How the Hyuuga actually stack up against Uchiha?

[Prince Badman]

You have the calculations of the Hyuuga clan all wrong. The Hyuuga is broken up into only 2 branches to measure their potential strength. The main family and branch members. The main family were composed of heirs and was a relatively small family.

At best only the strongest of the HYuuga can stand up to a MS Uchiha. For the sake of the argument lets say their is max 3-4 Hyuuga who can stand up to one or 2 MS Uchiha. All 4 who know Rotation/64 palm and considered the best in their clan.



Now lets establish Manga Factual wise Chunin Neji is the about the average Hyuuga clan elite.

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Now the Branch member family of the Hyuuga which is the majority of the clan is pretty much written off as above average fodder. Uchihas without sharigan wont go down without a fight because the majority learned to utilized ninjutsu, shuriken/kenjutsu and were part of Konohas police force.

At best they were only = to these type of Uchiha because Uchihas without sharigan weren't expanded and we've never seen Hyuugas outside the exceptional elite in action.


And Going by facts, we can now easily assume that 2t and 3t= HYuuga elite simply because chunin Sasuke 2t and 3t easily >= chunin Neji Hyuuga. And 1t Sarada average ninja > genin Hinata. Remember Neji also was a special case equivalent to Itachi.



The average are equal to the average Hyuuga. But the above average Uchihas are well above Hyuuga elite in the manga by overwhelming numbers.



So it goes something like this:


1 ems user is very rare, but destroys the clan so we'll him out.

1 MS user >= 4 Hyuuga main family elite

2 MS users = entire Hyuuga clan

4 MS users >>> Hyuuga clan

4 3 tomoe above average users = 4 Hyuuga elite

Out of the rest of the 96 members of the HYuuga lets say 20 are jounin.



3 tomoe = Hyuuga elite

That means 31 average 3t users should be enough to wipe out the rest of the 96 HYuuga members.

Lets say 20 were jounin 35 chunin and 41 genin.



The average members who contain only 1t or 2t tomoe sharigan Uchiha should be above your average Hyuuga, but cant take on multiple opponents. So those 20 jounin and a good percent of chunin are canceled out by 1-2t Sharigan Uchiha.

The average/fodder Uchiha member without sharigan should be about equal to a average/fodder Byakugan user using shuriken/ fireball jutsus.

See what we don't know here is the exact division of the families... I mean in The Last they showed a full army battle of the main and branch families.......And this is also a fact that Uchihas have been too hyped by Kishi....They are awesome but still only exceptional ones are that hardcore.....Fire style is a basic but Shuriken justsu was Itachi's speciality not everyones.....As far as Hyuga branch and main families are concerned they fight in unision unlike Uchiha solo powerhouses....And remember if you are facing an Uchiha as a team your chances improve.....So i still go for the fact that a battle of clans will be on equal footing(not including the EMS user or Tenseigan user).... One more thing is that we have seen only 4 MS users in the 3 generations of Uchiha at least those who were famous, Itachi, Madara, Sasuke and Shisui. So don't be too hasty while counting the MS users

 

[Decimo Blaze]

to be honest the uchiha are pretty weak the only special ones are the ones with indra chakra or ms the rest are pretty much fodder and saying they are the strongest clan true maybe a long time ago since they were in war times train to kill at a young age more had to get strong and the current uchiha seem pretty fodder compare to the past but still if it were uchiha vs hyuuga i say uchiha takes this

 

[ichigo uchiha 1992]

this thread reminds me of the **** to dunesch handjob ratio on Sillicon Valley lol

 

[Dantee]

See what we don't know here is the exact division of the families... I mean in The Last they showed a full army battle of the main and branch families.......And this is also a fact that Uchihas have been too hyped by Kishi....They are awesome but still only exceptional ones are that hardcore.....Fire style is a basic but Shuriken justsu was Itachi's speciality not everyones.....As far as Hyuga branch and main families are concerned they fight in unision unlike Uchiha solo powerhouses....And remember if you are facing an Uchiha as a team your chances improve.....So i still go for the fact that a battle of clans will be on equal footing(not including the EMS user or Tenseigan user).... One more thing is that we have seen only 4 MS users in the 3 generations of Uchiha at least those who were famous, Itachi, Madara, Sasuke and Shisui. So don't be too hasty while counting the MS users

Every uchiha has been showed with some kind of kenjutsu arsenal especially at times of war. It was shown in the manga.
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The kid in the above scan is cooked ^.

