Is Kotoamatsukami non-counterable?

[Observer]

I have yet to find a legitimate counter to the strongest genjutsu in the Shinobi World - KA.​

Shisui was shown to be controlling multiple people at once. Yet not only just controlling, but creating false experiences through a person's mind, thus making people scream in panic and fear, which hints that Shisui could create any kind of thought/experience/emotional flow in person's mind: from happiness to fear and agony. Not only that, but he did it without any visual contact nor finger genjutsuing - all while being far away from the actual enemy. ( as shown in his

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) He could basically explode your brain. Now this is just straight out impossible for such an OP genjutsu to have no viable counters at all.

Can you name at least one?

The only two things that come to my mind are:

1) The person's will or chakra has to be extremely, and I mean really EXTREMELY strong/powerful in order to break the genjutsu. ( not lower than that of a transmigrant )

2) The person has to be a perfect Jinchuuriki.​

What do you think?​

P.S. Yes, you may say that in his fight vs Ao Shisui wasn't using KA. Well then, Shisui can't use Tsukuyomi. And it's impossible to perform such feats with normal 3T genjutsu.

 

[Megatolium]

It can't be countered. Not even something as powerful as Edo Tensei could withstand its power.

 

[LoZelda101]

Nope. Unbeatable, only way to escape is to kill yourself before it hits you :lol

 

[dark legion]

I'm pretty sure KA is the most OP jutsu in NV.

You can tell that when You realised that Itachi put all his hopes in it to stop Sasuke.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

1 - The person would have to realise he was under genjutsu to even attempt breaking it. KA is undetectable unless via a third party that recognizes it being used(like in the kage summit).

2 - Being a jinchuuriki is not going to save you. Same as above, even the bijuu will not realise it's being used. As there is no detectable change to the victim's chakra.

When facing a KA user, just run for your life.

 

[Demonic.]

I recall Necromancer saying Kamui would allow Obito to phase from it. Lmao...what a tard.

 

[LoZelda101]

1 - The person would have to realise he was under genjutsu to even attempt breaking it. KA is undetectable unless via a third party that recognizes it being used(like in the kage summit).

2 - Being a jinchuuriki is not going to save you. Same as above, even the bijuu will not realise it's being used. As there is no detectable change to the victim's chakra.

Itachi's gen is undetectable as well according to Ao

 

[Angelic.]

Only break it by realizing your doing something dumb

 

[Observer]

I recall Necromancer saying Kamui would allow Obito to phase from it. Lmao...what a tard.

Technically it's possible ( only if beforehand ), but it's never going to happen. Genjutsu is instant, and this is Kamui's biggest and (probably) only weakness.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

Itachi's gen is undetectable as well according to Ao

hmm. I don't remember that. No one can break out of tsukiyomi anyways, except for sasuke. And even if it were detectable, it would take it's toll on the victim before anyone can even break them out of the genjutsu(perfect jins included).

 

[Observer]

Nope. Unbeatable, only way to escape is to kill yourself before it hits you :lol

1 - The person would have to realise he was under genjutsu to even attempt breaking it. KA is undetectable unless via a third party that recognizes it being used(like in the kage summit).

2 - Being a jinchuuriki is not going to save you. Same as above, even the bijuu will not realise it's being used. As there is no detectable change to the victim's chakra.

When facing a KA user, just run for your life.

Dat Shisui.

 

[LoZelda101]

Dat Shisui.

Which itachi was gifted to protect kohona at one point :lol

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

For specific people there r counters for example gaara even if u have him in KA if u try to harm him his auto defense would block it and he would notice there for genjutsu is broken and if you have him kill himself his sand would stop him like it did when he was child...

I believe certain people can counter KA gaara being one of them

 

[shadowcb]

It's a genjutsu so it follows the same rules as other genjutsu and can be defeated like any other genjutsu. Genjutsu works by controling the chakra inside the target's head. It is dangerous because it's hard to detect.

Karin explained to us when Sasuke faced Danzo that when a person is placed under a genjutsu their chakra becomes unbalance/unstable -

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People who can sense chakra would feel their own chakra being unbalance/unstable.

Perfect Jin could counter it because when the ninja switch their chakra with the tail beast -

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or merge their chakra together -

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- it would defeat the genjutsu.

 

[Observer]

For specific people there r counters for example gaara even if u have him in KA if u try to harm him his auto defense would block it and he would notice there for genjutsu is broken and if you have him kill himself his sand would stop him like it did when he was child...

I believe certain people can counter KA gaara being one of them

Umm.. What? How can Gaara's sand shield protect him from KA? Correct me if I'm wrong, but genjutsu is not a projectile, isn't it? And Gaara's braincells don't seem to made of sand. But I could agree that some specific people can break the genjutsu ( Because, for example, Hagoromo getting owned by KA would be beyond funny and a big slap to the face )

 

[LoZelda101]

hmm. I don't remember that. No one can break out of tsukiyomi anyways, except for sasuke. And even if it were detectable, it would take it's toll on the victim before anyone can even break them out of the genjutsu(perfect jins included).

Early war arc during the zetsu clone(neji) arc. Ao said Itachi's gen was skilled to be undetected by even the sensory division or something like that. The wiki page links you to the chapter where it's quoted

 

[YellowFang]

KA can't be detected by the victim... Correct me if I'm missing any details.

One possible counter I can think of,
Strong resolve:
KA doesn't harm you at all, you just get under user's control undetected and can't do against the user's will... So, if you're instructed to do anything that you'd never do in your senses, the clash between the command and strong resolve can alert the target. And I believe it can be get rid of easily just like a normal genjutsu...

Edo-Itachi knew he was under KA's influence because of the conflicting commands in his mind, KA's command took over Kabuto's talisman which created doubt for him and he realized and chose not to undo it, all IMO...

P.S.

If KA is so haxxed and unbeatable, There were multiple occasions on which it could've come in handy but it was a non-factor...
Shisui stopping Danzo,
Itachi stopping Danzo,
Shisui stopping Fugaku,
Itachi stopping Fugaku...

 

[Scryed]

I recall Necromancer saying Kamui would allow Obito to phase from it. Lmao...what a tard.

Seriously?

Genjutsu isn't something that overlaps with his body so that makes no sense. I can't see why anyone would even believe that...

 

[UchiGOD]

I really can't find any counters....just don't make him mad :|:|

 

[LoZelda101]

It's a genjutsu so it follows the same rules as other genjutsu and can be defeated like any other genjutsu. Genjutsu works by controling the chakra inside the target's head. It is dangerous because it's hard to detect.

Karin explained to us when Sasuke faced Danzo that when a person is placed under a genjutsu their chakra becomes unbalance/unstable -

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People who can sense chakra would feel their own chakra being unbalance/unstable.

Perfect Jin could counter it because when the ninja switch their chakra with the tail beast -

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to

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or merge their chakra together -

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- it would defeat the genjutsu.

Smh no.... High skill gen is unbreakable by even elite perfect jinks. Time-tsukuyomi, koto and infinite tsukuyomi being in that list. Itachi and shisui gen bypasses even elite sensory and even if they noticed, Time-tsukuyomi mind-rapes them before they can break it like kakashi said to chiyo.