Reasons why Naruto isn't as much a Senju as everyone thinks...

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Yes. I realize there is a post about this. It was just made. This is MY post.

In this thread, I want to prove that Naruto may be connected to the Senju.
In this thread, I want to prove that he is not a direct descendant. MERELY a cousin as stated in the 500th chapter.

Point number one.

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"Long ago, people were always at war, there was no end to it."
"Then a single priest appeared, he was the first to divine the true meaning of chakra, and he tried to bring the world to peace."

Here, Jiraiya is saying that there are MORE people in the ninja world than the Sage. The Sage was not the FIRST human being in the Narutoverse and somehow gave life without another human. What I am saying here is that there were MANY people out there other than the Sage that Naruto could have inherited DNA from.

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"Their blood thinned."

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And this one seems to be the most ignored. Especially by hardcore Naruto fans. The FIRE of the Senju clan dwells within you. Nothing there stating that Naruto is a Senju, but that is open to interpretation.

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"Ninja were nothing more than individual clans".

Notice how clans in Naruto tend to do a lot of inbreeding? To those of you who don't understand the term, it is producing children with ones family member. This is often done to maintain connections to one family. Look at all the clans "hiden" techniques (like the Yamanaka mind switch or the Aburame bug jutsu). It is common that both the men AND the women can use the techniques, yet they are only supposed to be taught to clan members. Why do I know both men and women can use the techniques? Look at Kiba. He's from the Inuzuka clan, we have yet to see his father, but he must have inherited his father's last name. We know that the Inuzuka clan use techniques related to dogs, but yet his mother has actually been seen, and has used techniques related to dogs. Look at her fight against Preta Path for details. This goes to prove my inbreeing point that many people in Naruto marry cousins of sorts.

Now if there were a lot of clans that practiced inbreeding, why is it that everyone believes that ALL clans share the same blood?
Maybe in Naruto, everyone is related. But that also goes for the real world. We all come from the same being (whoever you believe that is, that's not my business). However, you do not see people from China calling each other Mexicans and people from Mexico calling each other Chinese.

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Here, these guys are said to be distant relatives. Yet the time period being described is already from quite a ways into the past. Thus, this would make Naruto's Senju blood even more diluted. Believe it or not, they could've had the same ancestor that was alive before the Sage's time! That is unclear. It's too vague to go on.

We DO have proof that Naruto is related to the Senju. However, based on the logic of many of these people on the boards, Sasuke is actually a Senju as well because the Uchiha and Senju clan come from the elder brother and younger brother, thus making their descendants cousins. Likewise, we could also call Hashirama an Uzumaki because of this logic.

All I'm saying is, yes. There is a possibilty that Naruto has Senju in him, and I'm a supporter of that, however disgusting it seems. It really takes away from the hard life of training he's had if he's from a clan of geniuses. I'm just saying that he's probably so distant from the Senju's that it wouldn't even qualify. That is, IF he is actually considered a Senju.

 

[Jinchuuriki of Juubi]

Yes. I realize there is a post about this. It was just made. This is MY post.

In this thread, I want to prove that Naruto may be connected to the Senju.
In this thread, I want to prove that he is not a direct descendant. MERELY a cousin as stated in the 500th chapter.

Point number one.

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"Long ago, people were always at war, there was no end to it."
"Then a single priest appeared, he was the first to divine the true meaning of chakra, and he tried to bring the world to peace."

Here, Jiraiya is saying that there are MORE people in the ninja world than the Sage. The Sage was not the FIRST human being in the Narutoverse and somehow gave life without another human. What I am saying here is that there were MANY people out there other than the Sage that Naruto could have inherited DNA from.

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"Their blood thinned."

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And this one seems to be the most ignored. Especially by hardcore Naruto fans. The FIRE of the Senju clan dwells within you. Nothing there stating that Naruto is a Senju, but that is open to interpretation.

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"Ninja were nothing more than individual clans".

