So when Itachi & kisame..

[nointro]

Visited the village in part 1 & Itachi said that he would die if he fought Jiraiya he was just lying so he wouldn't have to kill him right? Jiraiya even with sage mode > Itachi.

 

[Joon]

IDK. But I do agree with the fact that he said that it would be a stalemate and they could mortal wound each other.

 

[Ricardo]

wouldn't have to kill him right? Jiraiya even with sage mode > Itachi.

Hahahah!!

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Jiraiya didn't even know what Amaterasu was at that time, he would just be blitz by Itachi. :bdpf:

 

[Mari Makinami]

gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

Spoiler

not really

 

[The Necromancer]

Actually, he said that He, and Kisame, and Akatsuki backup couldn't even beat Jiraiya.

So yeah. He was lying. But not to protect himself.

And don't let any moron tell you they weren't talking about Jiraiya, but about the Kyuubi being a problem. It's literally the most retarded argument on this forum.

 

[nointro]

gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

Spoiler

not really

Good for you

 

[nointro]

Actually, he said that He, and Kisame, and Akatsuki backup couldn't even beat Jiraiya.

So yeah. He was lying. But not to protect himself.

Then who was he trying to protect? Hidden leaf ninja from getting killed?

 

[The Necromancer]

Then who was he trying to protect? Hidden leaf ninja from getting killed?

Yessir. He was a Konoha shinobi through and through. He had no desire to permanently harm Konoha in any way.

 

[Joon]

Then who was he trying to protect? Hidden leaf ninja from getting killed?

Mostly Sasuke.

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[TenseiganFTW]

Jiraya was weaker than Oro...
Itachi>Oro>Jiraya...

 

[Ambivalence]

Obviously he was lying, since that statement makes absolutely zero sense otherwise: he said him + Kisame + Akatsuki-level reinforcements wouldn't make a difference (lol), which some people still use as an "argument" to this day.

Tbh, it makes more sense if he was talking about Kurama at first, then Kisame switched to talking about Jiraiya, but that's not true.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Itachi was talking about Kurama(or specifically, his Jinchuriki if Kuram's power got out). Kisame said it was great to finally meet "him", with the "him" in that statement being the same as the "him" from Itachi's statement about he'd die if he fought "him," even with reinforcements, and that it was a shame that his babysitter showed up, which refers to Jiraiya.

If Itachi was saying he and Jiraiya would kill each other, then Kisame's statement would mean "It was to great to meet Jiraiya, until Jiraiya's babysitter, Jiraiya, showed up."

Actually, he said that He, and Kisame, and Akatsuki backup couldn't even beat Jiraiya.

So yeah. He was lying. But not to protect himself.

And don't let any moron tell you they weren't talking about Jiraiya, but about the Kyuubi being a problem. It's literally the most retarded argument on this forum.

So you think that's more retarded than Kisame saying "Meeting Jiraiya was great, until Jiraiya's babysitter, Jiraiya, showed up." Gotcha, makes sense.

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[The Necromancer]

Itachi was talking about Kurama(or specifically, his Jinchuriki if Kuram's power got out). Kisame said it was great to finally meet "him", with the "him" in that statement being the same as the "him" from Itachi's statement about he'd die if he fought "him," even with reinforcements, and that it was a shame that his babysitter showed up, which refers to Jiraiya.

If Itachi was saying he and Jiraiya would kill each other, then Kisame's statement would mean "It was to great to meet Jiraiya, until Jiraiya's babysitter, Jiraiya, showed up."

Told you it was coming.

 

[Pyro NB]

Yessir. He was a Konoha shinobi through and through. He had no desire to permanently harm Konoha in any way.

!00% on board with this.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Told you it was coming.

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If "him" was referring to Jiraiya, then that panel of Kisame goes "It was finally great meeting him(Jiraiya) at the Ramen Shop, but....his babysitter(also Jiraiya) was one of the Sannin."

Jiraiya is the babysitter of Jiraiya confirmed.

 

[The Necromancer]

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If "him" was referring to Jiraiya, then that panel of Kisame goes "It was finally great meeting him(Jiraiya) at the Ramen Shop, but....his babysitter(also Jiraiya) was one of the Sannin."

Jiraiya is the babysitter of Jiraiya confirmed.

I'm leaving now, so I don't have time to debate this. And even if I did, I will never take this argument seriously.

But I just want you to realize that by following your belief through to conclusion, you're telling me that Itachi and Kisame planned to commit suicide against Naruto.

