[Discussion] Why did NATO attack Gaddafi

[Hawker]

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free
for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are
state-owned and loans given
to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya –
Gaddafi vowed that his parents
would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a
home. Gaddafi’s father has
died while him, his wife and his mother are still living
in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$
50,000 ) by the government
to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in
Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25%
of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career,
they would receive farming
land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and
livestock to kick- start their farms
– all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical
facilities they need in Libya,
the government funds them to go abroad for it –
not only free but they get US
$2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government
subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves
amount to $150 billion – now
frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after
graduation the state would
pay the average salary of the profession as if he or
she is employed until
employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to
the bank accounts of all
Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US
$5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation
project, known as the Great
Man-Made River project, to make water readily
available throughout the desert

Things Gaddafi did for his people.

Gaddafi was killed for democracy,where politicians play dirty game giving people illusion of freedom.
Gaddafi was killed for making alliance with many African nations, giving USA fear...
Gaddafi was killed as he ruled well but oppressed some class of people in Libya...
Gaddafi was killed as people felt bored after 42 years

Source for all this?

 

[Wabbit]

Civil war and shit

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NATO was just enforcing resolution. Which no one voted against.

 

[Reraru]

Damn media don't tell you that, I guess people abroad would be outrage and look for the rest to follow their example.

Makes me want to go to Libya.

Libya isn't in that good condition anymore.

 

[Reraru]

Source for all this?

Even if I don't live in Libya I know it. Google it.

 

[Hawker]

Even if I don't live in Libya I know it. Google it.

Sure. And what are your sources? What you mean is that you googled it and you came across a list which you thought seemed cool and you copypasted it. Do you have any actual official sources for your claims?

Here is a source that refutes all of your points as rumours, jokes or just purely untrue:

"Lies spread by stupid people about Libya, which is happy that the outdated system with which the dictator Gadaffi ruled the country for decades is gone now!

I dont know why, i think mainly because he hold up a system which was similar to the one of the former eastern block (some kind of socialism) some oldfashioned dinosaurs still thinking that this system is the best still sing halleluja, when they hear Gadaffi...

Here are some rumours and the truth, written by a real Libyan":

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And this link:

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tells us that he is a Libyan dentist who has worked in Cardiff, Wales for many years. He is one of the most well respected members of the uprising.

So while this may not be an official source I have more reason to believe that your list is not true than to believe it to be true.

So please don't declare knowing something when you see a list on a blog.

 

[Reraru]

Sure. And what are your sources? What you mean is that you googled it and you came across a list which you thought seemed cool and you copypasted it. Do you have any actual official sources for your claims?

Here is a source that refutes all of your points as rumours, jokes or just purely untrue:

"Lies spread by stupid people about Libya, which is happy that the outdated system with which the dictator Gadaffi ruled the country for decades is gone now!

I dont know why, i think mainly because he hold up a system which was similar to the one of the former eastern block (some kind of socialism) some oldfashioned dinosaurs still thinking that this system is the best still sing halleluja, when they hear Gadaffi...

Here are some rumours and the truth, written by a real Libyan":

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And this link:

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tells us that he is a Libyan dentist who has worked in Cardiff, Wales for many years. He is one of the most well respected members of the uprising.

So while this may not be an official source I have more reason to believe that your list is not true than to believe it to be true.

*Face palm* don't believe me. It's the truth tho. Idk where you get your informations. All Arab countries have these kind of things according to how rich their economy is. Here students get paid for studying and other stuff as well.

 

[WoldOfFingo]

Even if I don't live in Libya I know it. Google it.

Yea. Let's all trust the person who thinks the death penalty for gays is justified.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Yeah, they fight amongst themselves; sheer madness.

OT: Because Gaddafi was mad and dangerous. A serial rapist (esp. of underage), murderer and torturer, he and his cronies made plans to starve areas of Libya and bombard Misrata (and from Gaddafi's own lips "turn the blue sea red").

No interest on loans, free electricity so what? "Oh he's given us free leccy, so I'm sure we can overlook the odd murder or rape" - is that how it is? 'Cause it was that same system he created that made Libya's economy hit nil and the money pit empty.

NATO intervened because Gaddafi was killing his own people. As far as he was concerned, anyone who questioned (or those he didn't like) him were to be killed or booted out. He even killed those who tried to flee their own country for their lives.

It's just a shame NATO were slow to act.

I really doubt he did those things. NATO doesn' care about the well being of other nations. The moment he died they left that place in chaos and the news coverage stopped as if everything was solved.

 

[Angelic.]

Bc he stole my sweet roll

 

[Robot Boy]

Yea. Let's all trust the person who thinks the death penalty for gays is justified.

Let's not get off topic here.

 

[Hell Autarch]

Sure. And what are your sources? What you mean is that you googled it and you came across a list which you thought seemed cool and you copypasted it. Do you have any actual official sources for your claims?

Here is a source that refutes all of your points as rumours, jokes or just purely untrue:

"Lies spread by stupid people about Libya, which is happy that the outdated system with which the dictator Gadaffi ruled the country for decades is gone now!

I dont know why, i think mainly because he hold up a system which was similar to the one of the former eastern block (some kind of socialism) some oldfashioned dinosaurs still thinking that this system is the best still sing halleluja, when they hear Gadaffi...

