[VS] Kuzan vs Jack

[OG sama]

Any admiral can defeat any Yonko FM, so Kuzan wins mid-high diff.

 

[ToshiZO]

lmfao obviously Kuzan.

Kuzan vs Kaidou is more of a question than this.

 

[sravan]

kuzan mid diff

 

[KingHashirama]

Aokiji .

 

[KingHashirama]

Kaido will, I honestly hope Jack doesn't I feel he's gotten too much hype for his showing. It'll take a lot more than a 1bil. bounty and fighting 2 minks for 5 days before I see him as big a threat as others make him out to be. Maybe if we see some of his fight with Doffy's escorts or maybe if we see he got Doffy then I'll start to concede but until then I find it hard to believe there's an enemy he could beat Doffy couldn't and I don't believe Jack could beat Doffy either.

If he got Doffy, while Fujitora and Sengoku being there.. thenn thats just overdoing it with Jack.

 

[Bogard]

Kuzan probably high difficulty if he is as strong as i think he is

 

[Gintõki1]

Kuzan mid diff.

 

[chopstickchakra]

If he got Doffy, while Fujitora and Sengoku being there.. thenn thats just overdoing it with Jack.

He wouldn't have had to defeat them and taken Doffy just been fighting them and seen an opening and took Doffy and ran. Just being able to get Doffy out in any manner would be impressive.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Kuzan definitely wins, I feel like the 3 original admirals are strong enough to to beat first mates.

 

[Osmon]

Kaido will, I honestly hope Jack doesn't I feel he's gotten too much hype for his showing. It'll take a lot more than a 1bil. bounty and fighting 2 minks for 5 days before I see him as big a threat as others make him out to be. Maybe if we see some of his fight with Doffy's escorts or maybe if we see he got Doffy then I'll start to concede but until then I find it hard to believe there's an enemy he could beat Doffy couldn't and I don't believe Jack could beat Doffy either.

Tbh Kaido's hype is too much and he probably won't live to it. I mean he was weaker than old sick WB and was bested by him while Shanks went toe to toe with him z.z

 

[Punk Hazard]

Tbh Kaido's hype is too much and he probably won't live to it. I mean he was weaker than old sick WB and was bested by him while Shanks went toe to toe with him z.z

I doubt any of the Yonko or the three Admirals pre-skip were gonna lose to pre-skip WB. Kaido is stronger than Shanks, so it inherently makes no sense to say "Kaido would have lost old WB but Shanks went toe to toe with him."

 

[Osmon]

I doubt any of the Yonko or the three Admirals pre-skip were gonna lose to pre-skip WB. Kaido is stronger than Shanks, so it inherently makes no sense to say "Kaido would have lost old WB but Shanks went toe to toe with him."

Kaido is obviously stronger than Shanks, the strongest current Yonko but by manga scans and facts it says that Old WB did something to Kaido that made him curse WB or it was one of those corny reasons "the strongest man died so now he curses WB cuz nobody can kill him" but anyway whatever the reason is I'm saying that somehow Kaido has too much hype in part 2. Shanks clashed with WB, then fought Kaido and after some days arrived in marineford and was ready to fight with Marines, BB and his crew and what was left from WB's crew so he must have won the fight with Kaido with ease or caught him by himself and trapped or some shit because if he had subordinates like Jack and other people who are above Joker then he would have destroyed Shanks. My point is that Jack and Kaido seem extraordinary strong with hype but I don't know if that's really true so we have to wait.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Tbh Kaido's hype is too much and he probably won't live to it. I mean he was weaker than old sick WB and was bested by him while Shanks went toe to toe with him z.z

Kaidou's hype is a Yonkou title and World's Strongest Creature, WB had the same hype, Yonkou & World's Strongest, yet WB was still beaten. Kaidou can and will still lose but it won't be a 1 on 1 effort.

 

[Osmon]

Kaidou's hype is a Yonkou title and World's Strongest Creature, WB had the same hype, Yonkou & World's Strongest, yet WB was still beaten. Kaidou can and will still lose but it won't be a 1 on 1 effort.

Bruh it was said that Kaido was beaten several times and got captured but never killed. Only a few people can beat Kaido like Akainu (arguable), Dragon, BlackBeard and Shanks (both arguable) and the gorosei z.z

 

[chopstickchakra]

Bruh it was said that Kaido was beaten several times and got captured but never killed. Only a few people can beat Kaido like Akainu (arguable), Dragon, BlackBeard and Shanks (both arguable) and the gorosei z.z

What does that have to do with my post?

 

[Osmon]

What does that have to do with my post?

Cuz you said that by hype Kaido was the strongest creature and Yonko, and I disagreed and I told you why z.z Smh

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kaido is obviously stronger than Shanks, the strongest current Yonko but by manga scans and facts it says that Old WB did something to Kaido that made him curse WB or it was one of those corny reasons "the strongest man died so now he curses WB cuz nobody can kill him" but anyway whatever the reason is I'm saying that somehow Kaido has too much hype in part 2. Shanks clashed with WB, then fought Kaido and after some days arrived in marineford and was ready to fight with Marines, BB and his crew and what was left from WB's crew so he must have won the fight with Kaido with ease or caught him by himself and trapped or some shit because if he had subordinates like Jack and other people who are above Joker then he would have destroyed Shanks. My point is that Jack and Kaido seem extraordinary strong with hype but I don't know if that's really true so we have to wait.

Kaido and Shanks definitely didn't have a real fight

 

[chopstickchakra]

Cuz you said that by hype Kaido was the strongest creature and Yonko, and I disagreed and I told you why z.z Smh

That's not what I said at all, I said Kaidou would live up to his hype. You said he wouldn't, I pointed out he has the same hype as WB-a Yonkou title and the title world's strongest (fill in the blank) and WB lived up to his hype. I said he would lose fights but not likely 1 on 1 just like WB who didn't lose to any 1 person in the manga, you then mention his defeats and captures which are irrelevant because we don't know the situation behind them and give a list of people who could hypothetically beat him, it adds nothing to the discussion. So you can syh all you want but that's on you.

 

[KingHashirama]

He wouldn't have had to defeat them and taken Doffy just been fighting them and seen an opening and took Doffy and ran. Just being able to get Doffy out in any manner would be impressive.

Doffy would be in seastone cuffs, so his DF would be useless, and without his DF don't know how strong he exactly is. He looked pretty useless.

Once Fujitora and Sengoku and Tsuru had sensed a ship presence, their number 1 priority would be to secure Doflamingo. And if despite that a Yonko FM was able to retrieve a already made useless Doflamingo from an Admiral and ex-Fleet Admiral.. that would be kind of shitting on the Admiral. (unless Gass is used, if thats the case, then it wouldn't really be a credit to Jack's personal strength).

 

[chopstickchakra]

Doffy would be in seastone cuffs, so his DF would be useless, and without his DF don't know how strong he exactly is. He looked pretty useless.

Once Fujitora and Sengoku and Tsuru had sensed a ship presence, their number 1 priority would be to secure Doflamingo. And if despite that a Yonko FM was able to retrieve a already made useless Doflamingo from an Admiral and ex-Fleet Admiral.. that would be kind of shitting on the Admiral. (unless Gass is used, if thats the case, then it wouldn't really be a credit to Jack's personal strength).

Or if one of the boats he sank was the one Doffy was on and a non DF user swam and picked him up. That still shows Jacks strength destroying a boat and distracting admirals long enough for one of his men to sneak Doffy away. There's countless ways it could work out if we sat down and thought them all out.