Victim blaming 101

[Hawker]

Unbelievable. You're making excuses as a way to justify blaming her.

Have you ever tried working full time on minimum wage? I have, it was shit. It was the worst work I've ever done in my life.

Also it's Sans Fransisco. It's nearly impossible to live off a minimum wage.

You're blaming someone for being poor and telling them that they're not doing enough.

Just think about that for a second and reflect on how fundamentally wrong that is.

No you're not getting it. Geez can you be more simple minded? Those are not excuses but cold hard facts. You're the one making excuses to make her the victim. Only naive people would still try to victimize this girl. Everything is not given to you on a golden platter. You have to work hard. It's your own fault for getting a job in where you have to work long shifts with shitty pay. It's a world of choices. Dafuq you doing in San Francisco if you can't afford to live there? It's her own fault.

"It's nearly impossible to live off a minimum wage" Yet millions of people manage to do it every day.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Not surprised since it's FOX.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, you're using the excuse that she is poor, and mimimum wage sucks, and life is hard, to blame the company for firing her. When in actuality, while all those excuses may have merit, they aren't good reasons to go accusing your employer of not having your back and then expecting them not only to NOT FIRE YOU, but to GIVE YOU MORE MONEY?!

Shit like that is why we millennials have such a bad rep in the first place. Being poor is not a reason to be stupid.



See this right here lets me know this topic is too big for you anyway. You clearly don't have a lot of life experience. To answer your question yes I have. I've been in the workforce since I was 16. My first full-time job was a warehouse worker, mostly overnight, when I was 18, for minimum wage. After that I worked full-time at a K-Mart for mimimum, then at a grocery store when I finally started making more money as I moved up into management (funny how that works). I was and currently am still in school full-time. And I was doing volunteer hours for a lot of this period, though I'm currently not. And I'm still work full-time now even though my pay is now is a few dollars above minimum.

So yea as I said, it sucks, but no excuse to do something I should have enough common sense to know would put my job in jeopardy. Especially if money is my issue in the first place.



It's nearly impossible to live off minimum wage anywhere. In no state does the minimum currently match an actually living wage for that area. At least not to my knowledge. Regardless, the point isn't that she should be able to live off minimum wage. The point is to exhaust all areas for assistance before doing something you should know will cost you your job.



Again, her being poor isn't the issue I addressed at all.

Being poor isn't an excuse......

Also you're not a single mom and I'm pretty certain you still live with your parents who pay the mortgage.

Call me when you don't have enough money to sustain yourself and I'll tell you to work harder.

 

[Lightbringer]

No you're not getting it. Geez can you be more simple minded? Those are not excuses but cold hard facts. You're the one making excuses to make her the victim. Only naive people would still try to victimize this girl. Everything is not given to you on a golden platter. You have to work hard. It's your own fault for getting a job in where you have to work long shifts with shitty pay. It's a world of choices. Dafuq you doing in San Francisco if you can't afford to live there? It's her own fault.

"It's nearly impossible to live off a minimum wage" Yet millions of people manage to do it every day.

Wow ****ing brilliant! Standing ovation! Let me just applaud you good sir!

It's ok since millions of others are doing it everyday! Let's not take into the account that those millions of others are probably miserable because of it and millions more are in the same position as her.

Look at you. You're blaming her for getting a minimum wage job like most people have the luxury to choose.

Ummm maybe she was born in Sans Fransisco?

When you work hard enough and become a millionaire, let me know.

 

[Troyg39]

Being poor isn't an excuse......

Also you're not a single mom and I'm pretty certain you still live with your parents who pay the mortgage.

Call me when you don't have enough money to sustain yourself and I'll tell you to work harder.

I live alone actually. And no I'm not a single mom anymore than you are, I was just raised by one. And we were very poor. I still remember the awkwardness of being an intelligent and intuitive elementary school kid who knew his parent was struggling but was aware that as a child he shouldn't even be concerned with things like that. And in truth, I had no reason to be. You know why? Because even though I grew up watching her struggle, my mom, who was also on drugs while raising me, didn't doing anything she knew would be counter-productive to our already messed up situation.

