All manga canon, Clan tier thread

[lndra]

What no way Uzuamki is not that strong imo. A support group I would rank them C or B tier and thats being nice. Peak Senju and Uchiha stomp.

Who said the Uzumaki were a support group? The Clan members with no identity or teachings from the Clan were powerful enough with their Uzumaki blood. That being Karin in example who wasn't taught anything, but was capable of using her own abilities and activating the Uzumaki Chains to damage SS.

They were feared for their sealing abilities, and for that reason they became eradicated. Not to mention they are direct descendants of the Senju, whom are linked to Asura. To be totally honest, I would put the Uzumaki Clan right below the Senju/Uchiha in the Tier list, but I thought A Rank was better for classification since we don't know how well they could perform in combat.

However most Uzumaki Clan members we've seen are pretty powerful despite the lack of training from the Clan itself. Putting them anything below that is a disgrace to what the Manga has shown.

Especially since next generation Uzumaki stomp the Uchiha, hard.

 

[Michael]

Never seen someone solo themselves in only 2 posts. You contradict yourself.

No, you contradict yourself. Your thread claims power of clans as a "whole" yet the positioning/rank is based on the select few elites from each clan. For instance remove Madara,Sasuke,Itachi,shisui and obito and the uchiha become fodder. Literally a handful of elites make the uchiha.

 

[Dantee]

That's exactly what I said. Similar thoughts huh?

Who said the Uzumaki were a support group? The Clan members with no identity or teachings from the Clan were powerful enough with their Uzumaki blood. That being Karin in example who wasn't taught anything, but was capable of using her own abilities and activating the Uzumaki Chains to damage SS.

They were feared for their sealing abilities, and for that reason they became eradicated. Not to mention they are direct descendants of the Senju, whom are linked to Asura. To be totally honest, I would put the Uzumaki Clan right below the Senju/Uchiha in the Tier list, but I thought A Rank was better for classification since we don't know how well they could perform in combat.

However most Uzumaki Clan members we've seen are pretty powerful despite the lack of training from the Clan itself. Putting them anything below that is a disgrace to what the Manga has shown.

Especially since next generation Uzumaki stomp the Uchiha, hard.

Bruh lmao. You must be kidding lmao. Uzuamki isn't much of a clan right now nor isn't the UChiha. Are you actually going to sit here and start wanking Boruto and Naruto to say the Uzuamki tops the UChiha as a whole?

This list wasn't based on boruto manga clans becasue there is no info on clans there to go by. I'm basing my list on clans members as a whole. The reason UChihas have so many strong people is because they are the best capable at producing strong members repeatedly.

No, you contradict yourself. Your thread claims power of clans as a "whole" yet the positioning/rank is based on the select few elites from each clan. For instance remove Madara,Sasuke,Itachi,shisui and obito and the uchiha become fodder. Literally a handful of elites make the uchiha.

Dude you are the one who came storming in the thread talking about Naruto. Where do I even mention these people? And this doesn't help prove your point. Uchiha had a handful but what does the Uzumaki have? They only have Naruto. You just said 1 person doesn't make the plan yet you are wanking Naruto.

 

[lndra]

Bruh lmao. You must be kidding lmao. Uzuamki isn't much of a clan right now nor isn't the UChiha. Are you actually going to sit here and start wanking Boruto and Naruto to say the Uzuamki tops the UChiha as a whole?

And? What does that have to do with the fact that Bolt not only surpasses the Clan currently with his talent, but he also wrecks Sarada? Uzumaki was barely a Clan from the start, but at least Sarada will know OF her Clan abilities from Sasuke and will have the KKG. Meanwhile Bolt didn't inherit shit from Hinata except Taijutsu which anyone can learn with time, and from Naruto he inherited the Uzumaki reserves and body (most likely). Bolt and Naruto will never know their original Clan abilities compared to everyone else and they still stomp ... and yet :lol

You need to read my posts very carefully. I'm showing you that the Clan ain't no D Rank. One Clan member could hold down the Kyuubi on deathbed, and last time I checked the only Clan's who could stop a Tailed Beasts were powerful Uchiha with 3T/MS or Hashirama from the Senju.

Even Naruto's ass could stabilize the Bijuu in his body despite being a newborn, and hold the beast down with his own powerful chakras (stated by Yamato).

This list wasn't based on boruto manga clans becasue there is no info on clans there to go by. I'm basing my list on clans members as a whole. The reason UChihas have so many strong people is because they are the best capable at producing strong members repeatedly.

If that's the case then you clearly are nitpicking hard. Certainly enough members have said the same thing, so this isn't opinionated. People called out on this fact alone. Uzumaki are being downgraded.

