Naruto is Lance Armstrong!

[XxTayxX]

are you serious?...that's akin to naruto using them as training dummies to test out his chakra mode

Sasuke after all was born with natural talent so he gets used to his new powers fairly quickly. Sasuke did atleast practice using them in the cave & on the zetsu army.

 

[Dr Gilgamesh]

I never get why Naruto fanboys bring up the Uchiha everytime the hard worker theme is brought up. It was established early on in the series that the Uchihas were gifted geniuses who excel at everything. And while I agree the Sharingan is a plot device as well, that doesn't go against their characters.

That's the thing. People don't criticize Naruto for getting hand outs. They do it because he gets them despite Kishi trying to shove it down our throats that he's this talentless dude that has to work harder than anyone else to achive something.

 

[Jiren]

Sasuke and Uchihas for that matter represent talent, genius, bloodline ability and essientially free power ups. Members might look at it as unfair but that doesn't contrast with who they are. Uchihas are known to be power hungry, revenge seekers and the evil bad guys you might say.

 

[LoZelda101]

Why train when you can steal eyes and get granted power?

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^^^ guess that's lord sauce being a "white hat"

1. sasuke didn't know about EMS.
2. lee and guy confirmed speed > eyes
3. former required sauce to improve his speed
4. confirms hard work w/ blessed eyes matters.
5. cause training w/ orochi > "playing ninja with kohona" <- sasuke's words.

 

[Nagi]

which proves my point...also sasuke preached false hope to not only naruto but boruto as well...where is the "sasuke is lance armstrong as well" thread? oh that's right :sdo:

Kishi made everybody else's character development "FORCED" for the sake of Naruto's development. Kishi practically made everybody bow their head to Naruto in the end. I'm done for the day. The story is almost. At least Lord Itachi and Madara didn't bow to Naruto!

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Sasuke after all was born with natural talent so he gets used to his new powers fairly quickly. Sasuke did atleast practice using them in the cave & on the zetsu army.

as lets just both agree that they needed to use their powers at least ONCE to get adjusted to them

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

1. sasuke didn't know about EMS.
2. lee and guy confirmed speed > eyes
3. former required sauce to improve his speed
4. confirms hard work w/ blessed eyes matters.
5. cause training w/ orochi > "playing ninja with kohona" <- sasuke's words.

.....and?

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Kishi made everybody else's character development "FORCED" for the sake of Naruto's development. Kishi practically made everybody bow their head to Naruto in the end. I'm done for the day. The story is almost. At least Lord Itachi and Madara didn't bow to Naruto!

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[rollin]

kurama helping naruto out proves that naruto needs more hard work not naruto doesnt need hard work because kurama helps him out.kurama helps him out when hes near death and tries to take over his body
and neji wasnt sure
father is a person destiney like a cloud with no inescapable flow or can it choose it's own path i still dont know the answer to this

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and lee was a genius
that nots about hardwork that kids a genius

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[Pumpkin Ninja]

Sasuke and Naruto both worked hard but both were blessed with the most potential and free gifts.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Sasuke and Naruto both worked hard but both were blessed with the most potential and free gifts.

Agreed.

 

[Aznkidd]

What a failure. Naruto had to train himself to control Kurama power. While ur black sauces get pilled, modified without any actual training. The most shitty one is that he lost his own sword to Madara and then get killed it by. Such swordman deserve to be humiliated for eternity.

 

[Nagi]

What a failure. Naruto had to train himself to control Kurama power. While ur black sauces get pilled, modified without any actual training. The most shitty one is that he lost his own sword to Madara and then get killed it by. Such swordman deserve to be humiliated for eternity.

You failed to miss the point here. Plus this thread ain't about Sasuke and a thread about sasuke on this subject can't even happen because he is not doing the same thing that Naruto is doing.

Naruto is preaching "False Hope" to people about achieving goals with just "hard work" when it have been pretty clear that 95% of his wins are due to Kurama.

Sasuke never claimed to be a white hat like Naruto. In fact!, Sasuke made it very clear that he will do whatever it take to get stronger even if it mean going down a dark path.

My thread is very simple. Naruto is like Lance Armstrong, Despite the greatness they both bought upon the world, they both had 2nd source of power to achieve their greatness. You can't tell another person that hardwork will make it possible for you when it very clear that you needed a 2nd source of power too to achieve that goal.

