Top 10 AssPulls

[Avani]

No, we can't say "she just didn't know". That is stupid.
Back then, it was an absolute rule but Kishimoto changed his mind, which causes this inconsitency. She knew what she was doing and you can't tell me that Konoha, or any other country that had a Bijuu for decades, just didn't know such a simple thing.

Naruto is the only exception from this rule, which makes him the failure, not everyone else.

Yes we can. Because we have no reason to believe that Kushina was Omniscient being that knew everything. Not even Sage of the six path knew everything while he was alive( he overlooked BZ).

There is no such thing as an absolute rule- There are only general rules applicable to the majority. You can disagree of course but you cannot tell us not to tell you how we see the whole situation. That would be stupid.

Any writer can change the narrative and add extra facts - it's his right if wants to add additional stuff or take story in another direction. Kushina nor we were supposed to have figured out whole story and every fact yet. As Itachi said:

"Every human being relies on and is bounded by his knowledge and experience to live. This is what we call “reality”. However, knowledge and experience are ambiguous, thus reality can become illusion."

#You overlook the fact that only a handful of the jinchurikies were classed as a perfect jinchiriki
# most were at odd with the beast inside them. They used to face a constant battle for chakra and the tailed beasts didn't give it for free.
#Most people die instantly the moment bijju is taken out and you cannot put it in a dead body. On top of it,-
# -usually the people who pulled out a beast out of a jinchuriki did not do so with the intention of putting it back in the guy either.
# Those who care for the guy won't pull it out just for checking out and risk his death and
#the jinchuriiki will fight the rest and won't agree to such a suggestion that easily.
#the pool of suitable people to succeed as a jinchuriki has always been limited to begin with.
#Kushina was a strong jinchuriki not a perfect Jin and 9tailes was angry and trying to kill her- either she would have died along with him or he would taken her over in her weakened state. He wouldn't wait for her to recover and aid her so she was most likely done for.
#and most importantly Kurama was willing to cooperate and wanted to save his jinchuriki when he was put back - Naruto has earned that cooperation (I can remember only Killer B and the dead monk jin of Shukaku so far in perfect companionship but they do not meet the other conditions nor were tested) and survived long enough to let the plan be executed thanks to Gara, Sakura, Obito, Gai, Kurama half and what not.

#Thus Naruto is unique in more than one ways since he also had chakra willingly given by other beasts and was not really out of all the tailed beast chakra. None of the previous jinchuriki since the sage of the six path had had that. His uniqueness and success makes him the hero of the series and the legend he became.

So your definition of 'failure' has got it, up-side down. U_U

 

[BINIBULL]

CM Senjutsu Susanoo is an asspull because think of all the training Naruto went through to master Sage Mode, then out of nowhere Sasuke does it easily. There's absolutely NO LOGIC behind this.

 

[Styles]

CM Senjutsu Susanoo is an asspull because think of all the training Naruto went through to master Sage Mode, then out of nowhere Sasuke does it easily. There's absolutely NO LOGIC behind this.

Except Sasuke has been dealing with senjutsu longer than Naruto have. He's been getting accustomed to it since forest of death all the way to the Itachi fight. His body was naturally accustomed to it.

 

[chaos control]

None of them are butt pulls

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Obito did nothing the sage of six paths didn't do. If DMS kakashi is an asspull so was hogoromo giving sasuke and naruto power ops must be considered one as well, you might as well add it to the list.

I agree though, asspulls litter the manga number one should be BZ or izanami

Ghost Obito and ghost Rin were indeed asspulls.

 

[Avani]

Ghost Obito and ghost Rin were indeed asspulls.

More like an impulsive twist to give Obito a positive ending. (Similar to the way he added a mysterious disease to Itachi to spare Sasuke guilt off killing Itachi)

The only other explanation will be to give Kakashi fans his own susano or to be used in games etc. For once he brought in the Sage and transmigration, it was not a big deal but writer could have written Kakashi helping out even without sharingan since he can use plenty of elements and what not.

