[Discussion] Zaraki Kenpachi , strongest shinigami at EOS?

[kotoamatsukami]

He's horribly unskilled? Unohana while she was unlocking his powers, was also teaching him "How to fight". He is the guy that Yamamoto stopped teaching on how to use the sword after day 1.

Kubo is just doing bad writing in my opinion when it comes to Zaraki/Ichigo. Both trained hard as ****... only to get put down. But then again Zaraki hasn't removed that eyepatch.



You're right a healer's job is not to fight. But they have a whole division of healers not just 1 person. Her skills in fighting are more valuable. Afterall, it was only her who was able to unlock Zaraki's full power, and not any other captain from the Gotei 13. There was no guarantee ss was going to fall??? Mate... Aizen made Yamamoto useless..



And all of that happened after Zaraki had just survived a huge fight against Gremmy.. without even unleashing his full power. You know the guy who he beat simply by using the sword to cut and his reitsu.. while the others need shikai abilities and bankais..

Lol like I said she is the best healer so she's not fighting she barely fights anyway...an It don't matter who falls as long as ichigo is alive an breathing they place their faith in him she even said ichigo was the only one who could beat aizen.

 

[Cellus523]

He's horribly unskilled? Unohana while she was unlocking his powers, was also teaching him "How to fight". He is the guy that Yamamoto stopped teaching on how to use the sword after day 1.

Kubo is just doing bad writing in my opinion when it comes to Zaraki/Ichigo. Both trained hard as ****... only to get put down. But then again Zaraki hasn't removed that eyepatch.



You're right a healer's job is not to fight. But they have a whole division of healers not just 1 person. Her skills in fighting are more valuable. Afterall, it was only her who was able to unlock Zaraki's full power, and not any other captain from the Gotei 13. There was no guarantee ss was going to fall??? Mate... Aizen made Yamamoto useless..



And all of that happened after Zaraki had just survived a huge fight against Gremmy.. without even unleashing his full power. You know the guy who he beat simply by using the sword to cut and his reitsu.. while the others need shikai abilities and bankais..

I called him unskilled for his weight class. Nearly every single one of the higher tiered fighters in the manga are highly skilled in their form of combat. Also his knowledge of sword fighting consists of instinct and that basic yet very under appreciated Kendo technique. Unohana's hype was that she knew every single sword style in the seireitei, it's first Kenpachi, and on top of being the best healer they had, I feel it was a bad trade to lose that for a stronger kenny that still foolishly rushes in without much thought. I have a bias against overly powerful but poorly developed fighters like Kenny (it's what keeps me from likeing Gohan in dbz, another story for another time). He has his moments but i just wish that Kubo wouldn't keep him as essentially powerful yet dumb muscle.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol like I said she is the best healer so she's not fighting she barely fights anyway...an It don't matter who falls as long as ichigo is alive an breathing they place their faith in him she even said ichigo was the only one who could beat aizen.

Her being the best healer is irrelevant, unless you can show how she benefitted them for not fighting against Aizen or any of the aranchors or quincies... Hell you believe she is more important than Yamamoto?


@bold, thats what you call plot mate. Is irrelevant to Unohana.

I called him unskilled for his weight class. Nearly every single one of the higher tiered fighters in the manga are highly skilled in their form of combat. Also his knowledge of sword fighting consists of instinct and that basic yet very under appreciated Kendo technique. Unohana's hype was that she knew every single sword style in the seireitei, it's first Kenpachi, and on top of being the best healer they had, I feel it was a bad trade to lose that for a stronger kenny that still foolishly rushes in without much thought. I have a bias against overly powerful but poorly developed fighters like Kenny (it's what keeps me from likeing Gohan in dbz, another story for another time). He has his moments but i just wish that Kubo wouldn't keep him as essentially powerful yet dumb muscle.

there is no "Weight class" tho... When all a person needs is to use 2 hands on a sword to double their cutting power, I would consider that a huge feat and a skill.

You're saying the others are skilled.. but they're only skilled because they have fancy powers from their swords. Other than that, Zaraki can keep up with them when it comes to the actual sword fight. Gohan is too intelligent to be compared to Zaraki though. But for the whole rushing in, about 99% of the characters do that in bleach ;x. Just saying.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Her being the best healer is irrelevant, unless you can show how she benefitted them for not fighting against Aizen or any of the aranchors or quincies... Hell you believe she is more important than Yamamoto?


@bold, thats what you call plot mate. Is irrelevant to Unohana.

there is no "Weight class" tho... When all a person needs is to use 2 hands on a sword to double their cutting power, I would consider that a huge feat and a skill.

You're saying the others are skilled.. but they're only skilled because they have fancy powers from their swords. Other than that, Zaraki can keep up with them when it comes to the actual sword fight. Gohan is too intelligent to be compared to Zaraki though. But for the whole rushing in, about 99% of the characters do that in bleach ;x. Just saying.

Cuz instead of fighting aizen who was not trying to kill anybody foreal she was healing people who were taken down...squad 4 job is not to fight they are there to heal they will only fight if attacked directly..an what did i say to make you think she is more important than yamamoto?

Yea an also plot is why she don't fight.

 

[KingHashirama]

Cuz instead of fighting aizen who was not trying to kill anybody foreal she was healing people who were taken down...squad 4 job is not to fight they are there to heal they will only fight if attacked directly..an what did i say to make you think she is more important than yamamoto?

Yea an also plot is why she don't fight.

She left squad 11 to squad 4. She is portrayed as the the strongest after Yama out of the Gotei. She was the only one who could make Zaraki unlock his full power. She held the title of "Strongest shinigami" during Yamamoto's reign.

To not fight when fighting is necessary over healing, while your commander fights.. is declaring the healer more important than the commander.

"she is the best healer".. yes, shes also the second best fighter they had. Nobody in the gotei was as skilled as her.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

She left squad 11 to squad 4. She is portrayed as the the strongest after Yama out of the Gotei. She was the only one who could make Zaraki unlock his full power. She held the title of "Strongest shinigami" during Yamamoto's reign.

To not fight when fighting is necessary over healing, while your commander fights.. is declaring the healer more important than the commander.

"she is the best healer".. yes, shes also the second best fighter they had. Nobody in the gotei was as skilled as her.

Yea exactly she went to squad 4 an the people in squad 4 barely fight she never wishes to fight actually.

She's not more important than yama but she is important for her ability to heal others.

Don't matter if she the second best fighter she would rather heal than fight.

 

[Cellus523]

there is no "Weight class" tho... When all a person needs is to use 2 hands on a sword to double their cutting power, I would consider that a huge feat and a skill.

You're saying the others are skilled.. but they're only skilled because they have fancy powers from their swords. Other than that, Zaraki can keep up with them when it comes to the actual sword fight. Gohan is too intelligent to be compared to Zaraki though. But for the whole rushing in, about 99% of the characters do that in bleach ;x. Just saying.

The whole point to that 2 handed strike is that is what it does. It would be like being surprised that you get better results batting with both hands rather than 1. When i referred to weight class i was more talking about how Kenny is supposed to be on par or greater than any other fighter the SS has as fitting his title. I think that the excuse of yama stopping after one lesson was BS. As for the rushing in thing it is more than just him but you would think that more than a few people would try to read the situation before recklessly diving in. Granted Perinda wasn't someone he was suited to fight in any way, neither was Mayuri but plot and blah blah blah.

 

[Beetle]

Ichibei and Urahara. Mayuri might be able to beat him with gizmos, but that doesn't necessarily make him stronger. Aizen if you still consider him a shinigami, same with Ichigo, but I wouldn't consider either just shinigami.