Gotenks (base) vs SS2 vegeta

[Ansatsuken]

Honestly you have clearly never read dragon ball if you think ki output is everything. Look at USSJ future trunks, when he fought perfect cell he had increased the ki output by a large margin. But did he win? No. And you think battle strategy doesnt play a role in the dragon ball world? Pls it seems like you read dragon ball with closed eyes, your pitiful statements are cosmic ages far from the truth.

How do you think captian ginyu did almost win goku? Because his ki was larger? No it was not. Strategy and fighting sense plays a HUGE role in the dragon ball world. YOU are speaking about a entirely different manga now. Its how you use the ki.

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Oh look the trash still havent realized his position, honestly its difficult to tell if you are human or not depending on the patheticness of your response.

Is this your best? This is a debate about dragon ball not about how sick you are. You only prove how insignificant your existence is by not even trying to contradict my statements in a logical sense. But dont worry i am sure the event horizon has "space" for you.

Its a very amusing response from the one who cannot prove the meaning of his words.

OK keyboard warrior. Is good for you bcus screen protect you.

You said PL not the determination but SSJ2 Gohan power level is above Perfect Cell and bcus of that he can toying with Cell.

Vegeto PL is larger than Super Buu and you can see heaven and earth there.

DB or Not DB, Anyone with PL above their opponents, they are in advantages situation.

SSJ1 PL was set at certain limit, So as SSJ2. SSJ2 power was entirely inside new level of power compared to SSJ1. Or in other words Base power of every level of transformations.

Trunk never increasing his power level to the new height, he just powered up/increasing his body mass and strength using SSJ1 power level limit. Unless he achieve SSj2 transformation.

Yes strategy and tactic can play important role,, no one denying that. But as shonen popular element, one with PL above someone will easily outclass their opponent. Bcus their stats was in entirely different level. Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo as example. If they fight with partner against very powerful opponent, strategy could help them as Goku and Piccolo already proved it. But alone even Goke need to go SSj1 to match/surpassed Freiza.

For Captain Ginyu, it thanks to his HAX and Goku lacking on info about Ginyu ability. He never won that match bcus of certain reason.

 

[Christmas Cack]

Toriyama himself said power level basically determines who wins the fight.

What’s the secret of winning in battle?

When it comes to battle, the most important thing is ki size, and its control. Of course, “ki” also includes such spiritual power as energy/vigor [genki] and bravery [yuuki], and being in one’s right mind [shouki; could also be translated as "true character"] (note 11). There’s a limit to physical strength, no matter how much you toughen it up, and the only way to overcome that it is with “ki”. I think that it was through turning ki into formidable power that Goku drew closer to being the strongest warrior in the universe.

And has anyone here read the manga? Or are you all just using the anime and movies as a reference point?

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

OK keyboard warrior. Is good for you bcus screen protect you.

You said PL not the determination but SSJ2 Gohan power level is above Perfect Cell and bcus of that he can toying with Cell.

Vegeto PL is larger than Super Buu and you can see heaven and earth there.

DB or Not DB, Anyone with PL above their opponents, they are in advantages situation.

SSJ1 PL was set at certain limit, So as SSJ2. SSJ2 power was entirely inside new level of power compared to SSJ1. Or in other words Base power of every level of transformations.

Trunk never increasing his power level to the new height, he just powered up/increasing his body mass and strength using SSJ1 power level limit. Unless he achieve SSj2 transformation.

Yes strategy and tactic can play important role,, no one denying that. But as shonen popular element, one with PL above someone will easily outclass their opponent. Bcus their stats was in entirely different level. Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo as example. If they fight with partner against very powerful opponent, strategy could help them as Goku and Piccolo already proved it. But alone even Goke need to go SSj1 to match/surpassed Freiza.

Exactly . damn z snobs make us look bad smdh

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

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[Nobel]

OK keyboard warrior. Is good for you bcus screen protect you.



Vegeto PL is larger than Super Buu and you can see heaven and earth there.

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What are you trying to prove? In a war everything matters, fighting sense/skill is the most important thing. Obviosly capitan obvious i NEVER stated that a guy who challenges a god can beat him. And i use my screen as protection? Sounds like your mental issues were beyond my imagination.

And using Vegito as a method to prove superiority over another is stupidity itself beyond any conception.

"You villians never take true pride in your fighting skills, it takes more than strong arms and eye sight to be a warrior."

you dont know Vegito, not even close.

