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Against KCM Naruto and Mei.
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Against KCM Naruto and Mei.
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When it comes to speed, Guren is on early Shippuden Kakashi's level. A crytal clone of her's stalemated Kakashi in CQC. She also easily dodged a raikiri stab from him. Even after getting most of her chakra sucked by Shino's bugs, which allowed a dozen Naruto clones all wielding rasengan to surround her, she managed to dodge all the clones. Guren has also shown sensory capabilities.
1. 50 White Zetsu: Guren low diffs them.
2. Black Zetsu + Hidan: Guren can turn the ground beneath Hidan and Black Zetsu to crystal, nullifying mayfly as well as Hidan's ritual. From there, she can simply create a wall of crystal surrounding them, thereby capturing them. Low-mid diff win. If these two try to jump out of the way as she's caging them, she'll use her superior speed to intercept them in midair, where they can't dodge and once she touches them, she crystallizes them. Low-mid diff win for her.
3. Konan: Guren had no trouble crystallizing a swarm of bugs. She'll have no difficulty crystallizing pieces of paper coming to swarm her as well. Guren's crystal wall withstood a barrage of rasengan so she should be able to defend against paper tag explosions and other paper attacks. Konan can drag the fight on with diversions but she has no way of beating Guren. Guren mid difficulty.
4. Sasori: Immobile fighters are easy to crystallize because Guren has the power to crystallize moisture and the ground so in order to not get crystalized, Sasori will have to constantly move as the crystallization happens which goes against his style of fighting. Anyhow, I don't see him dodging or blocking Guren's crystal attacks. If he pulls out iron sand, that too Guren can crystallize. Overall Guren hard counters Sasori so I don't see how she doesn't low diff.
5. Deidara - Deidara one shots her with C3. I don't see Guren being able to hit Deidara at all. Deidara mid difficulty.
6. Kakuzu - Guren should be able to dodge Kakuzu's attacks like Kakashi did. She could also block them (except gian) as well. Even if her crystal shield gets destroyed, she'll be protected. Threads can't pierce through crystal which Guren can cover her entire body with. Kakuzu will eventually be forced to use doton domu to guard against crystal spikes as he can't consistently avoid them like Kakashi couldn't. Once he uses domu, he can't move allowing Guren to crystalize him. Guren wins low-mid difficulty.
7. Kisame: Kisame wins mid difficulty. The scale of Kisame's suiton surpasses Guren's ability to crystallize it. Furthermore, Kisame can absorb any chakra which is being used to make the crystals so he won't get hit by them or get crystallized. Kisame also has a massive stamina advantage.
8. Itachi: Itachi wins low difficulty if he's healthy. Mid difficulty if he's sick. While Guren could perhaps fight without eye contact, she'd also be hardpressed to avoid Itachi's fingers. Itachi is already faster than her so when you mix his bunshin feints, he'll be able to catch her off guard and plow through her with a susanoo sword. Susanoo takes hardly any time to manifest so this should work. Itachi is faster than Kakashi so if Kakashi could react to Guren's attacks, albiet barely, Itachi does it a lot easier. Guren can counter amaterasu by shedding off crystal from her body although this is irrelevant.
9. MS Obito: Well if Obito tries warping her away, like Konan, Guren can stop this from happening by growing crystal spikes on her body to impale Obito. Guren might actually be able to win this by growing crystal all over the battlefield, forcing Obito keep intangibility up.
10. Pain (CST/CT restricted): Pain low-mid difficulty. Deva could solo.
1. 50 White Zetsu: Guren low diffs them.
2. Black Zetsu + Hidan: Guren can turn the ground beneath Hidan and Black Zetsu to crystal, nullifying mayfly as well as Hidan's ritual. From there, she can simply create a wall of crystal surrounding them, thereby capturing them. Low-mid diff win. If these two try to jump out of the way as she's caging them, she'll use her superior speed to intercept them in midair, where they can't dodge and once she touches them, she crystallizes them. Low-mid diff win for her.
3. Konan: Guren had no trouble crystallizing a swarm of bugs. She'll have no difficulty crystallizing pieces of paper coming to swarm her as well. Guren's crystal wall withstood a barrage of rasengan so she should be able to defend against paper tag explosions and other paper attacks. Konan can drag the fight on with diversions but she has no way of beating Guren. Guren mid difficulty.
