[Predictions] One Piece Manga Chapter 817 Discussion and 818 Predictions

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well in One Piece you have a 50/50 chance to become an awesome character or look like a gimmick. And he even jokes with it because even Usopp was expecting more.

Don't get salty because Oda trolled you by hyping him as a real ninja for 5 chapters and you took the bait. You should've known better.
I'm not salty that Oda trolled me, I'm calling something that was disappointing and ugly disappointing and ugly. Don't see why people like you and Caliburn having a problem with people having opinions on a character's appearance. Why do you care if I find Raizou ugly? I know full and well that Oda might make a character look gimmicky. That doesn't mean it's not still disappointing to people, and it doesn't look ugly.
 
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Zoro and Law made that Raizou scene.

Zoro's request sounded like he was telling him to kill himself lool.
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And Law's request was actually fulfilled, he seemed to take it very seriously lmao.
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This chapter was so bad! 0/5 Holy Sh*t! 1 week of break was not worth it.

And what's up with Raizou having the Wonder Woman logo in is head? wtf...
I'm not talking about the scar; I am talking about the hair. I don't know why you assumed I was talking about the scar.

I am not a OP-tard rating every chapter 5/5. Lol stfu.

The red poneglyph was interesting, but overall the chapter was average and boring.
don't know what made me assume
yes just because someone likes one chapter it means theey probably think all chapters are 5/5....and nah freedom of speech dude

so an average chapter = 0/5??? ok cool story
 
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I'm not salty that Oda trolled me, I'm calling something that was disappointing and ugly disappointing and ugly. Don't see why people like you and Caliburn having a problem with people having opinions on a character's appearance. Why do you care if I find Raizou ugly? I know full and well that Oda might make a character look gimmicky. That doesn't mean it's not still disappointing to people, and it doesn't look ugly.
Based on your reaction, you clearly are as otherwise you wouldn't be so overly aggressive and find it needed to unnecessarily bash Raizou like he's some kind of horrible freak of nature that should be put down. People are free to like or dislike any character they want. The only point I was trying to make, was that people are giving off the impression that Oda promised Raizou would be everyone's new favourite character, while in fact the only importance Raizou had so far was whether he was now on Zou or not because that's why Jack was there. The fact that Oda continuously makes characters like these, and Raizou is probably not even the weirdest one, you really could have expected this to happen.

You don't have to like him, but having misplaced expectations was largely your own fault and it's certainly not needed to severely bash him like you are doing. To be honest I think Oda based Raizou's looks on André the Giant, someone who really existed.
 

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- First things first, Jacks return was not surprising. Although i wished he had lost a limb. That said, i can understand why the marines escorting doflamingo didn't kill Jack. Its to prevent a war with kaidou, thats last thing the world govt wants at the moment, so they just defended themselves and thats how jack got so injured (his whole body is bandaged)

- Secondly, momonosuke being some top dude wasn't surprising. If doflamingo was after him , i knew theyd have to be a reason. Now we know.

- Thirdly, raizou is one ugly looking motherfker! Daaaaamn daniel, oda trolled us hard! But i get the comedic satire, heck even Law insisted to see the kage bunshin no jutsu! Lol

- Fourthly, fk yes! Another Poneglph! A red one at that. I hope next chapter or soon robin explains what it says not just vaguely be like oh its about that but not expand on whats shes said.

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Now that we have met raizou, its time to decide the dispatch teams .

1. Raizou, Kinnemon, Momosuke, Kanjourou go back to Wano. ( no threat from doflamingo anymore, and they are quite capable of handling themselves if they can use haki and are swordsman from the feared wano country)

2. Luffy, Franky, Nami, Brook and Chopper go to big mums party to rescue Sanji.

3. Law, Robin, Zoro, Usopp remain on the island in case any kaidou forces remerge alongside Nekomamushi and Inurashi
 

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Based on your reaction, you clearly are as otherwise you wouldn't be so overly aggressive and find it needed to unnecessarily bash Raizou like he's some kind of horrible freak of nature that should be put down.
Wait what? I'm sorry, was there a chance our comments hurt Raizou's feelings? Should I find Betty Crocker and ask her to bake him a cake so he feels better? He's a drawing.

