Counting the Gudodama

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Is the number of gudodama a person attains when he acquires the SOSP powers fixed or it varies from person to person........how is this number actually fixed and what will happen if many people awaken the SOSP powers at the same time? Can one user control other person's gudodama? I think obito did this to madara, I am not sure.......
 

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Naruto, hamura and toneri had 9 TSB. Madara, obito and hogoromo had 10.

So yes it differs.

No, one can't control another person's TSB. Obito created a make-shift TSB using BZ and the stolen rikudo senjutsu chakra from madara. It was an entirely new TSB, it wasn't madara's.
 
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It's probably a Juubi/ tailed beast thing. If you are a Juubi Jin then 10 if you just have portions of the 9 bijuu chakra then 9 maybe? I'm not sure about Toneri's case. I haven't watched The Last yet.
 

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Is the number of gudodama a person attains when he acquires the SOSP powers fixed or it varies from person to person........how is this number actually fixed and what will happen if many people awaken the SOSP powers at the same time? Can one user control other person's gudodama? I think obito did this to madara, I am not sure.......
It differs.

When the user lacks control such as Mindless Juubito, they can only manipulate what seems to be only 1 TSB whereas people who have mastered Rikudou Senjutsu can manipulate up to 9 TSB.

The Gudoudama staff that Hagoromo had is likely something else as he never possessed Rikudou Senjutsu until after becoming a Juubi Jin and that explains why Obito managed to use a Gudoudama staff despite never possessing Rikudou Senjutsu.

And of course, people like Kaguya, at her strongest, could manipulate such a massive Gudoudama that dwarfed DMS Kakashi's PS.
 

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It varies. if your a rikudou senjutsu user you get TSO. Hamuara only had like 5 in the formation of a crescent. Naruto had 9 and Madara had 10.

You dont have to be a juubi jin to get tso. there's other way's to get rsm like through birth (Kaguyas children) or Rikudou yang Chakra
 

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It differs.

When the user lacks control such as Mindless Juubito, they can only manipulate what seems to be only 1 TSB whereas people who have mastered Rikudou Senjutsu can manipulate up to 9 TSB.

The Gudoudama staff that Hagoromo had is likely something else as he never possessed Rikudou Senjutsu until after becoming a Juubi Jin and that explains why Obito managed to use a Gudoudama staff despite never possessing Rikudou Senjutsu.

And of course, people like Kaguya, at her strongest, could manipulate such a massive Gudoudama that dwarfed DMS Kakashi's PS.
wrong...hagoromo and hamura had truth seeking balls before becoming the ten tails jinchuriki...

also hagoromo's staff is made of truth seeking balls...as are the staffs of madara obito and naruto
 

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wrong...hagoromo and hamura had truth seeking balls before becoming the ten tails jinchuriki...
Hamura did, Hagoromo didn't.

It makes sense considering Hagoromo inherited one of the Rikudou Powers (Rinnegan) whereas Hamura inherited the other (Rikudou Senjutsu)

also hagoromo's staff is made of truth seeking balls...as are the staffs of madara obito and naruto
It likely requires a far less degree of mastery over the natures of chakra as Obito managed to create one without Rikudou Senjutsu.

The staffs Madara and Naruto were not Gudoudama staffs like the ones Hagoromo or Obito used, they were clearly used by manipulating the TSB into that shape.
 

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Ten tails jinchuriki get ten,rsm naruto has 9,hago and hamura have 9 not counting their staff,toneri,can't remember. So basically all six paths senjutsu user have 9,but possessing rinnegan grants one extra in the form of the staff,possessing the left rinnegan grants you the staff with the moon symbol and the right rinnegan grants you the one with the circular symbols and rings. having both eyes give both symbols in one staff.
 

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Hamura did, Hagoromo didn't.

It makes sense considering Hagoromo inherited one of the Rikudou Powers (Rinnegan) whereas Hamura inherited the other (Rikudou Senjutsu)



It likely requires a far less degree of mastery over the natures of chakra as Obito managed to create one without Rikudou Senjutsu.

