Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durability?

[DominiqueX]

Re: Wtf, RSM naruto stabbed by sasuke's sword? 4tails durability > RSM naruto durabil

Yeah, what did you expect?
A glowing body is nothing compared to a body that is completely flooded with raw chakra, which lets even the skin of Naruto crumble away. Naruto's glowing chakra modes don't give him the resistance of Susanoo or something.

Also, not every sagemode grants durability. That is something that seems to be unique to frog-sagemode, even while Jiraiya and Minato didn't really show that either. Madara with Hashirama-sagemode was easily stabbed with a sword too.

And I don't think that Rikudou-senjutsu/sagemode grants special durability or a stronger body either.

Rikudo sage mode able to tank sasuke's chidori

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This right here is the only bullsh!t regarding sagemode, that I see.
That chidori should've pierced Naruto, not just knock him back like it was a punch with the fist, lol.

 

[Prometheus 2000]

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It's not something that should be taken seriously. How does being rusty drop your durability?

Besides, Naruto without using RSM completely no sold a moon cutting blade head on. That alone proves that Kishimoto was just writing without thought lol.

 

[Ambivalence]

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Besides, Naruto without using RSM completely no sold a moon cutting blade head on. That alone proves that Kishimoto was just writing without thought lol.

No, that proves you either didn't really watch the movie or you just didn't understand. Naruto concentrated the whole KCSM Mode in his fist and split the beam by charging through it. That blade has only been proven to cut through basic rocks and its size is irrelevant to its cutting power, so how exactly is it a surprise that KCSM tanked it?

 

[Marin]

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Yeah, what did you expect?
A glowing body is nothing compared to a body that is completely flooded with raw chakra, which lets even the skin of Naruto crumble away. Naruto's glowing chakra modes don't give him the resistance of Susanoo or something.

Also, not every sagemode grants durability. That is something that seems to be unique to frog-sagemode, even while Jiraiya and Minato didn't really show that either. Madara with Hashirama-sagemode was easily stabbed with a sword too.

And I don't think that Rikudou-senjutsu/sagemode grants special durability or a stronger body either.

I was thinking something along the lines too. Tough it seems improbable that Naruto's Cloack could tank stuff like hits from Raikage while falling victim to a sword.

Also, Sage mode gives you healing not necesarily tanking power. Tough Naruto's Sage mode CAN tank.

 

[DominiqueX]

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I was thinking something along the lines too. Tough it seems improbable that Naruto's Cloack could tank stuff like hits from Raikage while falling victim to a sword.

Yeah, true too.
But I do think that a punch with a fist is still not a stab with a sharp blade

 

[Marin]

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Yeah, true too.
But I do think that a punch with a fist is still not a stab with a sharp blade

If it's coming from A (aka Chuck Norris of NV) then it's even worse. xD

 

[Honord Sage]

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You did not see Naruto’s chakra cloak fully spread like the others panels,thats wat stop Orochimaru sword nor the balls that stop Sasuke Chidori. But even at not fully power up Naruto did not need a Medic He heal His own wound the way Tsunade would have done with Her seal,quiet impressive don’t you think?

 

[Oblivionx]

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There's actually nothing wrong with this if we stop being delusional. It was implied throught out manga that weapons can penetrate flesh no matter how hard someone has made it. That's why minato was so confident about getting past 4th raikage's lightning armor with a mere kunai when even chidori failed to hurt him. Ninjutsu defenses are for ninjutsu. Except for susano or kyubi extension cloak as they are separated from body and that's why person can be separated from susano and vice versa.
The 1st image you showed is purely kyubi, not naruto's body and that's why kusanagi failed to penetrate it.
in 2nd image, naruto blocked the punch but in now way punch would have penetrated the body anyway. Naruto was a more powerful ninja in KCM than Ay so it's obvious he can block his attack.
3rd image again jus like a punch can't penetrate even if hit directly, falling didn't hurt him much either. Yes the overall body toughens up via SM but in no way naruto is impenetrable by a kunai in SM.
in last image, naruto clearly sensed sasuke before sasuke strike so he reacted but couldn't react good enough that's why got hit but didn't get hurt much. If you think RSM naruto can't be hurt or penetrated by a chidori, why the hell do you think sasuke even bothered? Doesn't he know of naruto's durability? or may be fans know better. It's all perception. naruto was in BM and hinata was able to shift his joint with a single hit, implying she could have broken it too if naruto got hit directly like that. Nobody has been shown in manga that can not be penetrated by a simple weapon with enough force behind it. Mostly shields have been used to block ninjutsu since most ninjas rely on ninjutsu...