 

[Nobel]

Exactly . damn z snobs make us look bad smdh

I made you look bad?, think twice "db fan" if you honestly take pride in being a part of whatever community you belong to then you failed from the beginning. You have Yourself to blame.

 

[Nobel]

Trunk never increased his power level to the new height, he just powered up/increasing his body mass and strength using SSJ1 power level limit. Unless he achieve SSj2 transformation.

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Are you sure you read dragon ball?

 

[Nobel]

Toriyama himself said power level basically determines who wins the fight.

And has anyone here read the manga? Or are you all just using the anime and movies as a reference point?

Ki size AND its "control", you people only succeeded in contradicting yourself. But the thing is this statement of yours cant be trusted since no link = nothing to prove.

 

[Christmas Cack]

Ki size AND its "control", you people only succeeded in contradicting yourself. But the thing is this statement of yours cant be trusted since no link = nothing to prove.

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From the SEG translated by Kanzenshuu, backed up by Herms since it's included in his guides. Please tell me you've heard of those entities, sir.

And you don't need to come at me with the ad hominem. The statement I posted did not in any way contradict my claim. A character's battle power is not 100% to blame for victory, hence why SSG3 Trunks couldn't beat a suppressed Cell despite being much more powerful, but to sit and imply that Character A with a power level of 5 can beat Character B with a power level of 100 simply because the former has more experience, skill, and ki control, is quite frankly harebrained. We've seen multiple times in the story where skill/"ki control" didn't turn the tides when a character was at too much of a power disadvantage, including but not limited to: Z-Fighters vs. Nappa, Goku vs. Vegeta, Goku vs. 50% Freeza, Vegeta vs. Cell, Vegeta vs. Fat Boo. Heck, there are even examples where characters would refuse to fight the villain because they were too outmatched, like Goku not attempting to fight the androids or 2nd Stage Cell, Goku refusing to fight Super Boo without fusion, Goku refusing to fight Gotenks-Boo, and Goku refusing to fight Gohan-Boo. Power is a huge determining factor in 99% of the fights in DBZ. Ki control exists normally to show the stupidity of some characters, like Trunks not knowing the downfall of Super Saiyan Grade 3 while Vegeta and Goku recognized it immediately. It's not a frequent occurrence, nor is it a fault for every single character.

 

[EZQ]

Battle of gods ss2 Vegeta? One punch KO

Manga ssj2 Vegeta is fairly on fat boo level except for the durability, while base gotenks got his ass kicked by him.

 

[Christmas Cack]

Battle of gods ss2 Vegeta? One punch KO

Manga ssj2 Vegeta is fairly on fat boo level except for the durability, while base gotenks got his ass kicked by him.

SS2 Majin Vegeta got hits on Boo because Boo let him do it. Once Boo got into attack mode, Vegeta was finished. The angry explosion crippled Vegeta and he was forced to resort to self-destruction to even remotely damage Boo. Also, Boo wasn't that far from SS3 Goku, so unless you have a tiny Super Saiyan 3 multiplier, then Boo can't be that close to SS2 Majin Vegeta.

 

[Ansatsuken]

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What are you trying to prove? In a war everything matters, fighting sense/skill is the most important thing. Obviosly capitan obvious i NEVER stated that a guy who challenges a god can beat him. And i use my screen as protection? Sounds like your mental issues were beyond my imagination.

And using Vegito as a method to prove superiority over another is stupidity itself beyond any conception.

"You villians never take true pride in your fighting skills, it takes more than strong arms an eye sight to be a warrior."

you dont know Vegito, not even close.

That what I always saw from someone that couldnt form a proper counter argument. Just bring in some disparate statement.

I know Vegeto very well, but what I dont know and never even care to know was your own retard world Vegeto. That is.

And your other post's picture not work. It clearly show/tell you even that picture knew how retard you're for trying to counter my argument with weak and wrong choice of counter to the point it pointless to show the whole world the scan.

 

[Nobel]

That what I always saw from someone that couldnt form a proper counter argument. Just bring in some disparate statement.

I know Vegeto very well, but what I dont know and never even care to know was your own retard world Vegeto. That is.

And your other post's picture not work. It clearly show/tell you even that picture knew how retard you're for trying to counter my argument with weak and wrong choice of counter to the point it pointless to show the whole world the scan.

You know Vegito very well? And then you tell ME that i couldnt form a PROPER counter argument? Funny your post only included weak insults that describes your stupidty inside out, you know NOTHING about who Vegito is and how he is. No matter if i gave you cosmic ages to figure it out you still would be corrupted by ignorance.