 

[Dantee]

And? What does that have to do with the fact that Bolt not only surpasses the Clan currently with his talent, but he also wrecks Sarada? Uzumaki was barely a Clan from the start, but at least Sarada will know OF her Clan abilities from Sasuke and will have the KKG. Meanwhile Bolt didn't inherit shit from Hinata except Taijutsu which anyone can learn with time, and from Naruto he inherited the Uzumaki reserves and body (most likely). Bolt and Naruto will never know their original Clan abilities compared to everyone else and they still stomp ... and yet :lol

You need to read my posts very carefully. I'm showing you that the Clan ain't no D Rank. One Clan member could hold down the Kyuubi on deathbed, and last time I checked the only Clan's who could stop a Tailed Beasts were powerful Uchiha with 3T/MS or Hashirama from the Senju.

Even Naruto's ass could stabilize the Bijuu in his body despite being a newborn, and hold the beast down with his own powerful chakras (stated by Yamato).


If that's the case then you clearly are nitpicking hard. Certainly enough members have said the same thing, so this isn't opinionated. People called out on this fact alone. Uzumaki are being downgraded.

If the Uzuamki clan was to reform in the future then I would be inclined to agree however Im not. By this logic Juubi Madara and Obito are part of the Uchiha clan which isn't true.

 

[lndra]

If the Uzuamki clan was to reform in the future then I would be inclined to agree however Im not. By this logic Juubi Madara and Obito are part of the Uchiha clan which isn't true.

What? None of the Uzumaki I've talked about use other powers bar Naruto and Nagato, and they have nothing to do with the majority of points I listed out.

 

[Michael]

Bruh lmao. You must be kidding lmao. Uzuamki isn't much of a clan right now nor isn't the UChiha. Are you actually going to sit here and start wanking Boruto and Naruto to say the Uzuamki tops the UChiha as a whole?

This list wasn't based on boruto manga clans becasue there is no info on clans there to go by. I'm basing my list on clans members as a whole. The reason UChihas have so many strong people is because they are the best capable at producing strong members repeatedly.




Dude you are the one who came storming in the thread talking about Naruto. Where do I even mention these people? And this doesn't help prove your point. Uchiha had a handful but what does the Uzumaki have? They only have Naruto. You just said 1 person doesn't make the plan yet you are wanking Naruto.

Naruto, Nagato,Kushina,Mito and Karin would completely wreck 97% of the clans you listed. However my point is why accept those select few elites merits as a clan but deny Naruto?

 

[Dantee]

What? None of the Uzumaki I've talked about use other powers bar Naruto and Nagato, and they have nothing to do with the majority of points I listed out.

Only a few people were able to control Kurama. Naruto only got by because of his fathers special seal. Kushina,Mito,Karin, Naruto were special ones but besides Naruto not many used for fighting. So if clan strength counts as the 1 jin then I suppose they can be moved up if that's your reasoning but the thing is other villages had bijuu power too. Also it didn't stop the clan from getting destroyed alot sooner than the other powerful clans.

 

[lndra]

Only a few people were able to control Kurama. Naruto only got by because of his fathers special seal. Kushina,Mito,Karin, Naruto were special ones but besides Naruto not many used for fighting. So if clan strength counts as the 1 jin then I suppose they can be moved up if that's your reasoning.

Mito was capable of holding Kurama, Kushina was capable of holding Kurama, Nagato was capable of handling the Rinnegan, Karin was capable of stopping Zetsu's SS with her newly activated CC, and Naruto was capable of holding Kurama.

There's no evidence to disprove the fact that Karin and Nagato aren't capable of the same thing, especially given that some of their feats surpass that of Naruto's when it comes to overall Uzumaki stats (you know with him being only half).

These are the only Uzumaki shown in the Manga. Considering that 99% of them bar Naruto's children have shown the talent in something body wise so far, there's an extremely high chance that the rest of the Clan's were monsters.

Edit: Oh yeah and none of these shinobi showed any of the Uzumaki sealing abilities that the Clan was killed after :lol

 

[Dantee]

Mito was capable of holding Kurama, Kushina was capable of holding Kurama, Nagato was capable of handling the Rinnegan, Karin was capable of stopping Zetsu's SS with her newly activated CC, and Naruto was capable of holding Kurama.

There's no evidence to disprove the fact that Karin and Nagato aren't capable of the same thing, especially given that some of their feats surpass that of Naruto's when it comes to overall Uzumaki stats (you know with him being only half).

Okay but there can only be one Kurama jin per generation and they would have to be sure they can hold Kurama. And if we're basing their power on Kurama while not knowing the fighting ability of these jins would be fruitless. Karin, Kushina and Mito weren't really shown to be frontline fighters but having the chains is what really made them suitable for nine tails.

 

[lndra]

Okay but there can only be one Kurama jin per generation and they would have to be sure they can hold Kurama. And if we're basing their power on Kurama while not knowing the fighting ability of these jins would be fruitless. Karin, Kushina and Mito weren't really shown to be frontline fighters but having the chains is what really made them suitable for nine tails.

Exactly. Most of the Uzumaki Clan members have scary bodily powers that allow them to hold down chakra monsters, or some in cases, stop them with their own abilities up close.

