Gotenks (base) vs SS2 vegeta

[Dark Sonic]

Oh I see.



Super buu takes the win. He is both smarter and stronger than kid buu.

Super buu can form plans and strategies and is a better fighter his power level is higher than super saiyan 3 goku and gotenks while kid buu is inferior to ssj 3 goku.

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Goku ssj3= 24,000,000,000

super buu= 32,000,000,000U_U

True. I think that's the same power scale I use as well. Gohan in his Mystic form is 70,000,000,000 imo.

Yeah it's obvious for me to see that Kid Buu would get rekt by Super Buu and even by Gohan if he was with Goku and Vegeta.

 

[Nobel]

True. I think that's the same power scale I use as well. Gohan in his Mystic form is 70,000,000,000 imo.

Yeah it's obvious for me to see that Kid Buu would get rekt by Super Buu and even by Gohan if he was with Goku and Vegeta.

Didnt you learn that Powerlevels are equal to bullshit in the dragon ball universe?

Read my statement before, super buu is not superior to kid buu.

OT: read TimothyTheTomato's post, he knows what he is talking about

 

[Dark Sonic]

Didnt you learn that Powerlevels are equal to bullshit in the dragon ball universe?

Read my statement before, super buu is not superior to kid buu.

OT: read TimothyTheTomato's post, he knows what he is talking about

Alright I won't use Power Levels since yes, they have been shown to be inconsistent.

Anyway, how is Kid Buu stronger? Akira himself even stated that Gohan was the strongest non-fused character so if Kid Buu is stronger, then Goku > Gohan?

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Adult Gotenks takes this.

 

[Ripple Hole]

What ss2 Vegeta is this...?

 

[Nobel]

Alright I won't use Power Levels since yes, they have been shown to be inconsistent.

Anyway, how is Kid Buu stronger? Akira himself even stated that Gohan was the strongest non-fused character so if Kid Buu is stronger, then Goku > Gohan?

Pls do come forth and tell me WHERE he claims such a thing. Goku himself had a reason to not summon gohan during his battle with kid buu, even he can think logical in those situations.

What ss2 Vegeta is this...?

Buu saga. or what you people prefer to call him "majin" vegeta.

 

[Itachi Minato]

Vegeta wins.
Super buu is stronger than kid buu.

 

[Nobel]

What ss2 Vegeta is this...?

Vegeta wins.
Super buu is stronger than kid buu.

Read my conclusion before, super buu is trash before kid buu

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Didnt you learn that Powerlevels are equal to bullshit in the dragon ball universe?

Read my statement before, super buu is not superior to kid buu.

OT: read TimothyTheTomato's post, he knows what he is talking about

No they aren't. Fan levels are bullshit. All manga pls are consistent in determining winner or loser. Opponent with higher ki always wins

 

[Nobel]

No they aren't. Fan levels are bullshit. All manga pls are consistent in determining winner or loser. Opponent with higher ki always wins

what?. Have you people still not learnt that powerlevels are useless in the dragon ball world? I thought that you actually watched dragon ball, a fights concluson is not always determined by how much ki the other opponent has. There's several other factors included.

Powerlevels are only created in purpose of not following them, Vegeta himself said PL scouters were useless since you only understimate the opponent in that way. Official powerlevels are trash but fanmade PL are even worse than trash.

 

[00Rinne]

This is a good vs thread by the way Tachyon!.

Well from what we've gathered in the series is that Majin Vegeta was equal to SS2 Goku somewhat i suppose. SS2 MV didn't stand a chance against fat buu. Gotenks was fighting a superior version of fat buu.

But the thing is in this case... do we go off power or do we go off experience.

I could say that the win would go to Gotenks off power because he fought a superior buu then Vegeta did but had little experience in a true battle.

Then i could say SS2 MV version would take the win cause of the experience and battle sense.

The bout could really go either way. If Gotenks doesn't get serious then i'd say SS2 MV takes this lil diff

But if it's Gotenks base with intent to kill, then he could wipe the floor with him just because they would have a extra lvl of power to keep at him for some time. (This should be of course without the restrictions of the fusion time limit)

Just my opinion on it...

 

[Nobel]

This is a good vs thread by the way Tachyon!.

Well from what we've gathered in the series is that Majin Vegeta was equal to SS2 Goku somewhat i suppose. SS2 MV didn't stand a chance against fat buu. Gotenks was fighting a superior version of fat buu.

But the thing is in this case... do we go off power or do we go off experience.

I could say that the win would go to Gotenks off power because he fought a superior buu then Vegeta did but had little experience in a true battle.

Then i could say SS2 MV version would take the win cause of the experience and battle sense.

The bout could really go either way. If Gotenks doesn't get serious then i'd say SS2 MV takes this lil diff

But if it's Gotenks base with intent to kill, then he could wipe the floor with him just because they would have a extra lvl of power to keep at him for some time. (This should be of course without the restrictions of the fusion time limit)

Just my opinion on it...

Oh pls only reason gotenks ever landed some damage against super buu was that buu let him, and those punches was clearly not enough. The only way was to trick super buu with that childish kamikaze attack . Gotenks stands no chance against Vegeta with that fighting sense.

