People's obsession with reproduction

[KISSame]

Everyone just butt hurt that sauce has no son.

 

[Yatori]

Cos uchiha is done with sarada. If sasuke has single kids but a son i think people wont make fuss over it.

Also a lot of kids means that people have better fertilization isnt it?

 

[Honord Sage]

Fact Nature it self has made the drive to reproduce a strong instinct in all animals including normal male and female Humans. Why? it is the best way for life to continue it keeps extinction away. Without Males and Females having a natural attraction to mate life would end for species.

 

[SolarSpider]

How am I discrediting anything? I'm just saying that reproduction doesn't make one superior or better than another.

The entire purpose of reproduction is to pass on ones genes. If you fail to pass those along in some way, then you have been weeded out by natural selection. Thus, your genetics are inferior for survival. It's not a bad thing, in fact natural selection is a great thing, however, you are in fact inferior to those who procreate, even if you don't see how.

 

[Jiren]

Lol. Is this a rebuttal to more of Narutos fans arguments? They are so stupid i swear

 

[chaos control]

The entire purpose of reproduction is to pass on ones genes. If you fail to pass those along in some way, then you have been weeded out by natural selection. Thus, your genetics are inferior for survival. It's not a bad thing, in fact natural selection is a great thing, however, you are in fact inferior to those who procreate, even if you don't see how.

No offense, but this logic is some of the worst I've ever seen. You say that someone who doesn't reproduce is inferior to one who does. Well by that logic, a childless person that eliminates world hunger and cures all diseases is inferior to a rapist that just happened to get his victim pregnant.

Reproduction can be a good thing given the right circumstances, but it can also be a very bad thing depending on the situation. Answer these questions:

Is it good for a 13 or 14 year old girl to get pregnant and then drop out of school or have a hard time taking care of the baby and herself?

Is it good for an impoverished family who has to eat trash and steal to survive to have a baby that they can't take care of and that will likely end up with the same poor socioeconomic status as their parents?

Would you call reproduction in any cases like this a good thing? I wouldn't.

This is not to even mention the quality of the child. Even if you do reproduce, you don't know what your child is going to be like until years into the child's life. Your reproduction may or may not have been beneficial to the world. Take Adolf Hitler for example. His existence is one that the world could have done without. Also take bums who don't want to make any effort to be successful in life. Is their existence really beneficial to the world?

I don't know about you, but if I had to choose between being a successful man who solved the world's problems and did great service to humanity at the cost of being childless, and having a child , but being a bum who couldn't take care of the child, I would choose the first option any day. Note that I am not saying that all people who have kids are bums. I am just saying that there are plenty of cases of people who have reproduced that are in no way superior to just about anyone.

Also, you just slapped everyone who is physically incapable of having a child in the face by calling them inferior.

That purely genetic "instinctual" viewpoint of natural selection is utter trash and stupidity (I'm not calling you stupid. I am just commenting on the viewpoint itself). One of the things that is supposed to separate us humans from animals is our ability to think beyond just the physical and beyond just our natural urges such as reproduction that just about all organisms have. Anyone who thinks that passing on your genes is being successful or makes you superior is not thinking like a human.

 

[ComplexCity]

I'm not saying that reproduction is a bad thing altogether. I'm just saying that it's not some big feat that showcases one's superiority over another like people act like it is.

You forget this is NB

 

[chaos control]

Are you saying you would not like to exist? Reproduction is an accomplishment, specially if your child is beautiful and perfectly healthy.

Would you still say it is an accomplishment if you can not take care of the kid? What about if the child turns out to be a menace? I'm not saying that these are always the case, but I'm just saying that because these cases exist, making more humans alone is not necessarily a good thing. It becomes good if you successfully raise that child into a productive member of the world, but just making the child alone doesn't earn you any "cool points" so to speak. Like I said, any fertile person with genitals can reproduce. A girl who gets raped may very well reproduce as a result of it. Is getting raped an accomplishment?

Why do people act like having one kid is boss?

