Edo Rinnegans

[Rikudou Tobi]

So I know that there are a lot of theories on how the rinnegan works and all but every time when it comes to its capabilities, people give the occasional lecture of how all rinnegans use the six paths along with their signature move which doesn't make much sense to me.
Now someone told me the only reason why Madara never used shrina tensei and all is because he has edo tensei rinnegans. If that was the reason why, then why is nagato to do it with ease while Madara couldn't.

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And in edo tensei you are able to use all of your original techniques, including the unique ones.

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So for those who strongly believe that madara is capable of using those path jutsus, what is your reasoning for him being unable to do it when he was edo madara? Nagato was using his jutsus just fine.

 

[SenseiSama]

Edo Rinnegans aren't "real" which is why Madara lost them as soon as he got a living body. With Edo Rinnegan you can't use the eyes to their full extent either, he couldn't use Outer Path and Limbo

 

[oxtopus]

Because he awakened the rinnegan at old age and didn't have the amount years nagato had to learn and master those techniques.

 

[Remedy]

He wasn't unable, he did use preta path absorbing Naruto's RS, he just wasn't challeneged to use the rest I assume.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Edo Rinnegans aren't "real" which is why Madara lost them as soon as he got a living body. With Edo Rinnegan you can't use the eyes to their full extent either, he couldn't use Outer Path and Limbo

Yes, and yet Nagato's fake edo rinnegan was able to use absorbing, shrina tensei, endless summoning, and human path extraction.
He also did use Outerpath too.

Because he awakened the rinnegan at old age and didn't have the amount years nagato had to learn and master those techniques.

So he doesn't have it

He wasn't unable, he did use preta path absorbing Naruto's RS, he just wasn't challeneged to use the rest I assume.

His challenge was Hashirama beating his ass.

 

[Pyro NB]

Edo's aren't rezzed at full strength so it's possible that Limbo could only be achieved in living form. As far as Nagato goes idk what to say but plot hole I guess.

 

[oxtopus]

So he doesn't have it

He's has it,but probably didn't know how to use it,it was his first time using rinnegan to battle,it would be bs if he could already use all the techniques when it took nagato years to use them so well.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Edo's aren't rezzed at full strength so it's possible that Limbo could only be achieved in living form. As far as Nagato goes idk what to say but plot hole I guess.

Yeah he wasn't brought back at full strength but Kabuto said that they can use all their techniques but not at full power.

He's has it,but probably didn't know how to use it,it was his first time using rinnegan to battle,it would be bs if he could already use all the techniques when it took nagato years to use them so well.

Nagato didn't train years of using the paths, he was spending years with Jiraiya and learning everything he taught him.

 

[SenseiSama]

Yes, and yet Nagato's fake edo rinnegan was able to use absorbing, shrina tensei, endless summoning, and human path extraction.
He also did use Outerpath too.

Scan of Edo Nagato using Outer Path ? None. There's only one Gedo and only the real Rinnegan can summon it. Edo Nagato and Madara had Rinnegan feats because they died having Sage's power, not because they possessed the actual eyes.

And Nagato was using the Rinnegan to it's normal extent, it was nothing powerful, his CT was tiny af, his meteorite was the size of a boulder and he only used Preta to absorb a Rasengan.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Scan of Edo Nagato using Outer Path ? None. There's only one Gedo and only the real Rinnegan can summon it. Edo Nagato and Madara had Rinnegan feats because they died having Sage's power, not because they possessed the actual eyes.

I meant edo madara used Outer path rebirth.

And Nagato was using the Rinnegan to it's normal extent, it was nothing powerful, his CT was tiny af, his meteorite was the size of a boulder and he only used Preta to absorb a Rasengan.

Shrina tensei and bansho tenin is nothing powerful?

 

[DominiqueX]

As if Kishimoto cared about consistency. Edo Tensei itself is horrible explained as well.
Madara didn't show the six-paths techniques like Nagato did, because he would be even more OP than he already was. But I don't see why you still believe that Madara couldn't use the techniques that Nagato could? Nagato used Madara's eyes, he didn't invent these Rinnegan techniques. The power lies within the eyes, not the user. And we all know that it was implemented by Kishimoto that only the original user of the eyes could use their fullest potential, before he also spat on this rule in form of DMS Kakashi.

 

[SenseiSama]

I meant edo madara used Outer path rebirth.

He didn't, BZ forced Obito to use it on him

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Shrina tensei and bansho tenin is nothing powerful?

They are but Nagato didn't Deva to the same extent he did in Konoha

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

As if Kishimoto cared about consistency. Edo Tensei itself is horrible explained as well.
Madara didn't show the six-paths techniques like Nagato did, because he would be even more OP than he already was. But I don't see why you still believe that Madara couldn't use the techniques that Nagato could? Nagato used Madara's eyes, he didn't invent these Rinnegan techniques. The power lies within the eyes, not the user. And we all know that it was implemented by Kishimoto that only the original user of the eyes could use their fullest potential, before he also spat on this rule in form of DMS Kakashi.

DMS is one point I can bring up to debunk the eye thing you just mentioned.
I think he did invented it, he named it the six path of pain after all. Pain being his alter-ego.

He didn't, BZ forced Obito to use it on him

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That's not black zetsu. Black zetsu is over here.

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He waited until after Obito got extracted.

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They are but Nagato didn't Deva to the same extent he did in Konoha

Nagato is stronger than Deva path. Nagato used shrin tensei to blow away enemies he didn't need and banshou tenin to capture the bijuus. So its's not making much sense that he didn't need banshou tenin or shrina tensei. Because banshou tenin would've been useful to pull hashirama instead of chasing him with a rod. shrina tensei would've been better than that meteor he sent down too.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

As if Kishimoto cared about consistency. Edo Tensei itself is horrible explained as well.
Madara didn't show the six-paths techniques like Nagato did, because he would be even more OP than he already was. But I don't see why you still believe that Madara couldn't use the techniques that Nagato could? Nagato used Madara's eyes, he didn't invent these Rinnegan techniques. The power lies within the eyes, not the user. And we all know that it was implemented by Kishimoto that only the original user of the eyes could use their fullest potential, before he also spat on this rule in form of DMS Kakashi.

where exactly in the manga was this established?

 

[DominiqueX]

DMS is one point I can bring up to debunk the eye thing you just mentioned.
I think he did invented it, he named it the six path of pain after all. Pain being his alter-ego.

Okay, then we agree to disagree.

where exactly in the manga was this established?

Please read the manga and do your homework.

 

[rollin]

The only thing the bijuus said was they were surprised he could control the gedo mazo not use all paths with edo tenseis fake rinnegan and I think he did use shinera tensei as an edo

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

The only thing the bijuus said was they were surprised he could control the gedo mazo not use all paths with edo tenseis fake rinnegan and I think he did use shinera tensei as an edo

He never used shrina tensei once

 

[Illuminater]

This is from the narutopedia.

I'll take my leave.
When under the Impure World Reincarnation, Madara was unable to use all of his Rinnegan abilities. After being revived, and obtaining one of his actual eyes, he could summon and control the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path,[111] as well as generate a corporeal invisible shadow to aid him in battle. With senjutsu chakra, this shadow was powerful enough to physically hurt the tailed beasts.[112] With access to both of his Rinnegan, Madara could produce at least four shadows to aid him.[113]

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Okay, then we agree to disagree.


Please read the manga and do your homework.

so no where...I understand

 

[Angelic.]

Bc kishi pulled limbo out of his ass