 

[Aznkidd]

You failed to miss the point here. Plus this thread ain't about Sasuke and a thread about sasuke on this subject can't even happen because he is not doing the same thing that Naruto is doing.

Naruto is preaching "False Hope" to people about achieving goals with just "hard work" when it have been pretty clear that 95% of his wins are due to Kurama.

Sasuke never claimed to be a white hat like Naruto. In fact!, Sasuke made it very clear that he will do whatever it take to get stronger even if it mean going down a dark path.

My thread is very simple. Naruto is like Lance Armstrong, Despite the greatness they both bought upon the world, they both had 2nd source of power to achieve their greatness. You can't tell another person that hardwork will make it possible for you when it very clear that you needed a 2nd source of power too to achieve that goal.

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To even able to control Kurama chakra is almost impossible for most ninja. To even balance sage/senjutsu/body/kurama chakra is almost impossible if the performer is not training extremely hard for it. The training back ground for Naruto is very obivous, only blind people who can not see it.

 

[Nagi]

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To even able to control Kurama chakra is almost impossible for most ninja. To even balance sage/senjutsu/body/kurama chakra is almost impossible if the performer is not training extremely hard for it. The training back ground for Naruto is very obivous, only blind people who can not see it.

I see that you're overlooked else in that post. Tell me that I'm wrong about Naruto on the matter. Is he giving out false hope to people?

 

[XxTayxX]

as lets just both agree that they needed to use their powers at least ONCE to get adjusted to them

Yeah i agree with that.

 

[Aznkidd]

I see that you're overlooked else in that post. Tell me that I'm wrong about Naruto on the matter. Is he giving out false hope to people?

He is not, as i said it is almost impossible to control Kurama/sage/senjutsu/body chakra at the same time if Naruto didnt train for it. Even many skillful legendary ninja can not perform it when Naruto able to do so because of his determination in training to the point that exceed a normal hardworker.

 

[Nagi]

He is not, as i said it is almost impossible to control Kurama/sage/senjutsu/body chakra at the same time if Naruto didnt train for it. Even many skillful legendary ninja can not perform it when Naruto able to do so because of his determination in training to the point that exceed a normal hardworker.

You're missing the point again. Naruto is giving the NV the idea that you can achieve the same goal as him through "hardwork" alone. So you're telling me that I can take on 8 bijuus or nagato or kaguya by myself if I train hard like you? Are you sure I don't need Kurama chakra? despite you needing it.

 

[Tyris]

Naruto is Lance Armstrong!

Let that statement sink in for a few seconds.

Naruto went around the whole part 1 and almost the whole part 2(until Lord Itachi talk-no-Jutsu-ed him about teamwork) talking about "hard work pay off", "Never give up", and "I would never resort to such way" to people who gotta get their hands bloody to achieve their goals.

The problem here is that 95% of Naruto's fights that he had won is due to Kurama when shit is hopeless for Naruto. Yes Naruto was born with Kurama inside of him. So can't fault him for using Kurama. But the thing is you can't go around giving out false hope to people who don't have a second source of chakra in them like Naruto.

This is why Naruto is Lance Armstrong. Lance Armstrong(Naruto) promoted false hope to a lot of people with his "never give up! Just do it" and his overcome of health issues. Lance Armstrong was using drug(Kurama) to win all his races.

Sasuke, Madara, Kabuto or whoever y'all Naruto fans want to bring up...Those characters don't be going around giving people "false hope" or telling them to "Never give up". They are aware of how strong they are or what they do to get to where they are. They don't claim to be "white hat" like Naruto!

I had to stop reading at "naruto was born with kurama inside him"....

I won't outright disrespect you but that I so very wrong and I can't read on without posting manga facts...

Kurama was instilled in Him AFTER CONCEPTION... only sauce has kkg and EMS for retards is is natural birthright.. curse was a handout he didn't want then sought after Oro train and hone it..

 

[Nagi]

I had to stop reading at "naruto was born with kurama inside him"....

I won't outright disrespect you but that I so very wrong and I can't read on without posting manga facts...

Kurama was instilled in Him AFTER CONCEPTION... only sauce has kkg and EMS for retards is is natural birthright.. curse was a handout he didn't want then sought after Oro train and hone it..

Why would you take that statement seriously?? The world knows that Naruto wasn't born wit Kurama, but had it since day 1.

If that stopped you from reading the rest, then have a good day.