Look Natural Selection is the theory describing survival of the fittest. Reproduction/ Nature is one thing, but nurture is the other. Sasuke did get the short end of the stick, the offspring might tarnish the name of the Uchiha Clan. Reproducing is not a big accomplishment but seeing the NH family interact is much better than the other. Kids who live by themselves tend to be more lonely(not saying it applies for all cases though).

I'm not saying that having only one kid is boss. I'm just saying that the act of making multiple kids alone isn't some accomplishment that should earn you any accolade over a childless person. It is the successful raising of a child that deserves accolade, not just the making of the child. Like I said above, a rapist can make a child. Does he deserve accolade for that?

Cos uchiha is done with sarada. If sasuke has single kids but a son i think people wont make fuss over it.

Also a lot of kids means that people have better fertilization isnt it?

A lot of kids doesn't mean better fertilization. It just means that you either chose to have more kids, or you got multiple kids in one pregnancy (such as twins or triplets). For all we know, Sasuke and Sakura could be just as fertile as Naruto and Hinata, but they may have only chose to have one kid.

Also, who cares if the name Uchiha (or any other name) dies out? A name itself is not what breeds success. It may breed stereotypes based on legacies of certain clans and family lines, but it doesn't actually automatically breed success for an individual. Just take the Uchiha clan for example. Yoshino Uchiha, Tekka Uchiha, and many others were actually fodders who you probably don't even know unless you click on some of the random names on the wiki's list of members of the Uchiha clan. How much success and epicness do you think the name Uchiha brought them? Not much from the looks of it. Despite the legacy of the Uchiha name, there were only really a few notable members of the Uchiha clan. A last name alone isn't worth that much. A first name combined with a last name may have some meaning (i.e. Madara Uchiha), but just having the last name doesn't do much for you (example: Bob Uchiha (you're probably thinking "Who the heck is that fodder?")).

Besides, it's not like the sharingan dies out with Sarada. Just the name. A rose by any other name smells just as sweet.

Fact Nature it self has made the drive to reproduce a strong instinct in all animals including normal male and female Humans. Why? it is the best way for life to continue it keeps extinction away. Without Males and Females having a natural attraction to mate life would end for species.

Just because the drive to reproduce is natural doesn't mean that it is best for humanity in every case.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

some people think the only reason for giving sarada a brother is EMS, because they dont give a shit about actual characters, just as long as someone tears out someone elses eyes. Sarada should never get a sibling, for exactly that reason.

 

[SolarSpider]

No offense, but this logic is some of the worst I've ever seen. You say that someone who doesn't reproduce is inferior to one who does. Well by that logic, a childless person that eliminates world hunger and cures all diseases is inferior to a rapist that just happened to get his victim pregnant.

Reproduction can be a good thing given the right circumstances, but it can also be a very bad thing depending on the situation. Answer these questions:

Is it good for a 13 or 14 year old girl to get pregnant and then drop out of school or have a hard time taking care of the baby and herself?

Is it good for an impoverished family who has to eat trash and steal to survive to have a baby that they can't take care of and that will likely end up with the same poor socioeconomic status as their parents?

Would you call reproduction in any cases like this a good thing? I wouldn't.

This is not to even mention the quality of the child. Even if you do reproduce, you don't know what your child is going to be like until years into the child's life. Your reproduction may or may not have been beneficial to the world. Take Adolf Hitler for example. His existence is one that the world could have done without. Also take bums who don't want to make any effort to be successful in life. Is their existence really beneficial to the world?

I don't know about you, but if I had to choose between being a successful man who solved the world's problems and did great service to humanity at the cost of being childless, and having a child , but being a bum who couldn't take care of the child, I would choose the first option any day. Note that I am not saying that all people who have kids are bums. I am just saying that there are plenty of cases of people who have reproduced that are in no way superior to just about anyone.

Also, you just slapped everyone who is physically incapable of having a child in the face by calling them inferior.