 

[BlueMeteor]

Number 10 is still the worst imo

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The real Top 10(not in any order) asspulls are:

-The Senju Clan history
-The Uzumaki Clan history
-Anything relating to Sage of Six Paths story
-Tailed beast being weapons for the villages
-Sakura storing chakra for 3 years
-The chakra of the dead connecting to the living world
-Izanami backstory
-Obito being the leader of the Akatsuki
-The dark chakra in the brain
-Shin's entire character

More like an impulsive twist to give Obito a positive ending. (Similar to the way he added a mysterious disease to Itachi to spare Sasuke guilt off killing Itachi)

The only other explanation will be to give Kakashi fans his own susano or to be used in games etc. For once he brought in the Sage and transmigration, it was not a big deal but writer could have written Kakashi helping out even without sharingan since he can use plenty of elements and what not.

An asspull is a revelation of a new concept that is infeasible and shoehorned in. Basically, a retcon that doesn't fit in the story.

If Rin's ghost could interact with the living like she did in the gravity dimension, why didn't she do it before? It definitively qualifies as an asspull.

Kishi wants parallels even if it goes against logic. Such as Hagoromo having a brother that helped him seal the ten tails. This is something that history should not have forgotten since there are still beings from that time that are still alive like that old toad.

 

[Magnolius]

Number 9 was not an asspull.

Number 8 isn't an asspull either. Young Shinobi like Naruto are shown to be strong like that, more than likely do to their training in the Academy. Genin Sasuke knocked out a giant bear with one kick I believe, and Genin Lee moved at speeds comparable to a Kage, while negating tunnel vision and accurately hitting his target.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

The entire series was an asspull lol :sakubun:

Kishi actually admitted this too. He made up as he went.

 

[NarutoX28]

Madara bypassing even death itself through Izanagi to live after his battle with Hashirama is an asspull to be honest.

I know Izanagi was explained to be a jutsu that allows one to alter their destiny, so thus, Izanami decides destiny and forces one to acknowledge what situation they're currently in, but it was still an asspull nonetheless.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Number 8 isn't an asspull either. Young Shinobi like Naruto are shown to be strong like that, more than likely do to their training in the Academy. Genin Sasuke knocked out a giant bear with one kick I believe, and Genin Lee moved at speeds comparable to a Kage, while negating tunnel vision and accurately hitting his target.

thats orochimaru's snake though, not some fodder snake. Destroying it would be one thing, but stopping it with his body is another

 

[-immortal-]

Sakura surviving the War

 

[Avani]

The real Top 10(not in any order) asspulls are:

-The Senju Clan history
-The Uzumaki Clan history
-Anything relating to Sage of Six Paths story
-Tailed beast being weapons for the villages
-Sakura storing chakra for 3 years
-The chakra of the dead connecting to the living world
-Izanami backstory
-Obito being the leader of the Akatsuki
-The dark chakra in the brain
-Shin's entire character

Shin is not even in the manga Naruto.

An asspull is a revelation of a new concept that is infeasible and shoehorned in. Basically, a retcon that doesn't fit in the story.

Most of the points in your list work in the story just fine as far as mangas go. Some points could use more detailing but that's it. Besides retcons are just fine:-

"Retcon: In a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."

^ Nothing wrong with it and in long series that are being published while they are still being written it's inevitable, even. Their lack may leave a bad taste in such a series. For example:

In Cage of Eaden a character Eiken has a camera. In the beginning of the manga the hero finds it in an empty plane and watches the recording to find out what happened in there. Then the camera ends up burned in the flames/ left behind as he too leaves the spot. Eiken turns up several chapters later and somehow he has the camera again- There is no explanation to how come he still possessed one-it was never mentioned if he had two such a high quality cameras) or went back to the plane and somehow recovered it.

I would have loved if the writer covered up in some way... it's like he completely forgot about it...Now that manga is full of interesting ideas and yet the writer makes some glaring mistakes in the execution...Probably he was too busy thinking how to add more fan service..but I digress.

If Rin's ghost could interact with the living like she did in the gravity dimension, why didn't she do it before? It definitively qualifies as an asspull.

Rin's ghost interact with the living world? ??????? when did that happen?

Kishi wants parallels even if it goes against logic. Such as Hagoromo having a brother that helped him seal the ten tails. This is something that history should not have forgotten since there are still beings from that time that are still alive like that old toad.

Story of Hogomoro probably had less to do with a parallel and more with leaving a hook for possible expansion and continuation - for the movie. Old toad is contemporary of the sage? Source?