Now the picture works well, too bad that your "retarded" eye sight cant see. Pls if this is where your intelligence stops then vanish from this thread at the instant. Its easy to tell how corrupted a human being can be when you start trash talking without a bit of intellectual knoweldge in their response.

Maybe the picture was broken, but your brain has been broken beyond oblivion .

 

[Nobel]

SS2 Majin Vegeta got hits on Boo because Boo let him do it. Once Boo got into attack mode, Vegeta was finished. The angry explosion crippled Vegeta and he was forced to resort to self-destruction to even remotely damage Boo. Also, Boo wasn't that far from SS3 Goku, so unless you have a tiny Super Saiyan 3 multiplier, then Boo can't be that close to SS2 Majin Vegeta.

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How is this "Majin buu let Vegeta hit him"? Buu knows well that if he his body gets vaporized to a certain point he will too die. There is nothing in this chapter that proves fat buu is giving a handicap to Vegeta.

 

[Nobel]

Ki control exists normally to show the stupidity of some characters

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Congratulations, you made my day.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Arai solos.

 

[Christmas Cack]

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How is this "Majin buu let Vegeta hit him"? Buu knows well that if he his body gets vaporized to a certain point he will too die. There is nothing in this chapter that proves fat buu is giving a handicap to Vegeta.

Notice how Vegeta immediately was the aggressor, and once he landed an attack that actually hurt Boo a little, Boo retaliated and the fight pretty much ended there. Boo's blast crippled Vegeta's arm, and the belly gum wrapped him up and he needed saving from the boys. After that he went with self-destruction. Excuse my naivety, but I fail to see how Boo wasn't noticeably stronger than Vegeta.

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Congratulations, you made my day.

You're welcome. I almost appreciate the ad hominem this time.

 

[Ansatsuken]

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How is this "Majin buu let Vegeta hit him"? Buu knows well that if he his body gets vaporized to a certain point he will too die. There is nothing in this chapter that proves fat buu is giving a handicap to Vegeta.

Do you even read manga. Never once Buu/Babidi said Buu will die when his body get vaporized to a certain point?

I'll feed you

This as Fat Buu
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Kid Buu
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In general Kid Buu the original Buu can regenerated from nothing as he was actually a conceptual/astral type of being.

Tell me where it said Kid Buu will die if he get blast and vaporize completely? Tell me where certain point you speaked about coming from?

Even Vegeta suicide blast couldnt kill him. Now wot m8. Wat manga you been readin?

Dont tell me "You dont know about Buu" inside your next reply. I ready to debate you seriously if you're not writing *full of your self* post.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Do you even read manga. Never once Buu/Babidi said Buu will die when his body get vaporized to a certain point?

I'll feed you

This as Fat Buu
1.

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Kid Buu
2.

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In general Kid Buu the original Buu can regenerated from nothing as he was actually a conceptual/astral type of being.

Tell me where it said Kid Buu will die if he get blast and vaporize completely? Tell me where certain point you speaked about coming from?

Even Vegeta suicide blast couldnt kill him. Now wot m8. Wat manga you been readin?

Dont tell me "You dont know about Buu" inside your next reply. I ready to debate you seriously if you're not writing *full of your self* post.

Theres no point in arguing with this guy, hes just like that other guy cant remember what his name was.

 

[Nobel]

Do you even read manga. Never once Buu/Babidi said Buu will die when his body get vaporized to a certain point?

I'll feed you

This as Fat Buu
1.

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Kid Buu
2.

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In general Kid Buu the original Buu can regenerated from nothing as he was actually a conceptual/astral type of being.

Tell me where it said Kid Buu will die if he get blast and vaporize completely? Tell me where certain point you speaked about coming from?

Even Vegeta suicide blast couldnt kill him. Now wot m8. Wat manga you been readin?

Dont tell me "You dont know about Buu" inside your next reply. I ready to debate you seriously if you're not writing *full of your self* post.

Are you seriously comparing kid buu and fat buu?

Sorry to say this, but you know ZERO things about how majin buu works. His regeneration is limited and he is aware that if he gets destroyed enough he would die. Also the regeneration depletes his energy the more occasional he uses it. Kid buu is evil manifested as a pink chewing gum and has almost infinite energy. He is a force of nature itself.

I sincerely wonder what respective omniverse you originated from.