Where one job wasn't enough, she worked two (and I'm talking off-the-radar type work). That didn't pay all the bills so she got government assistance. And for the longest time, she was very dependent on my grandmother's help along with other relatives. But she made it work. So sorry if I'm not sympathetic to this chick but if all she has is one job and a kid that's not enough for me to co-sign her risking her only source of income by coming at her job the way she did. Not when I saw first hand what a real single-mom with problems CAN AND WILL DO to make ends meet

The sad thing is you are really just talking out of your ass man. If you even had a clue as to what a minimum wage increase would actually do to a person in her position (it would likely price her out of that job market altogether, giving her less options and forcing her to find a tougher, higher paying job) you'd be singing a different tune

 

[Lightbringer]

I live alone actually. And no I'm not a single mom anymore than you are, I was just raised by one. And we were very poor. I still remember the awkwardness of being an intelligent and intuitive elementary school kid who knew his parent was struggling but was aware that as a child he shouldn't even be concerned with things like that. And in truth, I had no reason to be. You know why? Because even though I grew up watching her struggle, my mom, who was also on drugs while raising me, didn't doing anything she knew would be counter-productive to our already messed up situation.

Where one job wasn't enough, she worked two (and I'm talking off-the-radar type work). That didn't pay all the bills so she got government assistance. And for the longest time, she was very dependent on my grandmother's help along with other relatives. But she made it work. So sorry if I'm not sympathetic to this chick but if all she has is one job and a kid that's not enough for me to co-sign her risking her only source of income by coming at her job the way she did. Not when I saw first hand what a real single-mom with problems CAN AND WILL DO to make ends meet

The sad thing is you are really just talking out of your ass man. If you even had a clue as to what a minimum wage increase would actually do to a person in her position (it would likely price her out of that job market altogether, giving her less options and forcing her to find a tougher, higher paying job) you'd be singing a different tune

Easy to say online, therefore I highly doubt that.

Also you say it as if every individual is the same and faces the same conditions. What you have faced is not the same as someone else.

Also you act as though it's just up and easy to get another job.

You don't know her situation and yet you presume to say that you do and blame her for faults she may not have.

That's called victim blaming.

 

[chopstickchakra]

uhm..not adressing the actual issue here (firing), but who in the hell asks their boss for more money? You signed a contract, you knew what your pay was going to be so adjust all your other expences based on that or get another job or move into another apartment. Isn't the whole premise for this thing a bit silly and yes self centered?

You do know what raises are right? Or is this what we're trying to teach the next wave of labor, that you get your hiring wage and that's all you'll ever get there so don't expect more?

 

[demon of the leaf]

Someone who is desperate and poor.....

It's not easy finding another job just like that.

Also San Fransisco is an expensive city and again, finding an apartment that's cheap is near impossible.

One of the reasons why i choose to live out of the city

 

[demon of the leaf]

Easy to say online, therefore I highly doubt that.

Also you say it as if every individual is the same and faces the same conditions. What you have faced is not the same as someone else.

Also you act as though it's just up and easy to get another job.

You don't know her situation and yet you presume to say that you do and blame her for faults she may not have.

That's called victim blaming.

Sorry to say this but troy is right she is not a victim at all she felt entitled to the making more money and it dont work like that first of all you dont write to the company demanding more the lack of common sense she had is unbelievable if it wasnt cutting she should have gotten a 2nd job or a better paying one else where outside of the city where taxes are through the roof

 

[slimreaper]

minimum wage in san fran is 12.25

What are her skills? Why does she deserve more than 12.25 an hour?

 

[Lightbringer]

I love this.

All of these comments about how she doesn't deserve anything and that she's the one at fault here. Again, blaming the victim. The logic is that if I can't have it then no one can.

It really shows your character and it's really sad to see so many thoughtless individuals in one place.

It's honestly shameful.

 

[Troyg39]

I love this.