That purely genetic "instinctual" viewpoint of natural selection is utter trash and stupidity (I'm not calling you stupid. I am just commenting on the viewpoint itself). One of the things that is supposed to separate us humans from animals is our ability to think beyond just the physical and beyond just our natural urges such as reproduction that just about all organisms have. Anyone who thinks that passing on your genes is being successful or makes you superior is not thinking like a human.

Inferior for survival........ do you understand that? Your entire rebuttal was pointless.

 

[Honord Sage]

Would you still say it is an accomplishment if you can not take care of the kid? What about if the child turns out to be a menace? I'm not saying that these are always the case, but I'm just saying that because these cases exist, making more humans alone is not necessarily a good thing. It becomes good if you successfully raise that child into a productive member of the world, but just making the child alone doesn't earn you any "cool points" so to speak. Like I said, any fertile person with genitals can reproduce. A girl who gets raped may very well reproduce as a result of it. Is getting raped an accomplishment?



I'm not saying that having only one kid is boss. I'm just saying that the act of making multiple kids alone isn't some accomplishment that should earn you any accolade over a childless person. It is the successful raising of a child that deserves accolade, not just the making of the child. Like I said above, a rapist can make a child. Does he deserve accolade for that?



A lot of kids doesn't mean better fertilization. It just means that you either chose to have more kids, or you got multiple kids in one pregnancy (such as twins or triplets). For all we know, Sasuke and Sakura could be just as fertile as Naruto and Hinata, but they may have only chose to have one kid.

Also, who cares if the name Uchiha (or any other name) dies out? A name itself is not what breeds success. It may breed stereotypes based on legacies of certain clans and family lines, but it doesn't actually automatically breed success for an individual. Just take the Uchiha clan for example. Yoshino Uchiha, Tekka Uchiha, and many others were actually fodders who you probably don't even know unless you click on some of the random names on the wiki's list of members of the Uchiha clan. How much success and epicness do you think the name Uchiha brought them? Not much from the looks of it. Despite the legacy of the Uchiha name, there were only really a few notable members of the Uchiha clan. A last name alone isn't worth that much. A first name combined with a last name may have some meaning (i.e. Madara Uchiha), but just having the last name doesn't do much for you (example: Bob Uchiha (you're probably thinking "Who the heck is that fodder?")).

Besides, it's not like the sharingan dies out with Sarada. Just the name. A rose by any other name smells just as sweet.


Just because the drive to reproduce is natural doesn't mean that it is best for humanity in every case.

Only if you’re a Liberal sines they kill each other in one form or a noter. From abortion to Chicago were breading can be inter pit as a crime. So why haven you completed Sepuko?

 

[chaos control]

Inferior for survival........ do you understand that? Your entire rebuttal was pointless.

You're not inferior for survival either. Despite the utter garbage that Shin Uchiha spouted , the fact of the matter is, your kids are not you. Your kids are entirely different people from you. They may have similarities to you due to having some of your genes , but they are still not you.

Therefore having kids and passing on your genes does not make you immortal in any sense nor does it make you any more fit to survive than a person without kids. Once you die , you're dead. You don't live on through your kids.

If you are referring to longevity, then you should know that a person without kids can live just as long as a person with kids and vice versa. One's ability to survive is contingent upon their resources , their intelligence/resourcefulness, their physical health/physique, their environment, etc... Having kids doesn't necessarily make you any better in these areas than someone without kids.

 

[chaos control]

Only if you’re a Liberal sines they kill each other in one form or a noter. From abortion to Chicago were breading can be inter pit as a crime. So why haven you completed Sepuko?

I'm having a hard time understanding your post due to some of the grammar and some wording, but I will say this. I'm not saying that breeding is bad or that I don't want to exist. I'm saying that there is no shame for someone like Sasuke who only has one kid (or for someone with no kids), nor is there any glory over another person for someone who has multiple kids.

 

[Honord Sage]

I'm having a hard time understanding your post due to some of the grammar and some wording, but I will say this. I'm not saying that breeding is bad or that I don't want to exist. I'm saying that there is no shame for someone like Sasuke who only has one kid (or for someone with no kids), nor is there any glory over another person for someone who has multiple kids.