Here are some rumours and the truth, written by a real Libyan":

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And this link:

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tells us that he is a Libyan dentist who has worked in Cardiff, Wales for many years. He is one of the most well respected members of the uprising.

So while this may not be an official source I have more reason to believe that your list is not true than to believe it to be true.

So please don't declare knowing something when you see a list on a blog.

Yeah, I'm sure that the Libyan people are very happy that Gaddafi is gone and now they've a four-way civil war between Tribals, Al Qaeda, ISIS and the Libyan Military, the latter which btw doesn't even control the capital of Libya.

 

[Omar19992010]

Because he wasn't a puppet and due to that fact they had to take him out.

There trying to do the same thing to Assad but thankfully he has Putin backing him.

 

[Hawker]

*Face palm* don't believe me. It's the truth tho. Idk where you get your informations. All Arab countries have these kind of things according to how rich their economy is. Here students get paid for studying and other stuff as well.

I'm still waiting for the source for those claims. If it's the truth indeed then you have no trouble finding it.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Source for all this?

A quick google research solves this.

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While that is not necessarily a reliable source, you can find these from more reliable ones:

"Gaddafi's regime, though denigrated by the West, created the highest standard of living in Africa, with public health care, financial assistance for families, university scholarships, a jobs program and benefits that the Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York and London can only dream of."

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From 1977 onward, per capita income in the country rose to more than US $11,000, the fifth-highest in Africa, while the Human Development Index became the highest in Africa and greater than that of Saudi Arabia.This was achieved without borrowing any foreign loans, keeping Libya debt-free.The Great Manmade River was also built to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country.In addition, financial support was provided for university scholarships and employment programs.

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Gaddafi's efforts also improved the average health of Libyans. In 2009, the CIA's World Factbook showed the average life expectancy of a Libyan to be 77 years (only one year less than that of an American citizen).

The government also built a trans-Sahara water pipeline from major aquifers to both a network of reservoirs and the towns of Tripoli, Sirte and Benghazi in 2006–2007, ending the city's water shortages, caused by the rising urban population. It is part of the Great Manmade River project, started in 1984. It is pumping large resources of water from the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System to both urban populations and new irrigation projects around the country.

This same oil revenue, however, made possible a substantial improvement in the lives of virtually all Libyans. During the 1970s, the government succeeded in making major improvements in the general welfare of its citizens. By the 1980s Libyans enjoyed much improved housing and education, comprehensive social welfare services, and general standards of health that were among the highest in Africa.

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Of course this has not much to do with OP's question as to why was Gaddafi killed. Some say for being a dictator and for his war crimes, some say because the oil. Some say it's the mixture of both. Fact remains that Lybia seems to had been improving under his rule, but I guess one could argue at what cost, and for how long could it have been maintained. Who knows. Gaddafi doesn't seem to have been innocent (no politician is), but he was not that bad I guess. Anyway, I've heard that he financed Sarkozy's campaign, and he (Gaddafi) was foolish enough to openly admit it, and the French military planes had taken of sooner than the UN resolution was born :yeah:

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[Hawker]

A quick google research solves this.

No it doesn't. There wasn't a single source there that would validate those exact claims.

For those exact claims there are several sites that post the exact same list, but it is not further explained or validated with official sources.

Your other points have little to do with that list.

 

[Ripple Hole]

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free
for all its citizens.

2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are
state-owned and loans given
to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.

3. Home considered a human right in Libya –
Gaddafi vowed that his parents
would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a
home. Gaddafi’s father has
died while him, his wife and his mother are still living
in a tent.

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$
50,000 ) by the government
to buy their first apartment so to help start up the
family.

5. Education and medical treatments are free in
Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25%
of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.

6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career,
they would receive farming
land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and
livestock to kick- start their farms
– all for free.

7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical
facilities they need in Libya,
the government funds them to go abroad for it –
not only free but they get US
$2, 300/mth accommodation and car allowance.

8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government
subsidized 50% of the price.

9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0. 14 per liter.

10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves
amount to $150 billion – now
frozen globally.

11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after
graduation the state would
pay the average salary of the profession as if he or
she is employed until
employment is found.

12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to
the bank accounts of all
Libyan citizens.

13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US
$5 ,000

14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15

15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree

16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation
project, known as the Great
Man-Made River project, to make water readily
available throughout the desert

Things Gaddafi did for his people.

Gaddafi was killed for democracy,where politicians play dirty game giving people illusion of freedom.
Gaddafi was killed for making alliance with many African nations, giving USA fear...
Gaddafi was killed as he ruled well but oppressed some class of people in Libya...
Gaddafi was killed as people felt bored after 42 years

I'd be impressed if something like that could keep up for 2 years.

 

[Scooby Doo]

No it doesn't. There wasn't a single source there that would validate those exact claims.

For those exact claims there are several sites that post the exact same list, but it is not further explained or validated with official sources.

Your other points have little to do with that list.

The thing is, originally you asked for a 'source'- you didn't add 'official'. If you already knew the sites with this list, why didn't you specify that you are asking for further validation? Anyway, as I admitted, that site is not really reliable, and I'm not here to argue that the list is true, most probably at least some points are fabricated, but some points must be true. Lybia had the highest living standards, the highest GDP/capita, the highest life expectancy in Africa under Gaddafi, there was free water indeed and the country had no debt.

Other than that, it's funny you're asking for official sources, considering you yourself posted blogs that are admittedly not 'official sources'.