 

[Magnolius]

thats orochimaru's snake though, not some fodder snake. Destroying it would be one thing, but stopping it with his body is another

No, stopping it with his body would be one thing, but destroying it would be another.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Shin is not even in the manga Naruto.

Shin is in the same continuity as the manga and Gaiden was written by Kishi. So he should count.

Most of the points in your list work in the story just fine as far as mangas go. Some points could use more detailing but that's it.

Point out which ones. Because I would love to explain why they are asspulls.

Besides retcons are just fine:-

"Retcon: In a film, television series, or other fictional work) a piece of new information that imposes a different interpretation on previously described events, typically used to facilitate a dramatic plot shift or account for an inconsistency."

^ Nothing wrong with it and in long series that are being published while they are still being written it's inevitable, even. Their lack may leave a bad taste in such a series. For example:

In Cage of Eaden a character Eiken has a camera. In the beginning of the manga the hero finds it in an empty plane and watches the recording to find out what happened in there. Then the camera ends up burned in the flames/ left behind as he too leaves the spot. Eiken turns up several chapters later and somehow he has the camera again- There is no explanation to how come he still possessed one-it was never mentioned if he had two such a high quality cameras) or went back to the plane and somehow recovered it.

I would have loved if the writer covered up in some way... it's like he completely forgot about it...Now that manga is full of interesting ideas and yet the writer makes some glaring mistakes in the execution...Probably he was too busy thinking how to add more fan service..but I digress.

I'm not saying that retcons are inherently bad. Ones that are shoehorned into the story clearly are and Naruto has way too many of those. The series was suppose to have a beginning, middle, and end so there shouldn't be that many retcons forced into the series.

Even Dragon Ball didn't have that many retcons. Its all because Kishi made it up as the story went on and has even admitted so. He didn't even know why Sasuke wanted to kill Itachi when it was first mentioned in the series, which screams that he doesn't plan that far ahead.

Rin's ghost interact with the living world? ??????? when did that happen?

She helped Kakashi and Obito run through the gravity dimension when Naruto and Sasuke where everyone else can barely move. And its later implied that the two didn't imagine her here when Rin stated that her and Obito's chakra can connect to the world.

Story of Hogomoro probably had less to do with a parallel and more with leaving a hook for possible expansion and continuation - for the movie.

Hamura was obviously created for The Last, but him helping seal the ten tails was clearly Kishi's idea for another Naruto and Sasuke parallel. This was also the fifth parallel.

Old toad is contemporary of the sage? Source?

Hagomoro got the prophecy from him.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

No, stopping it with his body would be one thing, but destroying it would be another.

Using a rasengan to blow a whole throw a giant snake is more believable than stopping it with your body

 

[Magnolius]

Using a rasengan to blow a whole throw a giant snake is more believable than stopping it with your body

No, given the average durability of Orochimaru's snak summoning, Naruto's genin level rasengan would not pierce it. However, Naruto's genin level physical strength should be capable of stopping it (and was, according to the manga/anime).

 

[SatanicGod]

because he got rid of it. every modicum of it. Now he can all of a sudden get it back through Jugo and then fuse it with his susanoo? its not the worst asspull but it seemed sort of convenient considering obito could only be hit with NE

Sage tools because TenTen the tool master, just happen to be the one who found it

C0 has been debated and berated endlessly, and some people have made some fairly good points why sauske shouldn't have been able to escape it considering the way they showed how he did it in the manga. They should've gave him more time, but not at the last microsecond

Kisame should've never switched. He's never done that before with any other Jin (as far as we know) so why would he do it against the 2nd most powerful Jin?

He didn't get it back, he had Jugo spread the CM within the Susanoo, hence why Hugo was present in there

 

[SatanicGod]

It doesn't matter. That one event contradicted everything we'd seen throughout the series, which forced people to invent excuses for it.

That's just shitty writing.

Are we also ignoring that Obito survived his rock injury by "slipping through" the stones without even unlocking his 3T let alone MS yet?

Me and my friends actually had a theory prior to joining NB about eyeless Susanoo being possible, then Tobirama's explanation further encouraged it, and when Madara did it, it was pretty much confirmed