The staffs Madara and Naruto were not Gudoudama staffs like the ones Hagoromo or Obito used, they were clearly used by manipulating the TSB into that shape.
Hagoromo did have truth seeking balls before becoming the jinchuriki

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Hamura did, Hagoromo didn't.

It makes sense considering Hagoromo inherited one of the Rikudou Powers (Rinnegan) whereas Hamura inherited the other (Rikudou Senjutsu)
This whole thing doesn't make any sense because Hagoromo is the Rikudo
Therefore he had both the powers.
Then there's the fact that Hagoromo himself gave Naruto the Six Paths SM which is the only thing needed to use the TSB. And yes that was non Jin Hagoromo

Hamura only had the TSB after he awakened the Tenseigan

It likely requires a far less degree of mastery over the natures of chakra as Obito managed to create one without Rikudou Senjutsu.
Nope Obito created it when he absorbed some of Jin Madaras six paths SM chakra
And only then he could use it.

No SPSM = No TSB or its staff
The staffs Madera and Naruto were not Gudoudama staffs like the ones Hagoromo or Obito used, they were clearly used by manipulating the TSB into that shape.
lol what? Then what the hell were they?
Madaras staff was TSB. Narutos rods were TSB.
Obito only had the sun part of the staff whilst Madara only had the moon.
Hagoromo had both.
 

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This whole thing doesn't make any sense because Hagoromo is the Rikudo
Therefore he had both the powers.
Yeah, he had possession of both powers once he became a Juubi Jin.

I think this also helps my argument:



Because Kaguya thinks Sasuke is Hagoromo and Naruto is Hamura based on the fact that she says Hagoromo and Hamura in the same order she says Indra and Ashura, so she likely believed Sasuke was Hagoromo based on possessing the Rinnegan whereas she though Naruto was Hamura based on the fact that he possessed Rikudou Senjutsu.

Then there's the fact that Hagoromo himself gave Naruto the Six Paths SM which is the only thing needed to use the TSB. And yes that was non Jin Hagoromo
I'd argue that he somehow managed to remain as a Juubi Jin when his design and cloak reflects his appearance when he became a Juubi Jin as opposed to before he became one.

Hagoromo gave Naruto his Chakra and through Naruto's Senjutsu, managed to obtain Rikudou Senjutsu. Hagoromo never gave Naruto Rikudou Senjutsu Chakra or else the chakra Sasuke received would've been inferior to what Naruto received which doesn't make sense.

Hamura only had the TSB after he awakened the Tenseigan
But you believe the Gudoudama staff = TSB and he possessed one without using the Tenseigan.

Nope Obito created it when he absorbed some of Jin Madaras six paths SM chakra
And only then he could use it.

No SPSM = No TSB or its staff
Nope. Obito never absorbed the Bijuu Chakras before he manifested his Gudoudama staff and that was made clear when Madara didn't even mention that he was until Obito entered Madara's subconscious and even then, Madara's source of Rikudou Senjutsu is the Juubi and Obito only seized Yin Kurama and a portion of the Hachibi's and Shukaku's chakra which do not form the Juubi, therefore, Obito only stole Rikudou Chakra.

lol what? Then what the hell were they?
Madaras staff was TSB. Narutos rods were TSB.
Obito only had the sun part of the staff whilst Madara only had the moon.
Hagoromo had both.
Really?




Count the amount of orbs Obito has. He has 9 on top of the Gudoudama staff. Notice how Minato warped away Obito's TSB yet he still retains the Gudoudama staff? This means that the Gudoudama staff is different than the TSB and therefore, doesn't require Rikudou Senjutsu in order to use it.

This is also the same for Madara:



Still 9 TSB on top of the Gudoudama staff he possesses.

But yes, Naruto's rods were composed of TSB, I agree with that.
 
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