 

[Christmas Cack]

SS3 Gotenks > SS2 Gotenks > SS Gotenks (post-ROSAT) > base Gotenks (post-ROSAT) > SS Gotenks (pre-ROSAT) >~ SS3 Goku > base Gotenks (pre-ROSAT) ~ SS2 Majin Vegeta

That's if you're going purely by the manga. The anime is a mess and the new material like BOG/ROF/Super can't come up with a coherent strength chain even as a joke. Also, there's a good lot of information in the following links:

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If you honestly read that (mostly the first link as it's more to the point and easier on the eyes), and put away the bias and anime-exclusive junk, then we'll see if you still think Gotenks is as weak as irrelevant ants like the androids...

Any thoughts on my post that was just approved by the mods?

Are we not allowed to post links to Neoseeker? Because my first link was a thread from there and it got edited out for some reason...

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

what?. Have you people still not learnt that powerlevels are useless in the dragon ball world? I thought that you actually watched dragon ball, a fights concluson is not always determined by how much ki the other opponent has. There's several other factors included.

Powerlevels are only created in purpose of not following them, Vegeta himself said PL scouters were useless since you only understimate the opponent in that way. Official powerlevels are trash but fanmade PL are even worse than trash.

He said that because they could hide their true power smfh. The winner always has more ki. Raditz lost because piccolo used an attack with too much power for him. Meaning its battle power was superior to his but he was shocked because he didn't know they're battle powers change with different techniques. What's the difference between ss1 goku and ss2 goku? An increased battle power. Db isn't naruto its pretty straight forward. People can sense who's stronger. Pls or battle power or ki strength is never put into question. Just reliance on scouters
Boy what the Hell you talking about. Vegeta beat zarbon in his rematch because he had a higher pl that time than before. Stronger ki,he was stronger. This isn't naruto and there isn't room for much strategy/factors other than magic to determine things because ki determines durability,speed,power,etc.
What's the difference between kkx2 goku and kkx3 goku? A higher pl. And there is no way the lower is gonna win. Not one time in the whole manga has a Smaller ki dominated a larger. Never. Scouters are bullshit. Ki strength is the basis of dragon ball but scouters are tricky because they can't determine when somebody is concealing power. When vegeta locked onto gokus pl being at 5000 it was a bad pl to use because it was only the tip of the iceberg because the z fighters can lower there power. Vegeta said so himself. Ive read this manga more than anything

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

If you mean power levels as in planet trade organization scouter numbers than you're right and wrong. Theyre bullshit when they're not gauging someone's REAL power. But ki is the thing in db that matters. So its level does matter.

 

[Ansatsuken]

when one *fan* think he knew DB better than anyone in NB. *Shout out to Tachyon or stant whoever alt he was*

DB fans can be sick to watch especially the unreasonable one or full of himself fan.

 

[Nobel]

He said that because they could hide their true power smfh. The winner always has more ki. Raditz lost because piccolo used an attack with too much power for him. Meaning its battle power was superior to his but he was shocked because he didn't know they're battle powers change with different techniques. What's the difference between ss1 goku and ss2 goku? An increased battle power. Db isn't naruto its pretty straight forward. People can sense who's stronger. Pls or battle power or ki strength is never put into question. Just reliance on scouters
Boy what the Hell you talking about. Vegeta beat zarbon in his rematch because he had a higher pl that time than before. Stronger ki,he was stronger. This isn't naruto and there isn't room for much strategy/factors other than magic to determine things because ki determines durability,speed,power,etc.
What's the difference between kkx2 goku and kkx3 goku? A higher pl. And there is no way the lower is gonna win. Not one time in the whole manga has a Smaller ki dominated a larger. Never. Scouters are bullshit. Ki strength is the basis of dragon ball but scouters are tricky because they can't determine when somebody is concealing power. When vegeta locked onto gokus pl being at 5000 it was a bad pl to use because it was only the tip of the iceberg because the z fighters can lower there power. Vegeta said so himself. Ive read this manga more than anything

Honestly you have clearly never read dragon ball if you think ki output is everything. Look at USSJ future trunks, when he fought perfect cell he had increased the ki output by a large margin. But did he win? No. And you think battle strategy doesnt play a role in the dragon ball world? Pls it seems like you read dragon ball with closed eyes, your pitiful statements are cosmic ages far from the truth.

How do you think captian ginyu did almost win goku? Because his ki was larger? No it was not. Strategy and fighting sense plays a HUGE role in the dragon ball world. YOU are speaking about a entirely different manga now. Its how you use the ki.

when one *fan* think he knew DB better than anyone in NB. *Shout out to Tachyon or stant whoever alt he was*

DB fans can be sick to watch especially the unreasonable one or full of himself fan.

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Oh look the trash still havent realized his position, honestly its difficult to tell if you are human or not depending on the patheticness of your response.

Is this your best? This is a debate about dragon ball not about how sick you are. You only prove how insignificant your existence is by not even trying to contradict my statements in a logical sense. But dont worry i am sure the event horizon has "space" for you.