Notice how clans in Naruto tend to do a lot of inbreeding? To those of you who don't understand the term, it is producing children with ones family member. This is often done to maintain connections to one family. Look at all the clans "hiden" techniques (like the Yamanaka mind switch or the Aburame bug jutsu). It is common that both the men AND the women can use the techniques, yet they are only supposed to be taught to clan members. Why do I know both men and women can use the techniques? Look at Kiba. He's from the Inuzuka clan, we have yet to see his father, but he must have inherited his father's last name. We know that the Inuzuka clan use techniques related to dogs, but yet his mother has actually been seen, and has used techniques related to dogs. Look at her fight against Preta Path for details. This goes to prove my inbreeing point that many people in Naruto marry cousins of sorts.

Now if there were a lot of clans that practiced inbreeding, why is it that everyone believes that ALL clans share the same blood?
Maybe in Naruto, everyone is related. But that also goes for the real world. We all come from the same being (whoever you believe that is, that's not my business). However, you do not see people from China calling each other Mexicans and people from Mexico calling each other Chinese.

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Here, these guys are said to be distant relatives. Yet the time period being described is already from quite a ways into the past. Thus, this would make Naruto's Senju blood even more diluted. Believe it or not, they could've had the same ancestor that was alive before the Sage's time! That is unclear. It's too vague to go on.

We DO have proof that Naruto is related to the Senju. However, based on the logic of many of these people on the boards, Sasuke is actually a Senju as well because the Uchiha and Senju clan come from the elder brother and younger brother, thus making their descendants cousins. Likewise, we could also call Hashirama an Uzumaki because of this logic.

All I'm saying is, yes. There is a possibilty that Naruto has Senju in him, and I'm a supporter of that, however disgusting it seems. It really takes away from the hard life of training he's had if he's from a clan of geniuses. I'm just saying that he's probably so distant from the Senju's that it wouldn't even qualify. That is, IF he is actually considered a Senju.

one thousand thanks my friend.a voice of reason in this senju/uzumaki blah blah blah chaos.this is a splendid thread and I back it one hundred percent.this is exactly how I feel on the subject.everyone is so worried about being right or pushing their biased opinions and don't look at the plain as day truth.people have blown this out of proportion and are overlooking the simple facts.again great thread I'll send people to this thread from now on when this subject arises

 

[Raised Fist]

one thousand thanks my friend.a voice of reason in this senju/uzumaki blah blah blah chaos.this is a splendid thread and I back it one hundred percent.this is exactly how I feel on the subject.everyone is so worried about being right or pushing their biased opinions and don't look at the plain as day truth.people have blown this out of proportion and are overlooking the simple facts.again great thread I'll send people to this thread from now on when this subject arises

absolutely agree

 

[xriddikx]

Yes. I realize there is a post about this. It was just made. This is MY post.



Sasuke is actually a Senju as well because the Uchiha and Senju clan come from the elder brother and younger brother, thus making their descendants cousins. Likewise, we could also call Hashirama an Uzumaki because of this logic.

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Sasuke is an Uchiha ...

 

[Raised Fist]

Sasuke is an Uchiha ...

hoooraayyy! didn't know thatU_U

reread what he sais:

"...after the logic of many people in this forum, sasuke is a senju..."

it's not his opinion.

 

[NineTailedSage]

Yes. I realize there is a post about this. It was just made. This is MY post.

In this thread, I want to prove that Naruto may be connected to the Senju.
In this thread, I want to prove that he is not a direct descendant. MERELY a cousin as stated in the 500th chapter.

Point number one.

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"Long ago, people were always at war, there was no end to it."
"Then a single priest appeared, he was the first to divine the true meaning of chakra, and he tried to bring the world to peace."

Here, Jiraiya is saying that there are MORE people in the ninja world than the Sage. The Sage was not the FIRST human being in the Narutoverse and somehow gave life without another human. What I am saying here is that there were MANY people out there other than the Sage that Naruto could have inherited DNA from.

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"Their blood thinned."

