[Discussion] The Truth Is Out There

[Ryu Kishi]

Ahoy and welcome to the bizarre

Well it turns out that our universe is not as empty as we think it is, for many years now i, as are many, have been infatuated with the alien conspiracy theory. However some people still think that the universe is as empty of life just as a mans wallet is after a visit with a proustite lol however This brings me to something which I know most have heard about, it is a book, a very secret book, a book once given to KGB officers back in the old soviet union days. This book was known as "The book of alien races" it had all the known races of aliens that were known to visit and be on earth, it also had information that was given by other alien races that had contact with governments all over the world. This book was discovers by Dante Santori and a friend Petrov, I won't go into detail on how they got it you can find that on YouTube or google. However petrov is now dead and the original book is missing, but one thing about is that it was still being updated until 2011, the original owner would get updates and relay it to them, it is also in the book that most governments leak images of some of these aliens in the form of movies and video games in order to get people familiar with them. The most famous one being independence day, now there is a video that gives you the content of this book, I think there are three, but I will post the 2nd one and third one cause they are the most interesting. Now most who have researched the alien conspiracy would understand why these descriptions are so fascinating, but I don't know if all of this is true or not but watch the video and let's discuss, also note the year 2017 seems to have some significants.


[video=youtube;YuwDXukkI9U]https://youtu.be/YuwDXukkI9U[/video]

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[Karna]

I typed a longass message but then hit quote and lost it -_-,
anyway, this does seem entertaining but not true, another thing is I couldn't find anything on dante guy, his only relevance seems to come from his book as a quick google search would revel, so that doesn't help his case.
Can you explain why these designs are fascinating to those who do research on the subject?

 

[Ryu Kishi]

I typed a longass message but then hit quote and lost it -_-,
anyway, this does seem entertaining but not true, another thing is I couldn't find anything on dante guy, his only relevance seems to come from his book as a quick google search would revel, so that doesn't help his case.
Can you explain why these designs are fascinating to those who do research on the subject?

Well the giant race not sure on there name for instance there have been fossils found also everyone know that governments have contact with aliens. Also they mention the race known as "2017" but they never give their real name which we all know as the Aryan race. They were 1st mentioned in ancient vedic texts they are the ones hitlar was so obbssed with.

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[video=youtube;uWI7yh64CiI]https://youtu.be/uWI7yh64CiI[/video]

 

[Trúth]

Funny how the evidence for these things is always lost.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

Funny how the evidence for these things is always lost.

The government knows how to cover its tracks

Here the guys interview where he talks about the book

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[Trúth]

The government knows how to cover its tracks

Here the guys interview where he talks about the book

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49 minutes? Thanks for the link but no thanks. :lol

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Another x file ? Lol

yeah ! we can't be alone in this big a universe and there's these kind of drawings in ancient civilization like Mayan and others but if they have reach here that's still a question ?

 

[Angelic.]

Build a wall!

 

[Shig]

Let's make some things clear.

No one is saying we're alone in the Universe, at least no sane person says "Oh yeah there is absolute no-effing-one in this unfathomably huge universe with us". No, that's not it. We're saying that there is no compelling evidence so far for us to actually make a solid statement on it.

Look, I know how the whole "secretive evil government" thing might sound unfair and all, but to be brutally honest, if I was in a position of power and I would know what is happening with extraterrestrial life, I wouldn't share it either.

Explore this situation and please, do correct me if I'm wrong: you, as many other regular civilians, want your government to have some sort of full-disclosure policy in regards to aliens. Sure! Now alien life has been discovered, maybe it's hostile, maybe it's peaceful. The government shares this with everyone. I want you to explain to me what kind of reaction the world would have? For a moment there, do you actually think everybody will be excited for a real life "Cowboys vs Aliens"? I know I wouldn't be. You are also OVERESTIMATING the intelligence of a regular civilian when it comes to taboo topics like these. And, ah yes, this is where the great issue really shows, assuming you would be totally okay with the reveal of aliens, nay, you would even embrace it. That's fine and all, but what about the millions/billions of people that would be scared of it? Can you imagine the scale of mass-hysteria it would cause?

