Selfless people

[Punk Hazard]

Its sad that you dont see it, if there is no religion then suicide rates would have been much much more higher, Some people despite their lives being complete shit, they still hold on because they believe that they'll get something better in the after life,

Also get constructed? Dont make me laugh most people only care about themseleves until religion comes in the picture and really makes then achive selflessness

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Ya but most people don't do bad things cause they are afraid of hell, just imagine a world were people no longer believed in god that there was no one who will judge them for the wrong they did, everything that is right and wrong no longer exist humanity will cut loose and devour everything before them. You give humans too much credit in reality humanity is a foul existence, you cannot judge every human as being the same in terms of thought

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Detective Martin Hart: I mean, can you imagine if people didn't believe, what things they'd get up to?
Detective Rustin Cohle: Exact same thing they do now. Just out in the open.
Detective Martin Hart: Bullshit. It'd be a ****ing freak show of murder and debauchery and you know it.
Detective Rustin Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
This sums up my response to this.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Don't think anyone said religious people are not selfless
people have problem with religious extremists and guys who literally sells their brain over simple topics becoz their religion didn't allowed it [except if someone is Self proclaimed Superior western atheist]

Also anyone can be selfless irrelevant to the fact he is religious or not

Religion extermists are irrelevant because they are so few.

Half true

 

[BLAZE]

Religion extermists are irrelevant because they are so few.

Half true

what about willfully ignorant people.They are annoying and in majority
okay

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

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Detective Martin Hart: I mean, can you imagine if people didn't believe, what things they'd get up to?
Detective Rustin Cohle: Exact same thing they do now. Just out in the open.
Detective Martin Hart: Bullshit. It'd be a ****ing freak show of murder and debauchery and you know it.
Detective Rustin Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
This sums up my response to this.

Good to know . But thats the truth as humans are just born plain evil and need some form of guidence and reward to help them realize right from wrong

what about willfully ignorant people.They are annoying and in majority
okay

Willfully ignorant? What you mean?

 

[Ryu Kishi]

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Detective Martin Hart: I mean, can you imagine if people didn't believe, what things they'd get up to?
Detective Rustin Cohle: Exact same thing they do now. Just out in the open.
Detective Martin Hart: Bullshit. It'd be a ****ing freak show of murder and debauchery and you know it.
Detective Rustin Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
This sums up my response to this.

That is why I said humanity is a foul existence who do you think created religion in the 1st place

 

[BLAZE]

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Detective Martin Hart: I mean, can you imagine if people didn't believe, what things they'd get up to?
Detective Rustin Cohle: Exact same thing they do now. Just out in the open.
Detective Martin Hart: Bullshit. It'd be a ****ing freak show of murder and debauchery and you know it.
Detective Rustin Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
This sums up my response to this.

didn't u just prove his point as Rust himself stated humans should not exist

everything that is right and wrong no longer exist humanity will cut loose and devour everything before them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Also, to everyone saying "Imagine what people would do if they didn't have religion"

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But that’s nothing compared to the 909 people, 276 of them children, who became enamored with the handsome charismatic founder of the Peoples Temple. James Warren Jones started out Methodist, and seemed to have fine intentions, endeavoring to bring about civil right for blacks and integrate American society. Somewhere along the line, he went patently insane. He was an aggressive narcissist, just as entries 1, 4, 7, 8, 9, and 10. He never claimed to be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, and the only reason he founded the Peoples Temple was for the money he could make via his congregation.

He started out innocently enough, using radio to decry the KKK for burning crosses on his church grounds, but ten years later, in 1936, he started praising and defending both Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini for their politics, and spewing some of the most despicable virulence against Jews to which the world had borne witness up to that point.He blamed the Great Depression on “an international conspiracy of Jewish bankers,” then blamed Communism, the Russian 1917 Revolution, and Marxist atheism on “global Jewry, in its attempt to lead people astray from the perfection of Lord Jesus.”

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didn't u just prove his point as Rust himself stated humans should not exist

Nope. I quoted the part that I was referring to as I don't share all of his sentiments.

 

[Yubel]

Hate to burst your bubble but there is no such thing as selfless. Humans aren't capable of being selfless, everything we do for others has a selfish motive.

 

[BLAZE]

Willfully ignorant? What you mean?

u will find many here

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Nope. I quoted the part that I was referring to as I don't share all of his sentiments.

oh i see

 

[DominiqueX]

Yay, another delusional dude who thinks that "morals" are determined by religion. So much bullsh!t again.
I'm not religious and have still higher morals than most of the religious people.
Most of the "major-religions" despises you, if you are lesbian, gay, bi or transgender.. the islam even agrees on killing them. People who don't harm anyone and just want to live their lifes how they are. Religion claimes to be peaceful, claimes to teach benevolence, but only as long as you play after their rules. If you are different, they despise you. They also kill you when you commit apostasy and treat women badly. Christianity also is against contraceptive which gave safety and prevent from overpopulation.