Its a very amusing response from the one who cannot prove the meaning of his words.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Honestly you have clearly never read dragon ball if you think ki output is everything. Look at USSJ future trunks, when he fought perfect cell he had increased the ki output by a large margin. But did he win? No. And you think battle strategy doesnt play a role in the dragon ball world? Pls it seems like you read dragon ball with closed eyes, your pitiful statements are cosmic ages far from the truth.

How do you think captian ginyu did almost win goku? Because his ki was larger? No it was not. Strategy and fighting sense plays a HUGE role in the dragon ball world. YOU are speaking about a entirely different manga now. Its how you use the ki.

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Oh look the trash still havent realized his position, honestly its difficult to tell if you are human or not depending on the patheticness of your response.

Is this your best? This is a debate about dragon ball not about how sick you are. You only prove how insignificant your existence is by not even trying to contradict my statements in a logical sense. But dont worry i am sure the event horizon has "space" for you.

Its a very amusing response from the one who cannot prove the meaning of his words.

Trunks is the only special case because the form drained his speed. ki usually increases it. With superior ki,vegeta put a hole in zarbon. and like i said,special moves and magic can change this. but for the most part,except special cases like the assj form. ki determines the fight. you cant name a single instant where a superior ki with no defects lost to a weaker one without a hax or weakness. You only can have like 2 or 3 examples compared to the hundreds of fights. Stronger ki=faster and stronger in normal cases. This sint naruto,large gaps are almost impossible to transverse with strategy alone. ex. Raditz vs goku and piccolo,they only won with an attack that exeeded his power. ex.freeza vs the z fighters,ex.vegetas fights against zarbon and dodoria.



power levels are bullshit when
they dont gauge your full power
when you use them to predict stats

but they are good for determining who is stronger because they are similar to ki sensing statements. power levels are bullshit. toryama said he stopped using the nnumbers because it made fights to easy to predict. Author>you and not once in the manga has a higher ki fallen to a weaker one unless a weakness is exploited. pl is measurement of ki. ki determines power. characters get stronger when they train their ki. And captain ginyu won because he switched bodies. Why did he switch bodies? Because Goku had a stronger ki, and if ginyu didnt switch hed be rofl stomped. If trunks didnt have a speed weakness, cell wouldve been rofl stomped. hax,weakness,and magic are the only things that transend ki tiers but for the most part they are very consistent. Take that argument to an actual db forum with that same snobby attitude and watch yourself become the dunce of the website. Strategy does do wonders in db, with goku and piccolo there strategy was effective because it ended in the landing of an attck superior to raditz pl. Scouters are bullshit. but accurate sensing always works. korin and goku sensed cell had more ki, cell was superior to goku. freeza raised his ki against goku and did better. What you are saying basically means ki iis shit and doesnt mean anything because of internet propoganda



again power levels are bullshit if youre not reffering to literal power level because scouters are bullshit

 

[Oblivionx]

lol vegeta murks. They are kids. SS2 gotenks would lose to SS2 vegeta. SS3 would win but high diff as they are stupid.
And super vegeta even SS2 will win against SS3 gotenks i'd dare say...

 

[Nobel]

Trunks is the only special case because the form drained his speed. ki usually increases it. With superior ki,vegeta put a hole in zarbon. and like i said,special moves and magic can change this. but for the most part,except special cases like the assj form. ki determines the fight. you cant name a single instant where a superior ki with no defects lost to a weaker one without a hax or weakness. You only can have like 2 or 3 examples compared to the hundreds of fights. Stronger ki=faster and stronger in normal cases. This sint naruto,large gaps are almost impossible to transverse with strategy alone. ex. Raditz vs goku and piccolo,they only won with an attack that exeeded his power. ex.freeza vs the z fighters,ex.vegetas fights against zarbon and dodoria.



power levels are bullshit when
they dont gauge your full power
when you use them to predict stats

but they are good for determining who is stronger because they are similar to ki sensing statements. power levels are bullshit. toryama said he stopped using the nnumbers because it made fights to easy to predict. Author>you and not once in the manga has a higher ki fallen to a weaker one unless a weakness is exploited. pl is measurement of ki. ki determines power. characters get stronger when they train their ki. And captain ginyu won because he switched bodies. Why did he switch bodies? Because Goku had a stronger ki, and if ginyu didnt switch hed be rofl stomped. If trunks didnt have a speed weakness, cell wouldve been rofl stomped. hax,weakness,and magic are the only things that transend ki tiers but for the most part they are very consistent. Take that argument to an actual db forum with that same snobby attitude and watch yourself become the dunce of the website. Strategy does do wonders in db, with goku and piccolo there strategy was effective because it ended in the landing of an attck superior to raditz pl. Scouters are bullshit. but accurate sensing always works. korin and goku sensed cell had more ki, cell was superior to goku. freeza raised his ki against goku and did better. What you are saying basically means ki iis shit and doesnt mean anything because of internet propoganda



again power levels are bullshit if youre not reffering to literal power level because scouters are bullshit

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What? akira said WHAT? Sigh.... the retardation you just emitted is beyond my imagination. When did akira said that he stopped using powerlevels because the fights were "too easy to predict". I dont even, pls begone while you are at it.