All of these comments about how she doesn't deserve anything and that she's the one at fault here. Again, blaming the victim. The logic is that if I can't have it then no one can.

It really shows your character and it's really sad to see so many thoughtless individuals in one place.

It's honestly shameful.

Dude...work on your reading comprehension please. It's not about her deserving more money. That was not an appropriate way to seek something from her employer.

There is nothing wrong with requesting a raise from your employer. But that's not what she did. I actually read the thing. She accused her employer of not caring about her and then blamed her personal circumstances, that the company did not create, on a low wage that she agreed to work for in the first place, in order to stress her need for more income.

Your problem is you clearly don't have enough work knowledge or experience to even comprehend how stupid it is to actually CHOOSE to post an open letter to your CEO on the internet, which automatically makes it a public image issue not only for the CEO but the entire company (hence the reason this is even news), and ask for more money by using your plight and their pay rate to publicly devalue the Company as an employer, and expect to keep your job, and get a raise. The irony is you think everyone is blaming her for being poor, but all you're doing is trying to blame the company for being a company.

I hate it that she's out of work now. I really do. Especially since she has a child to think about. But there are lots of women in that situation, who are actually PRAYING for a minimum wage job because right now that's all they can get and they have to do what they have to do. This chick made a choice that she should've known would put her only source of income in jeopardy. If you can just ask your mom if she would've done what this woman did knowing she had you to think about at home and see what she says.

No one cares about the woman's poor circumstances. Not because they're blaming her for being poor. It's because they have nothing to do with why she got fired. Being poor is not why she lost her job. Being unprofessional is. There's never an excuse to be unprofessional in the workforce. Not when there are others dying to take your place right now. Damn bro I can be as liberal as it gets but dude you take it to a whole different level. Please don't give any workforce advice to anyone. If you wanted to make a post about income inequality and corporate corruption you should've just done that. This is not an example of those things.

 

[Lightbringer]

Dude...work on your reading comprehension please. It's not about her deserving more money. That was not an appropriate way to seek something from her employer.

There is nothing wrong with requesting a raise from your employer. But that's not what she did. I actually read the thing. She accused her employer of not caring about her and then blamed her personal circumstances, that the company did not create, on a low wage that she agreed to work for in the first place, in order to stress her need for more income.

Your problem is you clearly don't have enough work knowledge or experience to even comprehend how stupid it is to actually CHOOSE to post an open letter to your CEO on the internet, which automatically makes it a public image issue not only for the CEO but the entire company (hence the reason this is even news), and ask for more money by using your plight and their pay rate to publicly devalue the Company as an employer, and expect to keep your job, and get a raise. The irony is you think everyone is blaming her for being poor, but all you're doing is trying to blame the company for being a company.

I hate it that she's out of work now. I really do. Especially since she has a child to think about. But there are lots of women in that situation, who are actually PRAYING for a minimum wage job because right now that's all they can get and they have to do what they have to do. This chick made a choice that she should've known would put her only source of income in jeopardy. If you can just ask your mom if she would've done what this woman did knowing she had you to think about at home and see what she says.

No one cares about the woman's poor circumstances. Not because they're blaming her for being poor. It's because they have nothing to do with why she got fired. Being poor is not why she lost her job. Being unprofessional is. There's never an excuse to be unprofessional in the workforce. Not when there are others dying to take your place right now. Damn bro I can be as liberal as it gets but dude you take it to a whole different level. Please don't give any workforce advice to anyone. If you wanted to make a post about income inequality and corporate corruption you should've just done that. This is not an example of those things.

Dude, I graduated college and already have a career. I probably have more work experience than 90% of the members here.

Second of all, you're acting like she just agreed willy nilly. Maybe she didn't have a choice because that was the only job she could find.

Being fired for an open letter to a CEO is not a valid reason in any shape or form. I've had fights with my employers before but I can't get fired unless if I break the rules.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Dude...work on your reading comprehension please. It's not about her deserving more money. That was not an appropriate way to seek something from her employer.