I want full-disclosure too, but I cannot say I don't understand the "don't feed the idiots" policy that most governments run.

Also, that alien transmission you posted is absolute crap, it was just a hijack by some frilly-fuufuu cult that believed humanity will be saved from the Reptilians by aliens. Then they proceeded to kill themselves so they can be "beamed" up to the mothership. Do research on things before you post them as evidence.

To get back to the point, you said in your first post that there was some sort of book or whatever that was so secret that now you know about it. Think about it, really. Try to draw a line between rationality and pure conspiracy.

EDIT: The cult's name is Heaven's Gate. Explore their ins and outs at your own discretion.

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[Ryu Kishi]

Let's make some things clear.

No one is saying we're alone in the Universe, at least no sane person says "Oh yeah there is absolute no-effing-one in this unfathomably huge universe with us". No, that's not it. We're saying that there is no compelling evidence so far for us to actually make a solid statement on it.

Look, I know how the whole "secretive evil government" thing might sound unfair and all, but to be brutally honest, if I was in a position of power and I would know what is happening with extraterrestrial life, I wouldn't share it either.

Explore this situation and please, do correct me if I'm wrong: you, as many other regular civilians, want your government to have some sort of full-disclosure policy in regards to aliens. Sure! Now alien life has been discovered, maybe it's hostile, maybe it's peaceful. The government shares this with everyone. I want you to explain to me what kind of reaction the world would have? For a moment there, do you actually think everybody will be excited for a real life "Cowboys vs Aliens"? I know I wouldn't be. You are also OVERESTIMATING the intelligence of a regular civilian when it comes to taboo topics like these. And, ah yes, this is where the great issue really shows, assuming you would be totally okay with the reveal of aliens, nay, you would even embrace it. That's fine and all, but what about the millions/billions of people that would be scared of it? Can you imagine the scale of mass-hysteria it would cause?

I want full-disclosure too, but I cannot say I don't understand the "don't feed the idiots" policy that most governments run.

Also, that alien transmission you posted is absolute crap, it was just a hijack by some frilly-fuufuu cult that believed humanity will be saved from the Reptilians by aliens. Then they proceeded to kill themselves so they can be "beamed" up to the mothership. Do research on things before you post them as evidence.

To get back to the point, you said in your first post that there was some sort of book or whatever that was so secret that now you know about it. Think about it, really. Try to draw a line between rationality and pure conspiracy.

Well its not like everyone does not know already but the governments keep denying us the truth, and why I don't think they have our best intentions in mind. Theres story's of them making deals for technology in exchange they allow abductions to take place, and if that book is true we don't really know who is in charge . Also I think is better if people knew the truth rather then a hundred hostile ships showing up one day and we would not know what to do. Also about the technology that they could get from aliens like a cure for cancer or other deadly diseases, but no they would rather get weapons and other sort of stuff
instead. Also there are people that think nothing else exists in the universe because every time you bring up aliens then they say "no they don't exist" and everyone knows that something strange was going on In the past people were building pyramids All over the dam place like it was an easy thing to do, and almost every culture has story's of strange beings coming from the stars and giving them knowledge. People need to understand sometimes truth is stranger then fiction.

Edit:
And about a war with the reptilians its seems some believe its already happening and has been happening for some time.

[video=youtube;MS412Wlv6Yg]https://youtu.be/MS412Wlv6Yg[/video]

 

[Shig]

Well its not like everyone does not know already but the governments keep denying us the truth, and why I don't think they have our best intentions in mind. Theres story's of them making deals for technology in exchange they allow abductions to take place, and if that book is true we don't really know who is in charge . Also I think is better if people knew the truth rather then a hundred hostile ships showing up one day and we would not know what to do. Also about the technology that they could get from aliens like a cure for cancer or other deadly diseases, but no they would rather get weapons and other sort of stuff
instead. Also there are people that think nothing else exists in the universe because every time you bring up aliens then they say "no they don't exist" and everyone knows that something strange was going on In the past people were building pyramids All over the dam place like it was an easy thing to do, and almost every culture has story's of strange beings coming from the stars and giving them knowledge. People need to understand sometimes truth is stranger then fiction.

