there a boost in his tracking?

Yes.

Thus his reactions get faster than that, thus he reacts faster than KCM Naruto. Not that hard a concept to grasp. I ignored your request because it's irrelevant to the argument at hand. I've already shown that a Sasuke w/o matured tracking can match KCM Naruto so it doesn't take a genius to figure out who reacts faster when Sasuke's tracking has matured.
Are you serious right now? A Doujutsu is a type of ninjutsu, I guess sealing jutsu arnt ninjutsu now either. Stronger chakra increases the strength of his eyes and in turn it's derived abilities. It has every reason to increase its tracking, quit trying to play stupid.

Yet he has to have it active, which he doesn't at all times. Your opinion on Madara is irrelevant, it happened in the manga. What you think doesn't discredit the feat, so actually bring some proof or this is a conceded argument.

Your gonna need feats. The only time he showed superior tracking was with the cloak, which only proves my point.
 

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Are you serious right now? A Doujutsu is a type of ninjutsu, I guess sealing jutsu arnt ninjutsu now either. Stronger chakra increases the strength of his eyes and in turn it's derived abilities. It has every reason to increase its tracking, quit trying to play stupid
Irrelevant as I've already addressed this.

and if the cloak is why his tracking improved then it would've been at the level needed to hit Juubito from the start, he wouldn't have had to adjust to his speed.
We can cut the bullshit now kiddo. Too early in the morning for this.

Yet he has to have it active, which he doesn't at all times. Your opinion on Madara is irrelevant, it happened in the manga. What you think doesn't discredit the feat, so actually bring some proof or this is a conceded argument.
Then I'll wait for you to actually prove that he either didn't have it active, or that he waited till FRS was thrown to active it.

There is no feat to discredit. You think it was a blitz even though Lee factually doesn't move fast enough to blitz someone who can react to V2 Ay. Now, let's continue to talk about your painfully idiotic logic. FRS and Lee departed at the same time, and reached Madara/Obito at the same time. Thus FRS was moving just as fast as Rock Lee does there. FRS doesn't move faster than V2 Ay.

-Pain dodged it.
-Susanoo Arrow a larger one in speed.
-Ay III dodged it twice in a row.

Inb4 you try to argue that FRS>>V2 Ay in speed, which honestly wouldn't surprise me at this point. :lmao: Read the damn Manga pls.



Your gonna need feats. The only time he showed superior tracking was with the cloak, which only proves my point.
Except I don't. If you want to attempt to waste my time with the idiotic denial of anything that's not a tangible manga panel despite it being 100% fact then please stop replying to me now. Life is too short to be arguing with inept children, or at least people with the critical thinking abilities of a child.
 

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Irrelevant as I've already addressed this.
No you havnt, you don't have a counter. You havnt evem provided argument other than "Sharingan isnt a Ninjutsu". Which i shouldnt have to explain how fucking stupid that sounds

Ill accept your concession though.



We can cut the bullshit now kiddo. Too early in the morning for this.
Dont know where you got this from. Wasn't even in my post.



Then I'll wait for you to actually prove that he either didn't have it active, or that he waited till FRS was thrown to active it.

There is no feat to discredit. You think it was a blitz even though Lee factually doesn't move fast enough to blitz someone who can react to V2 Ay. Now, let's continue to talk about your painfully idiotic logic. FRS and Lee departed at the same time, and reached Madara/Obito at the same time. Thus FRS was moving just as fast as Rock Lee does there. FRS doesn't move faster than V2 Ay.

-Pain dodged it.
-Susanoo Arrow a larger one in speed.
-Ay III dodged it twice in a row.

Inb4 you try to argue that FRS>>V2 Ay in speed, which honestly wouldn't surprise me at this point. :lmao: Read the damn Manga pls.
Except all this irrelevant. Your argument is that Madara let himself be nlitzed, which has no grounds. Forget Obito and FRS, I don't even know why your holding on to this point when it has nothing to do with Madara.