4. Sasori: Immobile fighters are easy to crystallize because Guren has the power to crystallize moisture and the ground so in order to not get crystalized, Sasori will have to constantly move as the crystallization happens which goes against his style of fighting. Anyhow, I don't see him dodging or blocking Guren's crystal attacks. If he pulls out iron sand, that too Guren can crystallize. Overall Guren hard counters Sasori so I don't see how she doesn't low diff.
5. Deidara - Deidara one shots her with C3. I don't see Guren being able to hit Deidara at all. Deidara mid difficulty.
6. Kakuzu - Guren should be able to dodge Kakuzu's attacks like Kakashi did. She could also block them (except gian) as well. Even if her crystal shield gets destroyed, she'll be protected. Threads can't pierce through crystal which Guren can cover her entire body with. Kakuzu will eventually be forced to use doton domu to guard against crystal spikes as he can't consistently avoid them like Kakashi couldn't. Once he uses domu, he can't move allowing Guren to crystalize him. Guren wins low-mid difficulty.
7. Kisame: Kisame wins mid difficulty. The scale of Kisame's suiton surpasses Guren's ability to crystallize it. Furthermore, Kisame can absorb any chakra which is being used to make the crystals so he won't get hit by them or get crystallized. Kisame also has a massive stamina advantage.
8. Itachi: Itachi wins low difficulty if he's healthy. Mid difficulty if he's sick. While Guren could perhaps fight without eye contact, she'd also be hardpressed to avoid Itachi's fingers. Itachi is already faster than her so when you mix his bunshin feints, he'll be able to catch her off guard and plow through her with a susanoo sword. Susanoo takes hardly any time to manifest so this should work. Itachi is faster than Kakashi so if Kakashi could react to Guren's attacks, albiet barely, Itachi does it a lot easier. Guren can counter amaterasu by shedding off crystal from her body although this is irrelevant.
9. MS Obito: Well if Obito tries warping her away, like Konan, Guren can stop this from happening by growing crystal spikes on her body to impale Obito. Guren might actually be able to win this by growing crystal all over the battlefield, forcing Obito keep intangibility up.
10. Pain (CST/CT restricted): Pain low-mid difficulty. Deva could solo.
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lol Dear god, you troll so good man.
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What part of that is a troll?
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The hyping of the crystals.....
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I was looking for something more specific.
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Damn, Ice, you're giving even Pain mid-difficulty?
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He clearly screwed it up on this thread
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The good part was Obito having the possibility to lose
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The fanfic was real during all his post
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She has decent ones. I don't remember any specific one bar sparring with Kakashi
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Still waiting for someone to explain why Ice's post was so bad. If she can really spar with Kakashi, sense chakra and grow crystal anywhere on her body why would her having the chance to win, no matter how small, be impossible?
And i didnt watch these fillers, so dont address me with that in mind.
And i didnt watch these fillers, so dont address me with that in mind.
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I remember clearly that Guren was disgustingly strong, so I agree with Icelerate.
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Watch the episodes, around episode 89 is where the filler start. Since you haven't watched it, i highly recommend it since it's the seconds best filller, second to Kakashi Anbu and Itachi/Shisui backround story filler.
Then you'll have your own opinion on the thread too. If you don't want to watch them then i'll explain why there are 3 people that believe Ice's post is not good.
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Welp. Just watched some clips, and from what I saw, she only sparred evenly with No Sharingan Kakashi, and that doesn't put her movement speed on his level, and it puts her reaction speed below his level. Base Naruto fights on par with Base Sasuke in Taijutsu yet Base Sasuke moves far faster than Base Naruto will ever hope to move. Kn0 Naruto gets his ass whooped by 3-Tomoe Sasuke but the former is far faster than the latter. She only evaded a Raikiri jab from a No Sharingan Kakashi too, so that's not that good of a feat. Especially since Raikiri's speed comes from running+thrust.
And her crystal didn't withstand Rasengan because it was strong enough to do so, it withstood Rasengan because it heals itself right after getting hit, and Rasengan was only powerful enough to blow a hole in it and leave Guren unharmed. So...
The only good speed feat here is evading Naruto's Rasengan barrage despite being surrounded, which is a pretty good feat since Naruto isn't exactly slow, but he's not a speedster either, at least not at that point.
Agreed. The others that were agreed on too.
If she does what he did against Kakashi then I agree that there's no way Sasori dodges it. Iron Sand is useless due to her crystallization abilities so I agree that Sasori gets his ass whooped here.