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And this one seems to be the most ignored. Especially by hardcore Naruto fans. The FIRE of the Senju clan dwells within you. Nothing there stating that Naruto is a Senju, but that is open to interpretation.

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"Ninja were nothing more than individual clans".

Notice how clans in Naruto tend to do a lot of inbreeding? To those of you who don't understand the term, it is producing children with ones family member. This is often done to maintain connections to one family. Look at all the clans "hiden" techniques (like the Yamanaka mind switch or the Aburame bug jutsu). It is common that both the men AND the women can use the techniques, yet they are only supposed to be taught to clan members. Why do I know both men and women can use the techniques? Look at Kiba. He's from the Inuzuka clan, we have yet to see his father, but he must have inherited his father's last name. We know that the Inuzuka clan use techniques related to dogs, but yet his mother has actually been seen, and has used techniques related to dogs. Look at her fight against Preta Path for details. This goes to prove my inbreeing point that many people in Naruto marry cousins of sorts.

Now if there were a lot of clans that practiced inbreeding, why is it that everyone believes that ALL clans share the same blood?
Maybe in Naruto, everyone is related. But that also goes for the real world. We all come from the same being (whoever you believe that is, that's not my business). However, you do not see people from China calling each other Mexicans and people from Mexico calling each other Chinese.

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Here, these guys are said to be distant relatives. Yet the time period being described is already from quite a ways into the past. Thus, this would make Naruto's Senju blood even more diluted. Believe it or not, they could've had the same ancestor that was alive before the Sage's time! That is unclear. It's too vague to go on.

We DO have proof that Naruto is related to the Senju. However, based on the logic of many of these people on the boards, Sasuke is actually a Senju as well because the Uchiha and Senju clan come from the elder brother and younger brother, thus making their descendants cousins. Likewise, we could also call Hashirama an Uzumaki because of this logic.

All I'm saying is, yes. There is a possibilty that Naruto has Senju in him, and I'm a supporter of that, however disgusting it seems. It really takes away from the hard life of training he's had if he's from a clan of geniuses. I'm just saying that he's probably so distant from the Senju's that it wouldn't even qualify. That is, IF he is actually considered a Senju.

For all we know the Uzumaki clan was the So6p clan which would give naruto a direct connection to the so6p.

The Senju and Uchiha were decendats of the two sons. The Uzumaki could be the clan they originally belonged to.

There was no Senju or Uchiha before the two sons.

 

[LorDRaishin]

For all we know the Uzumaki clan was the So6p clan which would give naruto a direct connection to the so6p.

The Senju and Uchiha were decendats of the two sons. The Uzumaki could be the clan they originally belonged to.

There was no Senju or Uchiha before the two sons.

Agreed ^_^ ... No Senju ... No Uchiha ... He's U-Z-U-M-A-K-I!

 

[Regulus]

We also know of atleast one occasion where senju and uzumaki reproduced, as far as we know the senju and uzumaki could of carried on similar relations, since the senju cannot be easily defined to one characteristic it is heard to say who is senju, since it is hard to believe that an entire clan died off without any mention of it

 

[Sketch]

what im feeling from this thread is.

that the naruto manga is not about a ninja boy with a demon inside of him its realy about all thease clans commiting incest.

awesome.

 

[squiremarcus]

However, based on the logic of many of these people on the boards, Sasuke is actually a Senju as well because the Uchiha and Senju clan come from the elder brother and younger brother, thus making their descendants cousins.

