SM naruto vs killer bee

[Warlocks]

S1:Naruto win
S2:Bee win

 

[KidGamer65]

B was only needed because naruto started in base. Kushina was only needed because Naruto got overcome by the kyuubi's hatred. When it was actually a fight between SM Naruto vs 50% Kurama, Naruto dominated the fight in almost every moment. If the intention was to defeat kurama, the moment he landed the rasenshuriken on kurama would have been his victory since the beast was so weakened it couldn't even get up while naruto had unlimited SM.

Let's not start wanking this guy. If B hadn't stopped the first Bijuu Dama attempt he would've died regardless of Sage Mode or not. If Naruto didn't get KCM the second Bijuu Dama would've killed him. What you are saying doesn't even begin to make sense. Kurama wasn't so weakened that he couldn't get up, that's you not reading the Manga properly and overrating Naruto as usual. :lol He slipped when he tried to get up right after the blast occurred, and even then after he took the second Rasenshuriken he got right back up and was about to wreck Naruto's shit. And even during his final attack, Kushina kept Kurama partially bound and even tripped him right before the 25 Chou Oodama Rasengan hit.

Please don't try to argue that SM Naruto stands a chance against Kurama one on one with zero interference. Bijuu Dama turns him to ash just like B's does.

 

[Kunihi]

Let's not start wanking this guy. If B hadn't stopped the first Bijuu Dama attempt he would've died regardless of Sage Mode or not.

Why?

If Naruto didn't get KCM the second Bijuu Dama would've killed him.

If Naruto didn't need to chakra tug of war with the kyuubi, it never gets to firing the second one. If it started out the fight against Naruto with the second one, Naruto can either spread clones around so that kurama has to guess which direction to fire, or he just fires a rasenshuriken at kurama while he charges it.

What you are saying doesn't even begin to make sense. Kurama wasn't so weakened that he couldn't get up, that's you not reading the Manga properly and overrating Naruto as usual. :lol He slipped when he tried to get up right after the blast occurred, and even then after he took the second Rasenshuriken he got right back up and was about to wreck Naruto's shit. And even during his final attack, Kushina kept Kurama partially bound and even tripped him right before the 25 Chou Oodama Rasengan hit.

He didn't slip, the manga made it clear that he was too weakened to get back up which is why Naruto makes the claim right after Kurama fails to stand that the kyuubi got weakened. From then on, the kyuubi stays on his back until kushina's chians come out, almost a chapter later.

He took more damage from the first rasenshuriken because he got laid out first, he took the second one while on his feet.

In the final battle, all of kushina's assistance was done when naruto was in base because kurama was knocking out his base clones which doesn't apply to SM NAruto, and that's irrelevant anyways since it never gets to that point if naruto's not trying to chakra tug.

Please don't try to argue that SM Naruto stands a chance against Kurama one on one with zero interference. Bijuu Dama turns him to ash just like B's does.

Yeah, if SM Naruto just sits there and takes it, sure.
If he's actually allowed to move, it doesn't.
The bijuudama is only as fast as the rasenshuriken, Deva path and Taka can survive an indirect hit, and with clones, kurama would have to play the guessing game when the clones come from different directions.
That's all pretending that naruto is not using any of his clones to attack, which will result in Kurama getting slammed when they get ahold of him.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Naruto didn't need to chakra tug of war with the kyuubi, it never gets to firing the second one.

No, Naruto hits him. Kyuubi is weakened briefly and then it gets back up and nukes him with BD.

He didn't slip, the manga made it clear that he was too weakened to get back up which is why Naruto makes the claim right after Kurama fails to stand that the kyuubi got weakened. From then on, the kyuubi stays on his back until kushina's chians come out, almost a chapter later.

uh, no. Peep the bottom right panel.

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He tries to get up and his hand and arm slip and hit the ground. He was weakened from the initial impact, but that's not evidence he would've been downed for the remainder or even a significant portion of the fight.

He took more damage from the first rasenshuriken because he got laid out first, he took the second one while on his feet.

A direct hit is a direct hit. How does his position change that? He even took the second one to his face and to his body. And even if there was a difference, how are you determining that it's significant enough to bother bringing up? :lol

In the final battle, all of kushina's assistance was done when naruto was in base because kurama was knocking out his base clones which doesn't apply to SM NAruto, and that's irrelevant anyways since it never gets to that point if naruto's not trying to chakra tug.