Edit:
And about a war with the reptilians its seems some believe its already happening and has been happening for some time.

[video=youtube;MS412Wlv6Yg]https://youtu.be/MS412Wlv6Yg[/video]

I'll preface this by saying that you're entitled to your own opinion.

I will honestly make a few points then I'm out:

a) You do not get to decide what is good or bad for the common population. You are not entitled to do that. Just because you want something does not mean you are going to get it.

b) Just because you have an opinion does not make it true or valid, meaning that you cannot assume everything you just wrote is fact.

c) You really need to tone it down because you honestly sound a bit lunatic.

d) Why do you keep bringing that book into discussion? It's about as hypothetical as Schrodinger's cat.

e) Stop assuming you found some sort of breakthrough revelation, it's honestly not. I can make up a conspiracy theory that will be posted on my personal website, then 10 years later a guy comes along taking my fiction seriously.

f) Building pyramids like it's easy? Lol, I'm sorry but you're just getting ignorant at this point. I admit that certain details are unclear, but that's mostly because those pyramids were built over FOUR THOUSAND years ago(started being built at around 2000 years before the assumed birth of Christ). I'm honestly tired of hearing the alien argument regarding the pyramids. It's like the easy way out of an argument. Do you even know why the alien argument is brought up when it comes to Egypt and/or Mesopotamia? I assure you it's not because of the "ease" of it all, you can't even imagine the manpower and the decades it took to build only one pyramid.

g) The second you bring Reptilians into this I'm out, that's entirely too 420weedson for me to even try to talk about. I know there are people who believe in this crap and I find it ludacrious, that's where I'll leave it.

 

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[Ryu Kishi]

I'll preface this by saying that you're entitled to your own opinion.

I will honestly make a few points then I'm out:

a) You do not get to decide what is good or bad for the common population. You are not entitled to do that. Just because you want something does not mean you are going to get it.

b) Just because you have an opinion does not make it true or valid, meaning that you cannot assume everything you just wrote is fact.

c) You really need to tone it down because you honestly sound a bit lunatic.

d) Why do you keep bringing that book into discussion? It's about as hypothetical as Schrodinger's cat.

e) Stop assuming you found some sort of breakthrough revelation, it's honestly not. I can make up a conspiracy theory that will be posted on my personal website, then 10 years later a guy comes along taking my fiction seriously.

f) Building pyramids like it's easy? Lol, I'm sorry but you're just getting ignorant at this point. I admit that certain details are unclear, but that's mostly because those pyramids were built over FOUR THOUSAND years ago(started being built at around 2000 years before the assumed birth of Christ). I'm honestly tired of hearing the alien argument regarding the pyramids. It's like the easy way out of an argument. Do you even know why the alien argument is brought up when it comes to Egypt and/or Mesopotamia? I assure you it's not because of the "ease" of it all, you can't even imagine the manpower and the decades it took to build only one pyramid.

g) The second you bring Reptilians into this I'm out, that's entirely too 420weedson for me to even try to talk about. I know there are people who believe in this crap and I find it ludacrious, that's where I'll leave it.

1) i never said I found some breakthrough revolution in regards to the book I clearly stated I don't know if any of it is true yet you refuse to see that.

2) my opinion is not mine alone there are 100 if not thousands of people who share my opinion.

3) I'm not deciding what's good or what's bad for people I'm just saying people have the right to know.

4) ignorant about the pyramids please I have studied them all my life don't say 4thousand years like it's a fact there many theories backed with evidence that say they are older. Also do you think pyramids were the in style of the time that cultures that had no contact with each other were building the same kind of thing in places like mexico and south america. The alien factor keeps coming up because the ancient cultures them selves say that people "the gods" came down and gave them this knowledge, also not to mention the countless cities and artifacts that have been found that challenge all classical logic. So don't tell me I'm ignorant when you self don't know shit and don't do any research for yourself.