Incorrect. they are passing the same base blood genetics, the difference is that they are passing down different powers with their blood because they were granted different powers later in life unrelated to the fact that they are brothers

and to the other points in your thread, inbreeding would not have been possible in the beggining(because the only person with the power was a male on both sides) so the power/blood would have automatically been diluted even for the second generation to exist. and this dilution would have almost necessarily diluted more and more in each generation so as the blood eventually split into one who called him or herself an uzumaki, technically the dillution would have continued the same as those who were called senju, and thus naruto would have the same portion of the younger brother's genetics as would any senju from naruto's generation.

but that's just on a technical note

however what we really need to look at is why does it matter. Naruto can easily be powerful without being a senju and I would argue that that is probably the point of the manga that you can be strong without being from a destined clan. The introduction of his senjuness(via the uzumaki) was obviously introduced by kishi for some reason, perhaps to explain why he is able to control some of his power beyond pure will of mind

 

[Ragnaroc]

I agree with most of the first post, except for the inbreeding part. Just because they have the same techniques as the rest of the clan, doesn't mean that they shacked up with their cousins. if its a blood line technique like the sharingan or ice techniques, only one parent is needed to pass on the genetic information necessary. if inbreeding was rampant, than there wouldn't be any special techniques or kekkai genkai because everybody would be sibling and parent and than they would just die out.

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

Sasuke is an Uchiha ...

Please re-read what I said in the sentence before that you appear to have deleted. I said based on many Narutobase Forum members logic, Sasuke would also be a Senju because, after all, cousins who descended from an ancient human whose blood is heavily diluted from that person must be part of the same clan right?

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

For all we know the Uzumaki clan was the So6p clan which would give naruto a direct connection to the so6p.

The Senju and Uchiha were decendats of the two sons. The Uzumaki could be the clan they originally belonged to.

There was no Senju or Uchiha before the two sons.

I did not think about that. That is also another good point, supposing the Sage had a brother who was born without the Rinnegan (or someone similarly related), then they would be an uncle of the Senju clan without being a direct ancestor of the Senju clan.

One more thing I'd like to add is, suppose Nagato had two kids, would we be having the same discussion?

 

[squiremarcus]

I agree with most of the first post, except for the inbreeding part. Just because they have the same techniques as the rest of the clan, doesn't mean that they shacked up with their cousins. if its a blood line technique like the sharingan or ice techniques, only one parent is needed to pass on the genetic information necessary. if inbreeding was rampant, than there wouldn't be any special techniques or kekkai genkai because everybody would be sibling and parent and than they would just die out.

but, without inbreeding any clan "split offs" would be just as pureblooded as members of the real clan

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

I agree with most of the first post, except for the inbreeding part. Just because they have the same techniques as the rest of the clan, doesn't mean that they shacked up with their cousins. if its a blood line technique like the sharingan or ice techniques, only one parent is needed to pass on the genetic information necessary. if inbreeding was rampant, than there wouldn't be any special techniques or kekkai genkai because everybody would be sibling and parent and than they would just die out.

I meant the "hiden" clans inbreed more. I am sure that Sasuke could marry someone like Karin and produce a baby with a Sharingan.

 

[Ragnaroc]

but, without inbreeding any clan "split offs" would be just as pureblooded as members of the real clan

what?

I meant the "hiden" clans inbreed more. I am sure that Sasuke could marry someone like Karin and produce a baby with a Sharingan.

but clans like hidans aren't clans with a KG, anybody could learn techniques like that if they were taught. Bloodline limits like the sharingan and byakugan are only passed down through blood and can not be taught.

 

[FlashKID124]

what?


but clans like hidans aren't clans with a KG, anybody could learn techniques like that if they were taught. Bloodline limits like the sharingan and byakugan are only passed down through blood and can not be taught.

he means to write "hidden".. i know, i read it first and thought of hidan too.. but that didn't make sense to me...

 

[cryhwks]

Naruto is not a Senju because Senju is just a name his 2 last names are Uzumaki or Namikaze Senju is just a name it don't matter but the Senju & Uzumaki are blood related thats all that matters no matter how little blood they share they have the same blood in there veins & with Naruto that means he has a connection to the SO6 thats what is important

 

[eyesofthekyuubi44]

he means to write "hidden".. i know, i read it first and thought of hidan too.. but that didn't make sense to me...

They said Hiden on Narutobase to refer to special clan techniques.

 

[Sade]

lol.....