Once you realize that, go reread their encounter, see how overwhelmingly in control Itachi and Kisame were of the situation before Jiraiya showed up, and tell me again that their main concern was the Jinchuriki they were laughing at and not the Sannin they ran from.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm leaving now, so I don't have time to debate this. And even if I did, I will never take this argument seriously.

But I just want you to realize that by following your belief through to conclusion, you're telling me that Itachi and Kisame planned to commit suicide against Naruto.

Once you realize that, go reread their encounter, see how overwhelmingly in control Itachi and Kisame were of the situation before Jiraiya showed up, and tell me again that their main concern was the Jinchuriki they were laughing at and not the Sannin they ran from.

The bolded is where you are incorrect. Not against Naruto. The Akatsuki almost never actually acknowledged the Jinchuriki themselves, but saw them only as the shells for the Bijuu, caring little to none about the actual person. They are not referring to Naruto, but to Kurama. To them, Naruto may as well not even exist. For example, Pein said he was going to Konoha to find the Nine-Tails, not to find Naruto.

Your argument says that Kisame thought it was great that they met Jiraiya at the Ramen Shop(they met him in the hotel), but it was a shame that his babysitter, Jiraiya showed up. The fact that that somehow makes more sense to you than them referring to Kurama as the one that could kill them(we've seen what Kurama's power can do in the war, matching the power of five Bijuu bombs on its own), and that it was a shame that Jiraiya interrupted them meeting Kurama. That says a lot more about you than it does me.

 

[true enigma]

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Jiraiya didn't even know what Amaterasu was at that time, he would just be blitz by Itachi. :bdpf:

Lol pretty much this... with out me having to give more obvious reasoning.

 

[The Necromancer]

The bolded is where you are incorrect. Not against Naruto. The Akatsuki almost never actually acknowledged the Jinchuriki themselves, but saw them only as the shells for the Bijuu, caring little to none about the actual person. They are not referring to Naruto, but to Kurama. To them, Naruto may as well not even exist. For example, Pein said he was going to Konoha to find the Nine-Tails, not to find Naruto.

Your argument says that Kisame thought it was great that they met Jiraiya at the Ramen Shop(they met him in the hotel), but it was a shame that his babysitter, Jiraiya showed up. The fact that that somehow makes more sense to you than them referring to Kurama as the one that could kill them(we've seen what Kurama's power can do in the war, matching the power of five Bijuu bombs on its own), and that it was a shame that Jiraiya interrupted them meeting Kurama. That says a lot more about you than it does me.

Literally none of the bold is true. Apparently you're debating claims I didn't even make.

Let me make it painfully clear for you.

Kisame-
"Even if you might be able to take (Jiraiya) on, I'm not so sure about me. (Jiraiya)'s in a different league.

Itachi-
"Yeah... even if (Jiraiya and I) faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least we'd hurt each other badly. ...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome."

Kisame-
"It was great finally finding (Naruto) at the Ramen shop, but... his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of Konoha legend. With (Jiraiya) as our enemy, even the titles Konoha's Uchiha clan, and Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist pale in comparison."

Itachi-
"Yeah however... even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses..."



This is painfully obvious. Thankfully, the grammar is so poor that no matter how you try to spin it, it doesn't work. So Occam's Razor takes the cake here.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Literally none of the bold is true. Apparently you're debating claims I didn't even make.

Let me make it painfully clear for you.

Kisame-
"Even if you might be able to take (Jiraiya) on, I'm not so sure about me. (Jiraiya)'s in a different league.

Itachi-
"Yeah... even if (Jiraiya and I) faced off, we might end up killing each other. At the very least we'd hurt each other badly. ...and even if I had more backup, it probably wouldn't change the outcome."

Kisame-
"It was great finally finding (Naruto) at the Ramen shop, but... his babysitter was one of the three great shinobi of Konoha legend. With (Jiraiya) as our enemy, even the titles Konoha's Uchiha clan, and Seven Ninja Swordsmen of the Mist pale in comparison."

Itachi-
"Yeah however... even the strongest heroes have their weaknesses..."



This is painfully obvious. Thankfully, the grammar is so poor that no matter how you try to spin it, it doesn't work. So Occam's Razor takes the cake here.

That chain of communication occurred me, but seems like an unnatural transition. To go from talking about Jiraiya, then Naruto, then back to Jiraiya as though he's talking about him for the first time in the conversation makes no sense.