Nothing puts her movement speed on par with Kakashi's, but if he has enough distance I don't see why she wouldn't evade Atsugai or Gian. Agreed that threads do nothing to crystal, agreed that he can't consistently avoid her attacks, agreed that he gets crystallized if he uses Domu to stand still. However, why wouldn't he just overpower her crystal attacks with Atsugai? It'd obliterate her crystal since it's not powerful enough to take Rasengan. And if she ever gets in a position where the Raiton Mask gets her with a blindside attack, preferably after dodging something like Atsugai or Zukkoku she'd die since her crystal wouldn't guard against something equal to Raikiri when Rasengan blew a hole in it.
And based on what can she block Atsugai? Atsugai>Rasengan in raw power, and Rasengan blew a hole in her crystal.
Then there's the fact that Guren can't even crystallize chakra. Kisame low diffs her.
Itachi low diffs regardless of his illness. :lol Why would his illness boost the difficulty when his illness is a non factor if he doesn't spam MS too much, which isn't even needed to beat her but it won't be a low diff without it. With MS it's a low diff.
Obito rapes low diff. Let's be serious here. He might not even need MS to beat her.
-When has Guren shown to create crystal from her body? Cause I thought her ability let her form crystal from moisture in the air? Which wouldn't be from her body so there's no way she counters a warp before it is done with. Not to mention there is nothing that shows her creation process is that fast. In fact the anime shows that it's too slow.
-Not sure how Guren is going to force Obito to keep intangibility up when he barely needs to use it to defeat her? He's on par with Kakashi in speed and shit and Kakashi was evading her attacks like a pro until that one moment, but Obito can just either warp away or slip through the crystal in that one moment and then assault Guren directly.
Shuriken projected by Kamui should might be able to rip through her crystal shield since it can rip through B's tentacle. Juubi Sized Katon should definitely blow through her crystal and kill her. If Kakashi can evade her attacks without using his Sharingan then Obito using his Sharingan does it even easier.
And her crystal didn't withstand Rasengan because it was strong enough to do so, it withstood Rasengan because it heals itself right after getting hit, and Rasengan was only powerful enough to blow a hole in it and leave Guren unharmed. So...
The only good speed feat here is evading Naruto's Rasengan barrage despite being surrounded, which is a pretty good feat since Naruto isn't exactly slow, but he's not a speedster either, at least not at that point.
Agreed. The others that were agreed on too.
If she does what he did against Kakashi then I agree that there's no way Sasori dodges it. Iron Sand is useless due to her crystallization abilities so I agree that Sasori gets his ass whooped here.
Agreed 100%.
Nothing puts her movement speed on par with Kakashi's, but if he has enough distance I don't see why she wouldn't evade Atsugai or Gian. Agreed that threads do nothing to crystal, agreed that he can't consistently avoid her attacks, agreed that he gets crystallized if he uses Domu to stand still. However, why wouldn't he just overpower her crystal attacks with Atsugai? It'd obliterate her crystal since it's not powerful enough to take Rasengan. And if she ever gets in a position where the Raiton Mask gets her with a blindside attack, preferably after dodging something like Atsugai or Zukkoku she'd die since her crystal wouldn't guard against something equal to Raikiri when Rasengan blew a hole in it.
And based on what can she block Atsugai? Atsugai>Rasengan in raw power, and Rasengan blew a hole in her crystal.
Then there's the fact that Guren can't even crystallize chakra. Kisame low diffs her.
Itachi low diffs regardless of his illness. :lol Why would his illness boost the difficulty when his illness is a non factor if he doesn't spam MS too much, which isn't even needed to beat her but it won't be a low diff without it. With MS it's a low diff.
Obito rapes low diff. Let's be serious here. He might not even need MS to beat her.
-When has Guren shown to create crystal from her body? Cause I thought her ability let her form crystal from moisture in the air? Which wouldn't be from her body so there's no way she counters a warp before it is done with. Not to mention there is nothing that shows her creation process is that fast. In fact the anime shows that it's too slow.
-Not sure how Guren is going to force Obito to keep intangibility up when he barely needs to use it to defeat her? He's on par with Kakashi in speed and shit and Kakashi was evading her attacks like a pro until that one moment, but Obito can just either warp away or slip through the crystal in that one moment and then assault Guren directly.
Shuriken projected by Kamui should might be able to rip through her crystal shield since it can rip through B's tentacle. Juubi Sized Katon should definitely blow through her crystal and kill her. If Kakashi can evade her attacks without using his Sharingan then Obito using his Sharingan does it even easier.