I don't do these things. I'm kind towards anyone who is kind to me, I accept people for who they are as long as they don't harm anyone. I don't base my morals on words written by ancient humans thousands of years ago, but base them on common sense and humaneness. Leave me alone with your hypocritical religion-crap.

 

[Omar19992010]

Take away religion and the world will be one step closer towards true Peace.

Take away religion and WW1 and WW2 wouldn't have happened, there's be no Mongol Empire, Joseph Stalin and Hitler would be considered Saints.

Definitely.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Also, to everyone saying "Imagine what people would do if they didn't have religion"

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Nope. I quoted the part that I was referring to as I don't share all of his sentiments.

LOL so your compring to one religious group who is nothing but dumb to major and peaceful religions?

Lol and it had so few followers, also if i were to find a atheist group that is radical and like commiting sucide and murder to prove that there is isnt god or something, would you consider this as the image of all atheists? :lol so dumb

 

[DominiqueX]

Detective Martin Hart: I mean, can you imagine if people didn't believe, what things they'd get up to?
Detective Rustin Cohle: Exact same thing they do now. Just out in the open.
Detective Martin Hart: Bullshit. It'd be a ****ing freak show of murder and debauchery and you know it.
Detective Rustin Cohle: If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward, then brother that person is a piece of shit; and I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible.
This sums up my response to this.

So true, especially the bold and underlined part.

 

[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Yay, another delusional dude who thinks that "morals" are determined by religion. So much bullsh!t again.
I'm not religious and have still higher morals than most of the religious people.
Most of the "major-religions" despises you, if you are lesbian, gay, bi or transgender.. the islam even agrees on killing them. People who don't harm anyone and just want to live their lifes how they are. Religion claimes to be peaceful, claimes to teach benevolence, but only as long as you play after their rules. If you are different, they despise you. They also kill you when you commit apostasy and treat women badly. Christianity also is against contraceptive which gave safety and prevent from overpopulation.

I don't do these things. I'm kind towards anyone who is kind to me, I accept people for who they are as long as they don't harm anyone. I don't base my morals on words written by ancient humans thousands of years ago, but base them on common sense and humaneness. Leave me alone with your hypocritical religion-crap.

But you hate and generalize people on the action of few? Not so nice and full of morals now no?

 

[Punk Hazard]

LOL so your compring to one religious group who is nothing but dumb to major and peaceful religions?

Lol and it had so few followers, also if i were to find a atheist group that is radical and like commiting sucide and murder to prove that there is isnt god or something, would you consider this as the image of all atheists? :lol so dumb

I never posted that to say all religious people do that or are like that. Your claim was that without religion, people would do terrible things and have no morals. Those are people who had religion and did terrible, amoral things. So your claim that religion=moral is invalid.

Religious or atheist, everyone has the same capacity to do good or evil.

 

[BlacLord™]

I'm all for the morals principles religion sects like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism withheld, but I don't have to follow through to the fullest of actually believing there is a God.

Buddhism isn't a religion but a philosophy, because the Buddhas aren't Gods. They don't have supreme power over existence and creation, just the knowledge attained from Enlightenment to guide people.

 

[DominiqueX]

But you hate and generalize people on the action of few? Not so nice and full of morals now no?

Few? Haha, you are funny.
If these people were only a few, then the world would not have such a problem with religion today.

 

[Waindo]

Your right i agree with you on most points but religion does really have effects on peoples morals

You seem to be guided by an opinion that morality is something given to us by God.
Yet every religion has it's set of morals. Which again leads to that "divide and conquer" part. Quite peculiar huh?

Morality/laws of morals are mankind's creations; ergo they're on "all fours" along with the laws of science --> generalizations from experience. In fact, morality existed long before it was described and defined in theory.

We didn't first discover the laws of physiology in order to comprehend our need for eating or breathing, our need to digest food or to inhale the oxygen from our atmosphere. Nor did the rules; Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, etc., made killing and stealing wrong. Laws of morals make explicit in theory what is implicit in fact. It's the fact that creates the rule; not vice - versa.

 

[Exaar]

Ya but most people don't do bad things cause they are afraid of hell, just imagine a world were people no longer believed in god that there was no one who will judge them for the wrong they did, everything that is right and wrong no longer exist humanity will cut loose and devour everything before them. You give humans too much credit in reality humanity is a foul existence, you cannot judge every human as being the same in terms of thought

You know people do exist who do not and have never believed in god and i am yet to be aware of the massive amount of atheists "Cutting lose and devouring everything before them".

 

[BLAZE]

Buddhism isn't a religion but a philosophy, because the Buddhas aren't Gods. They don't have supreme power over existence and creation, just the knowledge attained from Enlightenment to guide people.

Buddha is considered ninth incarnation of Vishnu in many north indian regions

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