No, the Chou Oodama Rasengan barrage was the set up that allowed him to land the second FRS. If Kushina hadn't tripped him Kurama probably would've blocked or countered that attack and the Manga makes that clear. So SM Naruto doesn't land a second FRS without Kushina's help.

Yeah, if SM Naruto just sits there and takes it, sure.
If he's actually allowed to move, it doesn't.
The bijuudama is only as fast as the rasenshuriken, Deva path and Taka can survive an indirect hit, and with clones, kurama would have to play the guessing game when the clones come from different directions.
That's all pretending that naruto is not using any of his clones to attack, which will result in Kurama getting slammed when they get ahold of him.

Hachibi's Bijuu Dama is only as fast as FRS. Kurama's Bijuu Dama can cross a lake in a matter of seconds. Hashirama couldn't dodge it so SM Naruto isn't doing any better. There is nothing that shows that Taka got hit by that Bijuu Dama, and that was Hachibi's, not Kurama's. :lol Deva Path survived an indirect hit from KN6's Bijuu Dama so I'm not sure why you even bothered bringing that up.

And what guessing game? Kurama can nuke the entire area and come out alive while Naruto dies. If Bijuu Dama goes off anywhere in the immediate vicinity Naruto is dead, Kurama will live with minor injuries.

 

[Kunihi]

No, Naruto hits him. Kyuubi is weakened briefly and then it gets back up and nukes him with BD.

Yeah, so you make the completely illogical implication that after the kyuubi is so weak it can't stand up, naruto just sits there and eats ramen until it gets back up. Obviously that doesn't happen, NAruto hammers it with more FRS, weakening it further until it's defeated.

uh, no. Peep the bottom right panel.

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He tries to get up and his hand and arm slip and hit the ground. He was weakened from the initial impact, but that's not evidence he would've been downed for the remainder or even a significant portion of the fight.

None of this contradicts my post, he slips because he's too weak to get back up. He stays down for sure until kushina binds him.

A direct hit is a direct hit. How does his position change that? He even took the second one to his face and to his body. And even if there was a difference, how are you determining that it's significant enough to bother bringing up? :lol

Positioning definitely changes that, if he's laid out he's taking the hit with much less of a guard up than if he's standing up. He's also taking a lot more of the force of the first one since he's pinned to the ground, the second one is allowed to push him back.

No, the Chou Oodama Rasengan barrage was the set up that allowed him to land the second FRS. If Kushina hadn't tripped him Kurama probably would've blocked or countered that attack and the Manga makes that clear. So SM Naruto doesn't land a second FRS without Kushina's help.

How can kurama block or counter 25 chou oodama rasengans when he needed six tails to block just one? The manga made it clear that without kushina's help Kurama destroys naruto's clone army before he can enter SM. If he's already in SM, Kurama in no way blocks 25 of them.

Hachibi's Bijuu Dama is only as fast as FRS. Kurama's Bijuu Dama can cross a lake in a matter of seconds. Hashirama couldn't dodge it so SM Naruto isn't doing any better. There is nothing that shows that Taka got hit by that Bijuu Dama, and that was Hachibi's, not Kurama's. :lol Deva Path survived an indirect hit from KN6's Bijuu Dama so I'm not sure why you even bothered bringing that up.

Why wouldn't Bee's bijuudama travel that fast as well? What's your timeframe you are using to compare the two? I bring up deva and taka to show that just being in the blast won't mean much unless you are really close to where it detonates, it being kn6 bijuudama is irrelevant to that.

There's no significant speed difference between bee's and BM Naruto's bijuudama when they fire them at the juubi, unless 50% Kurama > BM Naruto then the speed being FRS speed is irrefutable.

And what guessing game? Kurama can nuke the entire area and come out alive while Naruto dies. If Bijuu Dama goes off anywhere in the immediate vicinity Naruto is dead, Kurama will live with minor injuries.

Why would naruto die if we've already established that an indirect hit from a bijuudama doesn't do much damage to human targets?

 

[isonworth18]

Yeah, so you make the completely illogical implication that after the kyuubi is so weak it can't stand up, naruto just sits there and eats ramen until it gets back up. Obviously that doesn't happen, NAruto hammers it with more FRS, weakening it further until it's defeated.


None of this contradicts my post, he slips because he's too weak to get back up. He stays down for sure until kushina binds him.