There is nothing wrong with requesting a raise from your employer. But that's not what she did. I actually read the thing. She accused her employer of not caring about her and then blamed her personal circumstances, that the company did not create, on a low wage that she agreed to work for in the first place, in order to stress her need for more income.

Your problem is you clearly don't have enough work knowledge or experience to even comprehend how stupid it is to actually CHOOSE to post an open letter to your CEO on the internet, which automatically makes it a public image issue not only for the CEO but the entire company (hence the reason this is even news), and ask for more money by using your plight and their pay rate to publicly devalue the Company as an employer, and expect to keep your job, and get a raise. The irony is you think everyone is blaming her for being poor, but all you're doing is trying to blame the company for being a company.

I hate it that she's out of work now. I really do. Especially since she has a child to think about. But there are lots of women in that situation, who are actually PRAYING for a minimum wage job because right now that's all they can get and they have to do what they have to do. This chick made a choice that she should've known would put her only source of income in jeopardy. If you can just ask your mom if she would've done what this woman did knowing she had you to think about at home and see what she says.

No one cares about the woman's poor circumstances. Not because they're blaming her for being poor. It's because they have nothing to do with why she got fired. Being poor is not why she lost her job. Being unprofessional is. There's never an excuse to be unprofessional in the workforce. Not when there are others dying to take your place right now. Damn bro I can be as liberal as it gets but dude you take it to a whole different level. Please don't give any workforce advice to anyone. If you wanted to make a post about income inequality and corporate corruption you should've just done that. This is not an example of those things.

Lmfao she accused for her own problems? She deserved to get fired. I almost sympathized.

 

[Troyg39]

Dude, I graduated college and already have a career. I probably have more work experience than 90% of the members here.

Second of all, you're acting like she just agreed willy nilly. Maybe she didn't have a choice because that was the only job she could find.

Being fired for an open letter to a CEO is not a valid reason in any shape or form. I've had fights with my employers before but I can't get fired unless if I break the rules.

You've officially won the troll games. Stay thirsty bro. And God good luck on your future endeavors

 

[Iruka]

Just a heads up to people discussing this, there are two separate women involved. The person who couldn't afford groceries and asked for rent donations is not the same as the single mother whose partner was in the ICU.

How would she move out with no money? She doesn't have enough to pay for groceries.

How would she get a better education with no money and a a full-time job? She's also a single-mom.....

Your opening post refers to Talia Ben-Ora who authored

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. The single mother was Jaymee Senigaglia who authored

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[Lightbringer]

Just a heads up to people discussing this, there are two separate women involved. The person who couldn't afford groceries and asked for rent donations is not the same as the single mother whose partner was in the ICU.


Your opening post refers to Talia Ben-Ora who authored

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. The single mother was Jaymee Senigaglia who authored

You must be registered for see links

.

Guess I've missed that. Thanks for the clear up.

 

[slimreaper]

Dude, I graduated college and already have a career. I probably have more work experience than 90% of the members here.

Second of all, you're acting like she just agreed willy nilly. Maybe she didn't have a choice because that was the only job she could find.

Being fired for an open letter to a CEO is not a valid reason in any shape or form. I've had fights with my employers before but I can't get fired unless if I break the rules.

It was a minimum wage job. Seriously, their everywhere. either you agree that raising the minimum wage ****s with employment opportunities, or you agree to this premise...


Lets say she does get a raise... is everyone who asks granted a raise now? or Is she special?

 

[Lightbringer]

It was a minimum wage job. Seriously, their everywhere. either you agree that raising the minimum wage ****s with employment opportunities, or you agree to this premise...


Lets say she does get a raise... is everyone who asks granted a raise now? or Is she special?

I think being paid minimum wage at a full time job is deplorable. So yes.

A minimum wage is not a livable wage. You cannot survive off it on your own or at least you'll be living a very miserable and desperate life.

 

[slimreaper]

I think being paid minimum wage at a full time job is deplorable. So yes.

A minimum wage is not a livable wage. You cannot survive off it on your own or at least you'll be living a very miserable and desperate life.

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