And yet none of these Clan Members were actually trained in the Uzumaki abilities. Figuratively the Uchiha are powerful because the Clan member will inherit the Sharingan and show their Genius (every Uchiha Clan member that is considered powerful, has the Sharingan or unlocked it).

Meanwhile Uzumaki Members don't learn shit. But imagine if they did. You can't downplay this Clan, it's just weird.

 

[Dantee]

These are the only Uzumaki shown in the Manga. Considering that 99% of them bar Naruto's children have shown the talent in something body wise so far, there's an extremely high chance that the rest of the Clan's were monsters.

There were no widely known members until the clan met it's demise and people started to discover and abuse their power. That's why I don't rank the Uzuamki clan that high. I can only assume the clan was weak, Karin for instance has amazing abilities but fodder fighting skills.

 

[lndra]

There were no widely known members until the clan met it's demise and people started to discover and abuse their power. That's why I don't rank the Uzuamki clan that high. I can only assume the clan was weak, Karin for instance has amazing abilities but fodder fighting skills.

Yeah and Karin wasn't trained to fight but was trained to be a support healer, and yet was capable of stopping Zetsu's SS. So what's the point here? You can't dodge around it because it's already solidified.

You can't name any other Clan on that list that could stop a Bijuu with their own body, or through their own powers outside of the Uzumaki, Uchiha, Senju, and Otsutsuki. That alone shows their worth. Especially given the fact that none of the Clan Members so far showcased what truly made them so frightening that other Clan's had to band together to destroy them.

Basing on that alone, and considering the Senju/Uchiha were never destroyed like that early on. It really says a lot.

 

[Dantee]

Yeah and Karin wasn't trained to fight but was trained to be a support healer, and yet was capable of stopping Zetsu's SS. So what's the point here? You can't dodge around it because it's already solidified.

You can't name any other Clan on that list that could stop a Bijuu with their own body, or through their own powers outside of the Uzumaki, Uchiha, Senju, and Otsutsuki. That alone shows their worth. Especially given the fact that none of the Clan Members so far never showcased what truly made them so frightening that other Clan's had to band together to destroy them.

Basing on that alone, and considering the Senju/Uchiha were never destroyed like that early on. It really says a lot.

Karin has no fighting ability so if she wasn't one of the special Uzuamakis she would only be a pottinetial support ninja.

Maybe the adamanite fuinjutsu is why they were destroyed. They could have just wanted a chance to grab the nine tails. Also Uzuamakis werent the only ones capable of sealing a bijuu. You're just making them out to look more special than you need to because there are no other canon clans Kishi expanded on just filler.

You simply are overestimating their combined ability as a clan majority.

 

[lndra]

Maybe the adamanite fuinjutsu is why they were destroyed. They could have just wanted a chance to grab the nine tails. Also Uzuamakis werent the only ones capable of sealing a bijuu. You're just making them out to look more special than you need to because there are no other canon clans Kishi expanded on just filler.

You simply are overestimating their combined ability as a clan majority.

I don't know. The Uzumaki never had the Kyuubi, it was Hashirama who took all the Bijuu and handed them out to each Village, keeping the Fox for themselves and using Uzumaki to store in them, that including his wife. Okay? The Uzumaki so far are the only one's capable of sealing the most powerful Bijuu in their body bar Juubi, so my point still stands. I don't think so, considering everything I pointed out has just been ignored. We have literally been running in circles because you won't accept facts :lol

 

[Dantee]

Naruto, Nagato,Kushina,Mito and Karin would completely wreck 97% of the clans you listed. However my point is why accept those select few elites merits as a clan but deny Naruto?

I deny few individuals because that means Juubi Madara and Juubi Obito is a part of the Uchiha clan.

 

[Michael]

I deny few individuals because that means Juubi Madara and Juubi Obito is a part of the Uchiha clan.

Regardless of feats and abilities gained they are still uchiha.

 

[Dantee]

Regardless of feats and abilities gained they are still uchiha.

I see and the majority of people here would disagree but that would make Uchiha God tier.

 

[Dantee]

I don't know. The Uzumaki never had the Kyuubi, it was Hashirama who took all the Bijuu and handed them out to each Village, keeping the Fox for themselves and using Uzumaki to store in them, that including his wife. Okay? The Uzumaki so far are the only one's capable of sealing the most powerful Bijuu in their body bar Juubi, so my point still stands. I don't think so, considering everything I pointed out has just been ignored. We have literally been running in circles because you won't accept facts :lol

But if I'm not counting Kyuubi power I really have nothing to gauge the clans strength on besides their stamina. Of couurse stamina is important to a ninja but ninja skills and techniques is what makes them strong. Dangerous fuinjutsu is good but what offensive sealing techs do they have outside death repear?

 

[Michael]

I see and the majority of people here would disagree but that would make Uchiha God tier.

Well towards the end of the manga they were, the uchiha had two juubi jins and will go down in NV history as such. Madara is NV's satan, his name will strike fear for generations to come. The Legendary Madara Uchiha.

However Naruto is also legened, the legendary hero and seventh hokage Naruto Uzumaki.