 

[Xlad]

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Remember when Naruto had a dislocated shoulder even with his BM cloak on? Yeah...

 

[Prometheus 2000]

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No, that proves you either didn't really watch the movie or you just didn't understand. Naruto concentrated the whole KCSM Mode in his fist and split the beam by charging through it. That blade has only been proven to cut through basic rocks and its size is irrelevant to its cutting power, so how exactly is it a surprise that KCSM tanked it?

When Toneri cut Naruto, he slammed him all the way down through the moon and Naruto wasn't even visibly damaged.

When Toneri did that, he pretty much recreated the same scene of Orochimaru trying to pierce through Naruto's 4 Tails form except it was a much better feat due to the fact Naruto got plowed through the moon and the force generated couldn't even hurt him.

 

[Ambivalence]

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Exactly, I have no idea where that fanfic protection against bladed offense came from.

Though you're wrong towards the end - Naruto sensing Sasuke had nothing to do with RSM blocking Chidori, and Sasuke tried Chidori because it was still base Naruto he thought he'd attack after he fired the Katon. [

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[Oblivionx]

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Exactly, I have no idea where that fanfic protection against bladed offense came from.

Though you're wrong towards the end - Naruto sensing Sasuke had nothing to do with RSM blocking Chidori, and Sasuke tried Chidori because it was still base Naruto he thought he'd attack after he fired the Katon. [

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no i don't agree... sasuke has the best eyes in manga so you think he couldn't see through fire? Also that fire attack was set up jus for next attack. it was his plan to surprise naruto as he knew naruto was a sharp sensor so if naruto had seen sasuke disappear, he would have reacted to chidori. It was plan. Sasuke is not an idiot. He knew what naruto will use to block fire jutsu but wanted to blind him otherwise a fire jutsu wasn't even hurting naruto let alone killing him..

 

[LightSo6p]

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I got to say the fight sasuke was in right before awesome wish it could of been longer lol, but i don't think naruto should be getting pierced by anything because thats one of the things papa show him that could n'thappen but guess thats for frogs, sasuke did say it was blocking his movements after being hit so it could be because of the ms ability use on the sword idk lol

 

[LoZelda101]

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That's how it works, otherwise half of the feats in the manga make no sense, and I'd easily be able to say that a shuriken does more damage than a mountain-buster.

About KN4 and V2 Jins - as I already said, the shroud being composed of Kurama's chakra entirely gives it a layer of defense with actual protection against physical weapons, so you listing quality of chakra doesn't make any difference as we're not talking about the same type of defense. Of course, V2 Jins are not immune to cutting, as Kakashi sliced through multiple tails with a Raikiri Chain, which was seemingly enough to overcome that chakra layer. Now, a base Chidori vs RSM cloak? Of course that wouldn't get past it. But since even that same RSM cloak doesn't have that one property unique to V2 Jins, it will still get pierced by physical weapons.

isn't pierce, slice and cut the same category? i thought sage mode would have a durability resistance against any piercing/slicing physical effects, like when naruto fell on top on the bed spikes. surely falling from that height from the momentum would be more effective than sasuke's sword which was already near naruto to begin with. yet the sword pierces naruto but not the bed spikes. (both not infused with chakra)

Yeah, what did you expect?
A glowing body is nothing compared to a body that is completely flooded with raw chakra, which lets even the skin of Naruto crumble away. Naruto's glowing chakra modes don't give him the resistance of Susanoo or something.

Also, not every sagemode grants durability. That is something that seems to be unique to frog-sagemode, even while Jiraiya and Minato didn't really show that either. Madara with Hashirama-sagemode was easily stabbed with a sword too.

And I don't think that Rikudou-senjutsu/sagemode grants special durability or a stronger body either.


This right here is the only bullsh!t regarding sagemode, that I see.
That chidori should've pierced Naruto, not just knock him back like it was a punch with the fist, lol.

lol i love that ellen page pic T_T. anyways, yeah i think you're right about the senjutsu durability not being universal.

It's not something that should be taken seriously. How does being rusty drop your durability?

Besides, Naruto without using RSM completely no sold a moon cutting blade head on. That alone proves that Kishimoto was just writing without thought lol.

" it has nothing to do with being rusty.''