3) clearly if you read my post about the reptilians then you would have saw I wrote "some believe" I never said I believe and I only posted it because it collaborates with the book.

4) get off your high horse.

 

[Shig]

1) i never said I found some breakthrough revolution in regards to the book I clearly stated I don't know if any of it is true yet you refuse to see that.

2) my opinion is not mine alone there are 100 if not thousands of people who share my opinion.

3) I'm not deciding what's good or what's bad for people I'm just saying people have the right to know.

4) ignorant about the pyramids please I have studied them all my life don't say 4thousand years like it's a fact there many theories backed with evidence that say they are older. Also do you think pyramids were the in style of the time that cultures that had no contact with each other were building the same kind of thing in places like mexico and south america. The alien factor keeps coming up because the ancient cultures them selves say that people "the gods" came down and gave them this knowledge, also not to mention the countless cities and artifacts that have been found that challenge all classical logic. So don't tell me I'm ignorant when you self don't know shit and don't do any research for yourself.

3) clearly if you read my post about the reptilians then you would have saw I wrote "some believe" I never said I believe and I only posted it because it collaborates with the book.

4) get off your high horse.

As I said, you're entitled to your own opinion, as am I.

I also mentioned that the pyramids were built "over" 4 thousand years ago, claiming to actually know everything about them is something I can't assume, I'm a Web Dev, not an archeologist. Similarity is strange indeed, but just because they're similar it doesn't mean aliens had to do it.

I'm not on a high horse, but your religious style of typing is triggering me and I am really trying not to get into an argument. You're talking as if it's a dogma, and I don't appreciate someone who doesn't argue with a cool head when it comes to all of this, especially since it's so taboo. So I do apologize for seeming dickish when writing back. This will be my final post, as I really don't want to further this conversation.

I've given my two cents, you take what you want from it.

*Edited for clarity.

 

[Ryu Kishi]

As I said, you're entitled to your own opinion, as am I.

I also mentioned that the pyramids were built "over" 4 thousand years ago, claiming to actually know everything about them is something I can't assume, I'm a Web Dev, not an archeologist. Similarity is strange indeed, but just because they're similar it doesn't mean aliens had to do it.

I'm not on a high horse, but your religious style of typing is triggering me and I am really trying not to get into an argument. You're talking as if it's a dogma, and I don't appreciate someone who doesn't argue with a cool head when it comes to all of this, especially since it's so taboo. So I do apologize for seeming dickish when writing back. This will be my final post, as I really don't want to further this conversation.

I've given my two cents, you take what you want from it.

*Edited for clarity.

BTW I'm not religious, also I to do not like people saying certain things when they haven't looked into the subject more deeply.

 

[Yubel]

We have no proof as of yet but yes, there are ****ing aliens in this universe in which we only inhabit 0.0x99999999% of it.

 

[Shig]

BTW I'm not religious, also I to do not like people saying certain things when they haven't looked into the subject more deeply.

I didn't say you're religious, I said you're typing in a religious fashion. o.o Do read my post before rushing to comment out something irrelevant. I also like the fact that you're accusing me of not researching something while the only solution you give to old as time mysteries is aliens.

This was an entirely hypothetical discussion, I hope you understand that.

I'll make myself clear, I do not disagree with the premise of aliens existing, I disagree with how close-minded you are to different perspectives than your own. You may be right in all of this, I'm not saying you are 100% wrong; I'm saying that just as you can be right, so can I. You hold no absolutes, and neither do I. We're two people sharing opinions on a forum about Naruto.

No one's on a high horse and no one's better than the other. You can't blame me for not researching something I find improbable or unimportant, nor can you accuse me of being uninformed when the subject at hand is a CONSPIRACY above EVERYTHING else. Get the picture?It's as if I'd accuse you of being ignorant because you do not respect the 2012 prophecy of doom.

I promise this is my last one, couldn't help myself.

EDIT: I'd also like to formally apologize if you took any offense to what I said, I really don't intend to offend you in any way, I'm just as easily triggered by things as you are.