Positioning definitely changes that, if he's laid out he's taking the hit with much less of a guard up than if he's standing up. He's also taking a lot more of the force of the first one since he's pinned to the ground, the second one is allowed to push him back.


How can kurama block or counter 25 chou oodama rasengans when he needed six tails to block just one? The manga made it clear that without kushina's help Kurama destroys naruto's clone army before he can enter SM. If he's already in SM, Kurama in no way blocks 25 of them.



Why wouldn't Bee's bijuudama travel that fast as well? What's your timeframe you are using to compare the two? I bring up deva and taka to show that just being in the blast won't mean much unless you are really close to where it detonates, it being kn6 bijuudama is irrelevant to that.

There's no significant speed difference between bee's and BM Naruto's bijuudama when they fire them at the juubi, unless 50% Kurama > BM Naruto then the speed being FRS speed is irrefutable.


Why would naruto die if we've already established that an indirect hit from a bijuudama doesn't do much damage to human targets?

you seem to actually have logic instead downplaying sm naruto.


sm naruto is faster than hachibi. he and his clones uses frog katas, FRS, rasengan barrages, 25 chou odama rasengans.
naruto in sm is physically stronger than 8 tails as he tossed kurama (without struggling) so he can throw bee. if naruto and his clones are holding him by the tails, slamming it into a clones punch, then to a kick, then an odama rasengan, then toss it in the air while multiple sm clones do to it what part 1 naruto did to shukaku, but with rasengans, FRS, chou odama rasnegans.

 

[4 Sword Style]

Is this guy really arguing SM Naruto beats a Tailed Beast in 1v1?

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah, so you make the completely illogical implication that after the kyuubi is so weak it can't stand up, naruto just sits there and eats ramen until it gets back up. Obviously that doesn't happen, NAruto hammers it with more FRS, weakening it further until it's defeated.

Or while Naruto charges his second FRS, Kurama simply responds by firing a Bijuu Dama at him, assuming we aren't going with the illogical assumption that Kurama doesn't use Bijuu Dama again in the fight until Naruto has the power to actually counter it and the second illogical assumption that Naruto will be able to fire off FRS after FRS while Kurama sits there and does nothing in between. Not sure why this discussion is even happening considering Naruto can't even survive the first Bijuu Dama attempt.

Then we have the fact that he only landed the first FRS because his clones hid behind B's tentacle, and then surprised him when they jumped at him and attacked with the suplex, an issue B won't have here so in no way does this translate to B being defeated by Naruto nor does Naruto defeat Kurama on his own.

Positioning definitely changes that, if he's laid out he's taking the hit with much less of a guard up than if he's standing up. He's also taking a lot more of the force of the first one since he's pinned to the ground, the second one is allowed to push him back.

He had no guard when he was standing up so this doesn't even make sense. I'll agree to the last point.

How can kurama block or counter 25 chou oodama rasengans when he needed six tails to block just one? The manga made it clear that without kushina's help Kurama destroys naruto's clone army before he can enter SM. If he's already in SM, Kurama in no way blocks 25 of them.

Bijuu Dama. Really that simple. Naruto being in SM before or after the barrage is irrelevant as they end up at the same place, and "no way he counters" isn't an argument. Unless Naruto can rush him and hit him with this before Kurama fires off any kind of Bijuu Dama there is nothing more that needs to be argued here.

Why wouldn't Bee's bijuudama travel that fast as well? What's your timeframe you are using to compare the two? I bring up deva and taka to show that just being in the blast won't mean much unless you are really close to where it detonates, it being kn6 bijuudama is irrelevant to that.

There's no significant speed difference between bee's and BM Naruto's bijuudama when they fire them at the juubi, unless 50% Kurama > BM Naruto then the speed being FRS speed is irrefutable.

Speed isn't relevant anyway since you have no proof Naruto can dodge the entire explosion or get far away enough to survive an indirect hit.

Why would naruto die if we've already established that an indirect hit from a bijuudama doesn't do much damage to human targets?

No, you've established that an indirect hit from KN6's Bijuu Dama doesn't do much damage to human targets. Even then, Naruto being next to Kurama when it blows means that he's not taking an indirect hit. I mean, you might as well stop arguing. Your argument hinges on the fact that Kurama basically chooses not to use Bijuu Dama like he did in the Manga.