Lee blitzed him in the manga. I could care less about your opinion.




Except I don't. If you want to attempt to waste my time with the idiotic denial of anything that's not a tangible manga panel despite it being 100% fact then please stop replying to me now. Life is too short to be arguing with inept children, or at least people with the critical thinking abilities of a child.
Except you do. You need to provide evidence that his tracking improved before he got the cloak, as Kurama's chakra boosted the power of Sasuke's eyes, and thus the his precog and other related abilities

Go ahead and rage quit this argument like you did the last one. You'll keep holding these L's.
 
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So lee who is fast as FRS can blitz madara [ ] :| By that logic madara cannot react to Sasuke's Susanoo arrow which was able to catch up with it [ ] :lol despite madara being able to react to FRS before when he was binded by gaara's sand[ ] or countered the arrow with blackrods on Obito's body[ ]

Deva dodged a FRS while dealing with 2 clones at same time [ ][ ]
 
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So lee who is fast as FRS can blitz madara [ ] :| By that logic madara cannot react to Sasuke's Susanoo arrow which was able to catch up with it [ ] :lol despite madara being able to react to FRS before when he was binded by gaara's sand[ ] or countered the arrow with blackrods on Obito's body[ ]

Deva dodged a FRS while dealing with 2 clones at same time [http://narutobase.net/mb/1/441/p_00007.jpg1]1 ]
Wanna go ahead and provide a reason why he would let himself get hit? Because there isn't one
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Go ahead and try to explain your way out of it

Edit: Sorry, go ahead and thesaurus your way out of this.
 
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The Sharingan is a Ninjutsu as well, it derives its power from chakra. Therfore, related abilities would be powered up as well.
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You Just proved 8 Gates,Chakra Enhanced Strength and Gentle Fist are ninjutsu as they are all chakra dependent
Wanna go ahead and provide a reason why he would let himself get hit? Because there isn't one
Have you seen madara fighting
He took a Jinton straight on Just to demoralise Kages.Played around with them untill he got bored.
Fact is Lee was as fast as FRS which madara should not have problem in dodging but he choose not too
 
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You Just proved 8 Gates,Chakra Enhanced Strength and Gentle Fist are ninjutsu as they are all chakra dependent
Except those arnt comparable to The Sharingan.

Not that it's really all that pertinent to the argument. Sharingan is still chakra dependant, so the point isn't affected by the semantics you guys are trying to argue
 

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Wouldn't gentle fist be nin-tai at least?
Eh no it uses basic chakra in Hand to Hand combat on other hand same as CES and 8 Gates on other hand NinTaijutsu is combition of Ninjutsu and Taijutsu
for example A's raiton armour[ninjutsu] and his fighting techs[taijutsu]

Also by his definition genjutsu would just be a form of ninjutsu, which shouldn't be correct.
agreed
Except those arnt comparable to The Sharingan.

Not that it's really all that pertinent to the argument. Sharingan is still chakra dependant, so the point isn't affected by the semantics you guys are trying to argue
Absolutely not all of them uses chakra

another example as Curse Mark said is Genjutsu which uses chakra too.You can't classify it as Ninjutsu
 

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You Just proved 8 Gates,Chakra Enhanced Strength and Gentle Fist are ninjutsu as they are all chakra dependent


Have you seen madara fighting
He took a Jinton straight on Just to demoralise Kages.Played around with them untill he got bored.
Fact is Lee was as fast as FRS which madara should not have problem in dodging but he choose not too
Except that's just your interpretation of what happen. If Lee blitzed him in the manga then he blitzes him here

Madara's reason for not dodging Jinton was to break the Kages resolve, which has nothing to do with Lee. He had no reason to let Lee hit him, he had every reason to repell him and remain connected to the Juubi

Nothing else really matters on the subject
 

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Wanna go ahead and provide a reason why he would let himself get hit? Because there isn't one
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He was taking hits because he could and was even using it to his advantage as a means to lower the Kages determination.