Be fruitful and Multiply is the law of Both God and Nature the larger the gene pool the more variety with in a species,the more possibilities life has of continuing.

 

[chaos control]

Be fruitful and Multiply is the law of Both God and Nature the larger the gene pool the more variety with in a species,the more possibilities life has of continuing.

Yes I realize this. Let me better explain what I'm saying in terms of the manga:

People say stuff like: "That's not fair! Naruto got two kids and Sasuke only got one!" as if Sasuke was done some great injustice or as if he has been defeated in some way. I am saying that Naruto is no better off than Sasuke just because he has two kids as opposed to Sasuke's one. I am saying that Sasuke was not done an injustice of any sort, nor is Naruto's two kids over Sasuke's one any sort of victory for Naruto over Sasuke.

In other words, how many kids a couple has is purely their choice (except for cases like twins or triplets where they get more than one kid at once). Sasuke and Sakura may have only wanted one child. Is it losing if you get what you want or if you end up with a happy family? I don't think so.

In life, it is not a competition to see who has the most kids.

 

[Honord Sage]

Yes I realize this. Let me better explain what I'm saying in terms of the manga:

People say stuff like: "That's not fair! Naruto got two kids and Sasuke only got one!" as if Sasuke was done some great injustice or as if he has been defeated in some way. I am saying that Naruto is no better off than Sasuke just because he has two kids as opposed to Sasuke's one. I am saying that Sasuke was not done an injustice of any sort, nor is Naruto's two kids over Sasuke's one any sort of victory for Naruto over Sasuke.

In other words, how many kids a couple has is purely their choice (except for cases like twins or triplets where they get more than one kid at once). Sasuke and Sakura may have only wanted one child. Is it losing if you get what you want or if you end up with a happy family? I don't think so.

In life, it is not a competition to see who has the most kids.

Fact of life The Manga name is Naruto,the hero is Naruto and it’s a traditional story hence Naruto gets to have more than anybody else.

 

[chaos control]

Fact of life The Manga name is Naruto,the hero is Naruto and it’s a traditional story hence Naruto gets to have more than anybody else.

The fact that Naruto is the main character has nothing to do with the number of kids they had. That is purely up to choice. I guess by your logic, the manga should have been called Tajima, because Madara's father Tajima Uchiha had 5 kids (which as far as I know is the most we've seen in a family in the manga thus far).

 

[Honord Sage]

The fact that Naruto is the main character has nothing to do with the number of kids they had. That is purely up to choice. I guess by your logic, the manga should have been called Tajima, because Madara's father Tajima Uchiha had 5 kids (which as far as I know is the most we've seen in a family in the manga thus far).

Stop your New Age Gothic rant this is a traditional story and Heroes in traditional stories do get the best,as for Madara, Only child in His family to make it to adulthood.Your point of view is not seen as normal to the majority of the World population.Your swimming against the tide of life,the urge for all creatures great and small is to pass their genetics to the next generation.

 

[Xlad]

Look at Honord Sage go! Given your cognitive disability and past, I can't say I'm surprised. Actually, I feel bad for you if anything.

 

[chaos control]

Stop your New Age Gothic rant this is a traditional story and Heroes in traditional stories do get the best,as for Madara, Only child in His family to make it to adulthood.Your point of view is not seen as normal to the majority of the World population.Your swimming against the tide of life,the urge for all creatures great and small is to pass their genetics to the next generation.

Lol. New age gothic rant? That's a new one. Anyway, you are missing the entire point. The point is: Since when does having the most kids equate to having the best? Is it not the best if you are happy with the family you have, whether you have 1 child or 100 or even if you are happy being a single person? Is a parent with only one child not allowed to be happy according to your perspective? Finally, is it not a couple's choice on how many kids they have (with the exception of cases where multiple babies are born at once)? Think about this stuff.

Look at Honord Sage go! Given your cognitive disability and past, I can't say I'm surprised. Actually, I feel bad for you if anything.

I assume you are referring to Honord Sage's cognitive condition and past, correct?