People are free to like or dislike any character they want. The only point I was trying to make, was that people are giving off the impression that Oda promised Raizou would be everyone's new favourite character,
Not a single person said this. Ever. Nor are we acting like this. This is a One Piece Chapter 817 Discussion thread. It's meant for us to discuss something that happened in the chapter, and express on our opinions on them. And something that happened in this chapter is the reveal of Raizou's appearance. So we are commenting on that, and it's an ugly design, so we are calling it ugly.

Something I've noticed is that whenever a person says character XYZ is ugly when he's first revealed is people like you and Love Cook going "Oda introduces ugly characters all the time, why are you surprised?" But whenever a chapter is super funny and people point out they found it super funny, no one goes "Oda does funny stuff all the time, why are you surprised?" When a character's design is badass, like Kaidou's, and people say they find it badass, no one goes "Oda makes badass characters all the time." When people love the action of a chapter, no one goes "Oda makes awesome action all the time, why are you surprised?" Because none of those are surprise and Oda doing what we didn't expect, it's because it's something that happened in the chapter, and this thread is meant to talk about the things that have happened in this chapter.

You and Love Cook don't have to jump to dispute any and everything you see.

while in fact the only importance Raizou had so far was whether he was now on Zou or not because that's why Jack was there. The fact that Oda continuously makes characters like these, and Raizou is probably not even the weirdest one, you really could have expected this to happen.
Didn't even get to this part of the post when I wrote the last section, but welp, there it is. Next time I see people commenting on anything that happens in a chapter, I'll just reply "Oda has done this before, why are you commenting on it?"

You don't have to like him,
You shouldn't care.

but having misplaced expectations was largely your own fault and it's certainly not needed to severely bash him like you are doing
Why is calling an ugly character ugly an issue? He was drawn intentionally to be an ugly letdown. Comments saying that he's ugly or disappointing are simply acknowledging that Oda accomplished what he was going for.
 
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Something I've noticed is that whenever a person says character XYZ is ugly when he's first revealed is people like you and Love Cook going "Oda introduces ugly characters all the time, why are you surprised?" But whenever a chapter is super funny and people point out they found it super funny, no one goes "Oda does funny stuff all the time, why are you surprised?" When a character's design is badass, like Kaidou's, and people say they find it badass, no one goes "Oda makes badass characters all the time." When people love the action of a chapter, no one goes "Oda makes awesome action all the time, why are you surprised?" Because none of those are surprise and Oda doing what we didn't expect, it's because it's something that happened in the chapter, and this thread is meant to talk about the things that have happened in this chapter.

What you're forgetting in your argumentation is that you're criticizing something that has been going on for 17 years. You draw a parallel to humor and cool designs, which also have been part of one piece since the start, but it doesn't work that way.

No one would ever point out if a chapter was TOO funny, and people would respond like oh well that is One piece for ya. But you were close because Oda also has a bit of a history of making sexist jokes that are criticized, and the common reaction is then most of the time, well this is a Japanese manga for the target audience for boys 16-25, you're bound to come across that stuff once in a while. Or the Sanji nosebleed jokes, you know it is a part of Sanji's gimmick and every time you read the new chapter and see 1 tiny panel of Sanji with a bloody nose, you know there is that 1 guy in the thread complaining about it.

Bottom line, you know it's part of the story and the fact that you're salty because of a 17 year old running gag is really on you. Also you complain that he is too ugly and that is what Oda was ever, it was an inside joke pulled on Franky, Usopp and Luffy. So if you think he is ugly that means Oda did a good job, because that was the point.
 

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What you're forgetting in your argumentation is that you're criticizing something that has been going on for 17 years.
This matters less than 0%. DBZ has had weak plotlines for decades, that doesn't make it any less valid to say current DBZ has a weak storyline.

Naruto has been pumping out fillers for over 10 years, that doesn't make it any less valid to say that Naruto is pumping out a ridiculous amount of filler recently.

Just because a story has been doing a thing for a long time doesn't mean that that thing is no longer that thing. Oda can introduce ugly characters for 200 years, an ugly character in the 201st year is still gonna be an ugly character.


You draw a parallel to humor and cool designs, which also have been part of one piece since the start, but it doesn't work that way.
Yes it does. If you can't criticize something just because it's been happening for 17 years, then you also can't praise something because it too has been happening for 17 years. Praise and criticism are forever and will forever be two sides of the same coin. Nothing you say will ever change that.