Go ahead and try to explain your way out of it

Doujutsu is a Jutsu type just as Ninjutsu is a Jutsu type. This is what is written and explained in the Manga and Databook. Putting your baseless speculation aside: If you have canonical evidence against this expose it.
 

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Except that's just your interpretation of what happen. If Lee blitzed him in the manga then he blitzes him here
So according to you Deva Path who was more or less equal to SM Naruto>>>Madara in Speed and reaction>>>War Arc SM naruto in speed
you can be ignorant have this interpretation.I don't care
What's the difference between the chakra in Neji's finger tips and a raiton shroud besides the elemental difference?
The Raiton shroud is classified Ninjutsu while chara on neji's hand is basic chakra used for Ninjutsu,Taijutsu or Genjutsu
 

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He was taking hits because he could and was even using it to his advantage as a means to lower the Kages determination.




Doujutsu is a Jutsu type just as Ninjutsu is a Jutsu type. This is what is written and explained in the Manga and Databook. Putting your baseless speculation aside: If you have canonical evidence against this expose it.
And explain how that applies to Lee? Because there want wasn't a reason to do so there

I'm going to just ignore the bullshit semantics argument from here on out, it doesn't affect the point in anyway. Sharingan uses chakra, this the chakra from the cloak boosted his ocular powers. Which includes Precognition.
 

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So according to you Deva Path who was more or less equal to SM Naruto>>>Madara in Speed and reaction>>>War Arc SM naruto in speed
you can be ignorant have this interpretation.I don't care


The Raiton shroud is classified Ninjutsu while chara on neji's hand is basic chakra used for Ninjutsu,Taijutsu or Genjutsu
Taijutsu doesn't use chakra, it uses stamina.
 

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And explain how that applies to Lee? Because there want wasn't a reason to do so there

I'm going to just ignore the bullshit semantics argument from here on out, it doesn't affect the point in anyway. Sharingan uses chakra, this the chakra from the cloak boosted his ocular powers. Which includes Precognition.
You're making an argument from ignorance by proposing that Madara not stating a reason for allowing lee's attack to succeed must mean that he couldn't react to it despite Madara's abilities, reflexes and Douryoku all having provided sufficient feats of physical achievement to indicate that he would have been capable of reacting to the attack but he didn't, again, because as he himself implied: he was simply taking hits because he could and was even using it to his advantage as a means to lower the Kages determination.


The Sharingan using chakra doesn't mean it's a Ninjutsu. Gai's attacks also use Chakra and they're not Ninjutsu. Absorbing chakra from a chakra source to be fueled into a Jutsu type doesn't prove that "Doujutsu" is a type of "Ninjutsu". Anything else?
 

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Taijutsu doesn't use chakra, it uses stamina.
Hmmmmm

Jyuuken
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Yagai (Night Guy).
Taijutsu, close range, offensive, S-rank.
Users: Maito Guy

Like a young crimson dragon cutting through the space fabric ( kūkan) the ultimate flying-kick!

Maito Guy utilizes the taijutsu move,inherited from his father - “the 8 celestial gates”. To unravel the final dragon mystery you have to open the last ”death gate” and sacrifice your life (poetic,inst it?TN). From the red stream emission (Guy s blood and chakra. TN), in a form of a red burning chakra the great dragon rises, flying out of the ribcage, absolutely unprecedented kick that hits the opponent and beats (turns) him into nothing. It s power is off limits, overturns the knowledge of anything that taijutsu is capable off, it twists and bends the sky (sora) itself on contact, even right side of the body of the strongest ninja Madara was completely destroyed.
Picture: Flying above the heavens the great dragon that holds your life or death (destiny) in his claws!But, Guy easily commits his life and passes his will of fire to the next generation young leafs!
 
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