 

[NarutoX28]

Is this guy really arguing SM Naruto beats a Tailed Beast in 1v1?

It's not an unpopular opinion. People have argued that SM Jiraiya has the potential to defeat the Hachibi.

 

[4 Sword Style]

It's not an unpopular opinion. People have argued that SM Jiraiya has the potential to defeat the Hachibi.

Goes to prove that the popularity of an opinion has nothing to do with its validity

 

[NarutoX28]

Goes to prove that the popularity of an opinion has nothing to do with its validity

Not as popular as the belief that SM Naruto loses to the Hachibi apparently.

 

[Kunihi]

Or while Naruto charges his second FRS, Kurama simply responds by firing a Bijuu Dama at him, assuming we aren't going with the illogical assumption that Kurama doesn't use Bijuu Dama again in the fight until Naruto has the power to actually counter it and the second illogical assumption that Naruto will be able to fire off FRS after FRS while Kurama sits there and does nothing in between. Not sure why this discussion is even happening considering Naruto can't even survive the first Bijuu Dama attempt.

how does kurama even charge and fire a bijuudama if it's so weakened it can't even stand up? How will it be able to charge and fire a bijuudama if naruto is preping his rasenshuriken when it's getting damaged by the rasenshuriken's explosion?

It's not illogical to think kurama won't use a bijuudama when it's so weakened that it's unable to stand and when it's getting hammered by a jutsu that can weaken it to that extent in one hit.

Then we have the fact that he only landed the first FRS because his clones hid behind B's tentacle, and then surprised him when they jumped at him and attacked with the suplex, an issue B won't have here so in no way does this translate to B being defeated by Naruto nor does Naruto defeat Kurama on his own.

Hey we're talking about 50% Naruto vs Kurama right now because you've stated that SM Naruto doesn't beat him on his own.

Plus, the situation might be different but it's a much more powerful naruto now, so results would be at least the same.

Bijuu Dama. Really that simple. Naruto being in SM before or after the barrage is irrelevant as they end up at the same place, and "no way he counters" isn't an argument. Unless Naruto can rush him and hit him with this before Kurama fires off any kind of Bijuu Dama there is nothing more that needs to be argued here.

So kurama's going to charge and fire a bijuudama and it's going to hit the ground before Naruto (who'd be in SM and thus would be much faster) can hit him with one of those rasengans at that distance? I find that highly unlikely given the kyuubi's previous charge times for that tech.

Speed isn't relevant anyway since you have no proof Naruto can dodge the entire explosion or get far away enough to survive an indirect hit.

Taka did so, naruto is much faster than the injured taka, especially if kurama fires it at a clone and not the original. Deva was just meters away from KN6, SM Naruto is far more durable than deva, Kurama would be hardpressed to get a bijuudama off and the way he fought in the manga suggests that he won't fire one right at his feet he'll aim right at naruto.

No, you've established that an indirect hit from KN6's Bijuu Dama doesn't do much damage to human targets. Even then, Naruto being next to Kurama when it blows means that he's not taking an indirect hit. I mean, you might as well stop arguing. Your argument hinges on the fact that Kurama basically chooses not to use Bijuu Dama like he did in the Manga.

KN6's bijuudama functions the same way as 50% Kurama's bijuudamas do, it just means that deva would have to be further away from the bigger dama in order to sustain the same damage. Why does naruto being next to kurama mean anything unless kurama fires it right at his feet?

If you want to talk about what happened in the manga, kurama decided to fire a bijuudama straight at naruto, not at the ground. That makes it even easier for naruto to dodge, since the blast isn't going to be anywhere near him, and in SM he's more than capable of doing so at that distance.

 

[Kunihi]

Is this guy really arguing SM Naruto beats a Tailed Beast in 1v1?

are you serious? If some of the weaker akatsuki pairs can do it, why can't a Naruto who has unlimited SM do it?

 

[EZQ]

Killer Bee survived his own TBB --> He can tank Naruto's FRS

While Naruto can't counter:

-Super whirlwind to send Naruto flying if he gets close

-TBB barrage

 

[TRE MERCER]

really? when?

This isn't even english and you still have idiots jumping on and agreeing with it.

As you can see below the steel stakes easily went through Hachibi's shoulder and back area. FRS can easily cut Hachibi body if some Rinnegan stakes can do this much damage.

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[~Ethereal~]

Killer B wins.