No one would ever point out if a chapter was TOO funny
Probably because the concept of too funny doesn't exist for a manga that's partly comedic in genre, but sure, that makes sense. A+

But you were close because Oda also has a bit of a history of making sexist jokes that are criticized, and the common reaction is then most of the time, well this is a Japanese manga for the target audience for boys 16-25, you're bound to come across that stuff once in a while. Or the Sanji nosebleed jokes, you know it is a part of Sanji's gimmick and every time you read the new chapter and see 1 tiny panel of Sanji with a bloody nose, you know there is that 1 guy in the thread complaining about it.
Wow this is all so irrelevant. Except for the Sanji part, and that's only because the Sanji nosebleeds aren't funny anymore and have worn out their welcome, which is why people complain about it.

Bottom line, you know it's part of the story and the fact that you're salty because of a 17 year old running gag is really on you.
Once again, no one was salty that Raizou was ugly. People were calling an ugly character ugly. That's not saltiness, that's calling a white cloud a white cloud. People were saying they were disappointed in Raizou's design. Which is the point.
Oda intentionally created a character with a lame, ugly design, and people were going "Yeah, he nailed it. It is indeed lame and ugly." And you and Caliburn have a problem with that because I guess negativity and complaining creates discussion?
Also you complain that he is too ugly
Again, where did I complain? Saying a character that was intentionally drawn to be ugly is ugly isn't complaining. I have no problem with Raizou being an ugly character. I said I was disappointed because Raizou's design was crafted to intentionally disappoint. Once again, the comments about Raizou being a letdown are people going "Oda succeeded in what he was going for."

and that is what Oda was ever, it was an inside joke pulled on Franky, Usopp and Luffy. So if you think he is ugly that means Oda did a good job, because that was the point.
Good job, your brain is working those pistons.
 

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What you're forgetting in your argumentation is that you're criticizing something that has been going on for 17 years. You draw a parallel to humor and cool designs, which also have been part of one piece since the start, but it doesn't work that way.

No one would ever point out if a chapter was TOO funny, and people would respond like oh well that is One piece for ya. But you were close because Oda also has a bit of a history of making sexist jokes that are criticized, and the common reaction is then most of the time, well this is a Japanese manga for the target audience for boys 16-25, you're bound to come across that stuff once in a while. Or the Sanji nosebleed jokes, you know it is a part of Sanji's gimmick and every time you read the new chapter and see 1 tiny panel of Sanji with a bloody nose, you know there is that 1 guy in the thread complaining about it.

Bottom line, you know it's part of the story and the fact that you're salty because of a 17 year old running gag is really on you. Also you complain that he is too ugly and that is what Oda was ever, it was an inside joke pulled on Franky, Usopp and Luffy. So if you think he is ugly that means Oda did a good job, because that was the point.
How does him having a simple opinion make him salty?

I think Raizou is ugly af.. and I also agree with you that Oda did an excellent job on it.. the Luffy, Usopp, Chopper, and Franky disappointment is hilarious! Raizou is ugly. He's meant to be ugly. Okay cool.. why would you call someone "salty" for just saying that the character is ugly?

Lol I don't get it.. I'm sorry.. this IS a discussion thread for the new chapter after all. I just don't understand why you're getting on someone's case just because they stated their opinion on a design.. it's not like he talked shit about Oda in anyway.. Oda made Raizou like that on purpose.. so Oda did a great job. If we as fans think that Raizou is ugly and a disappointment, then that means we're just like the StrawHats, and Oda is an awesome Mangaka. Lol
 

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How does him having a simple opinion make him salty?

I think Raizou is ugly af.. and I also agree with you that Oda did an excellent job on it.. the Luffy, Usopp, Chopper, and Franky disappointment is hilarious! Raizou is ugly. He's meant to be ugly. Okay cool.. why would you call someone "salty" for just saying that the character is ugly?

Lol I don't get it.. I'm sorry.. this IS a discussion thread for the new chapter after all. I just don't understand why you're getting on someone's case just because they stated their opinion on a design.. it's not like he talked shit about Oda in anyway.. Oda made Raizou like that on purpose.. so Oda did a great job. If we as fans think that Raizou is ugly and a disappointment, then that means we're just like the StrawHats, and Oda is an awesome Mangaka. Lol
Spot on.
 

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Once again, no one was salty that Raizou was ugly.


Again, where did I complain? Saying a character that was intentionally drawn to be ugly is ugly isn't complaining. I have no problem with Raizou being an ugly character.
This will be my last post on the matter since everything is in the previous comment of mine.