 

[Ambivalence]

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When Toneri cut Naruto, he slammed him all the way down through the moon and Naruto wasn't even visibly damaged.

When Toneri did that, he pretty much recreated the same scene of Orochimaru trying to pierce through Naruto's 4 Tails form except it was a much better feat due to the fact Naruto got plowed through the moon and the force generated couldn't even hurt him.

Again, how does this prove that Kishimoto doesn't know what he's writing? That move was massively bigger than a sword, so of course it'd slam Naruto down in the Moon, but its cutting power isn't enough to penetrate the cloak and hurt Naruto. And lol, how is it a surprise The Last can survive that with no damage? War Arc KCM Naruto tanked Juubi's Tenpenchii, so The Last KCSM Naruto (who was using Rikudou chakra) tanking that is completely credible.

 

[Ambivalence]

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no i don't agree... sasuke has the best eyes in manga so you think he couldn't see through fire? Also that fire attack was set up jus for next attack. it was his plan to surprise naruto as he knew naruto was a sharp sensor so if naruto had seen sasuke disappear, he would have reacted to chidori. It was plan. Sasuke is not an idiot. He knew what naruto will use to block fire jutsu but wanted to blind him otherwise a fire jutsu wasn't even hurting naruto let alone killing him..

Sasuke uses base Chidori to try and kill even Kaguya, so that means nothing. And how do you know he knew what Naruto was going to use? He could've just jumped or moved away from the fireball.

Either way, Naruto being conscious of an attack means nothing to RSM's durability, and I really hope that ridiculous argument dies.

 

[Kunihi]

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It's either Sasuke's sword is just that powerful, or it has the power of plot.

Either way, Naruto wouldn't be the first thing it stabbed that a normal sword shouldn't have, cuz it did the same thing to juubidara. Juubidara is the guy who wasn't cut in half by the attack that cut the shinjuu in half, and wasn't even pierced by black chidori, yet sasuke's katana goes through him like butter. Sasuke's sword also doesn't break when it clashes against momoshiki's weapons, the same energy weapons that has feats comparable to Madara's PS.

So to me, it's not naruto's durability in question, it's just that Sasuke's sword is super powerful for unexplained reasons.

 

[Ambivalence]

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Top 3 of my fave arguments:

1. Naruto wasn't conscious of that attack/RSM cloak's durability depends on Naruto paying attention
2. Sasuke's sword is extraordinarily powerful
3. Plot/Kishi doesn't know what he's doing

 

[LoZelda101]

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It's either Sasuke's sword is just that powerful, or it has the power of plot.

Either way, Naruto wouldn't be the first thing it stabbed that a normal sword shouldn't have, cuz it did the same thing to juubidara. Juubidara is the guy who wasn't cut in half by the attack that cut the shinjuu in half, and wasn't even pierced by black chidori, yet sasuke's katana goes through him like butter. Sasuke's sword also doesn't break when it clashes against momoshiki's weapons, the same energy weapons that has feats comparable to Madara's PS.

So to me, it's not naruto's durability in question, it's just that Sasuke's sword is super powerful for unexplained reasons.

Shit then, sasuke should've souped up his sword instead of his susanoo with the bijuu chakra. GG oh wait, his sword wasn't even at VOTE2. lmao handicap!!!!!! too hax!!! kusanagi is naruto's kryptonite! sword of Kusanagi = totsuka! jk

Top 3 of my fave arguments:

1. Naruto wasn't conscious of that attack/RSM cloak's durability depends on Naruto paying attention
2. Sasuke's sword is extraordinarily powerful
3. Plot

I hate plot armor arguments the most.

 

[Prometheus 2000]

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Again, how does this prove that Kishimoto doesn't know what he's writing?

Because he implies that the power behind swords with hardly any momentum is stronger than swords swung with plenty of momentum. I honestly chalk it down to PIS, which is a common trope in anime/manga (God Goku nearly died to a laser beam lol).

That move was massively bigger than a sword, so of course it'd slam Naruto down in the Moon, but its cutting power isn't enough to penetrate the cloak and hurt Naruto.

It's the force behind the attack that impressed me honestly.

And lol, how is it a surprise The Last can survive that with no damage? War Arc KCM Naruto tanked Juubi's Tenpenchii, so The Last KCSM Naruto (who was using Rikudou chakra) tanking that is completely credible.

It's not a surprise to me, but for some reason people believe that KCM and above cloaks are inferior to Naruto's tailed forms even though it's literally the same chakra. That's just weird If you ask me lol.