You complained and said Raiou was ugly in this post:

Damn, Raizou is one buttugly bastard. Was also letdown, but I enjoyed the chapter overall. Really excited for this Poneglyph and glad Kinemon's tattoo wasn't some new mystery. 3.5/5 for me.


Just because it's expected doesn't mean it isn't super ugly and less satisfactory than a badass appearance.
If it looks like an ugly duck, walks like an ugly duck, and sounds like an ugly duck.
You called him a letdown and a butt ugly bastard, and it would e more satisfying if he was more badass.

You can take my post apart sentence for sentence but sadly you missed the point. It already became painfully clear with your first argument about DBZ. Because if you would be watching the final arc of DBZ and say that the current arc has a weak plot then of course that is to be expected.

I'm fine with actual opinions, but just saying it would be more badass if Raizou was better looking is just silly after 2 decades of One Piece.
 

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This will be my last post on the matter since everything is in the previous comment of mine.

You complained and said Raiou was ugly in this post:



You called him a letdown and a butt ugly bastard, and it would e more satisfying if he was more badass.

You can take my post apart sentence for sentence but sadly you missed the point. It already became painfully clear with your first argument about DBZ. Because if you would be watching the final arc of DBZ and say that the current arc has a weak plot then of course that is to be expected.

I'm fine with actual opinions, but just saying it would be more badass if Raizou was better looking is just silly after 2 decades of One Piece.
Don't see the logic in this.

OT: Raizou was an unexpected character, specially since many expected a Kunoichi lmao. I too felt unpleased initially, but by the end of the chapter Raizou already grew on me. It's his character and not his appearance that makes him be.
 

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This will be my last post on the matter since everything is in the previous comment of mine.

You complained and said Raiou was ugly in this post:



You called him a letdown and a butt ugly bastard, and it would e more satisfying if he was more badass.

You can take my post apart sentence for sentence but sadly you missed the point. It already became painfully clear with your first argument about DBZ. Because if you would be watching the final arc of DBZ and say that the current arc has a weak plot then of course that is to be expected.

I'm fine with actual opinions, but just saying it would be more badass if Raizou was better looking is just silly after 2 decades of One Piece.
Man your reading comprehension sucks. Once again, I was not complaining about Raizou being ugly or a letdown. I see no reason to complain because it was done on purpose. I was simply stating that a character that was created to be ugly and a letdown was done so successfully. Do you understand that basic concept now?

Am I satisfied by his design? No, it does nothing for me. And that was kind of the point. It wasn't meant to be satisfactory, it wasn't meant to be cool, it wasn't meant to make you hype, so it is inherently less satisfying than a design that would be made to be badass. Oda wasn't teasing some badass design, so I'm not complaining about it, but it doesn't satisfy me either because it wasn't made to.

Stop looking for things to whine and cry about.
 
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Don't see the logic in this.

OT: Raizou was an unexpected character, specially since many expected a Kunoichi lmao. I too felt unpleased initially, but by the end of the chapter Raizou already grew on me. It's his character and not his appearance that makes him be.
Same here! xd His character and personality make me like him already! Lol So far I like him better than anyone else from the Kanjuro/momo crew.
 

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Man your reading comprehension sucks. Once again, I was not complaining about Raizou being ugly or a letdown. I see no reason to complain because it was done on purpose. I was simply stating that a character that was created to be ugly and a letdown was done so successfully. Do you understand that basic concept now?

Am I satisfied by his design? No, it does nothing for me. And that was kind of the point. It wasn't meant to be satisfactory, it wasn't meant to be cool, it wasn't meant to make you hype, so it is inherently less satisfying than a design that would be made to be badass. Oda wasn't teasing some badass design, so I'm not complaining about it, but it doesn't satisfy me either because it wasn't made to.

Stop looking for things to whine and cry about.
I was the first one to tell you what the basic concept was while you were still calling him a letdown on page 2. Suddenly you made a 180 and now are trying to somehow turn this on me by saying that I don't get Oda's choice of making him ugly. However I said that in post #50 of this thread. Too bad that everyone can just go back and read that you're just talking out of your ass now.

Also I'm not the one whining and crying.

Your own literal words are:

"Just because it's expected doesn't mean it isn't super ugly and less satisfactory than a badass appearance."

So cry more about how Oda's ugly character isn't satisfying you enough. Don't put that on me salty little shit.
 
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