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Fire jutsus are not basic to defend against in large numbers.

Do you know anything about formations? You don't put your weakest uchihas in a team by themselves. It would be wise to have members who show exceptional skill with the sharigan to accompany them. The general rule of fighting a Uchiha was 2v1. No where does it even begin to show Hyuuga have more numbers in their ranks. Don't try to downgrade the Uchiha in this discussion.

How a Hyuuga can be defeated with shuriken/ ninjutsus

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Rigged shuriken attacking them while unbalanced and attacking the blindside.

to be honest the uchiha are pretty weak the only special ones are the ones with indra chakra or ms the rest are pretty much fodder and saying they are the strongest clan true maybe a long time ago since they were in war times train to kill at a young age more had to get strong and the current uchiha seem pretty fodder compare to the past but still if it were uchiha vs hyuuga i say uchiha takes this

Anyone with decent skills who unlocks 1t or 2t pretty much goes on to become an elite ninja when compared to other clans. By other clan standards they considered them to be pretty powerful so their skills shouldn't be underestimated.

That all lie neji was not the elite of the clan but he was strong for his age plus the branch family thing was something that newly set up remember Lee said the main house start setting up new rule which means that wasn't how it always was into recent events

Everything you said here is wrong.

Neji was the best Hyuga in the series imo yes but like I keep saying we can't base a clans abilities of the actions of a few clan members. While Toneri is from the moon he is a descendant of Hamura just like the Hyuga, if I had a cousin give birth to a child in England that child is still apart of my clan even though they are British and I'm American. Kakashi is a genius that almost died in the war if it wasn't for Obito, and after that, he is shown heavily relying on the borrow sharingan when fighting elite shinobi. If they are considered in the same league wouldn't mean that there are other Hyuga on par with other Uchiha considering the byakugan to sharingan ratio. Also, Sasuke and Itachi far surpass Neji when because they have MS. No one is that war would have accomplished anything if it wasn't for Naruto as all shinobi including Bee were fooled by Zetsu.





The Zetsu's were said to be impersonating shinobi down to the chakra all through the war arc which is why Naruto and his clones were so crucial. Neji reacted to an arrow being shot from long range at his blind spot in the back or his head at high velocities and still manage to divert it's trajectory once it entered short-range.

Genjutsu-Uchiha
Perception(in terms of tracking high speed)-Equal up to 3 tomoe anything after that Uchiha win
Perception(in terms or chakra)-Hyuga
Perception(in terms of mimicking movements/copying techniques)-Uchiha
Taijutsu-Hyuga



At least, we agree on something xD



In that battle, Sarada activated sharingan dodged the blade and then smashed the just like Sakura. Therefore that feat is attributed to both newly activated sharingan hence the dodge due to enhanced perception and the actual damage done to the Shin is due to the training she got from Sakura.



I'm not saying that they are better than Uchiha I'm saying that on average they could match the Uchiha when you take the objectivity we all have due to watching certain characters out. This brings me back to what we agreed on, on average it would come down to each shinobi's training and reaction time.



This is why we leave individual feats out of this discussion because when you see read the manga and watch the anime all you see is Sasuke, Itachi, Kakashi, Obito, and Madara for the Uchiha side then all you see combat wise for the Hyuga side is Neji and Hinata. When you watch/read you begin to base the abilities of each clan off these people when in truth they are select few in the midst of many.

All in all, though I believe the pecking order goes Senju, Uchiha, Hyuga. Also, it's hard for me to tell emotions on here but overall I'm having fun with this discussion, It's actually forcing me to research and analysis each clans abilities.

I honestly don't think there were many Hyuuga that can rival the elite of the Uchiha. They were considered the strongest for a reason. I do agree with you on some points like the zetsu changing their chakra signature and such however that zetsu wasn't impersonating anyone when he attacked Neji. Neji can see in all directions but it doesn't influence his body in anyway to dodge an incoming attack. Also a Byakugan would have to be well trained to reach Nejis level.

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Proof even the greatest Byakugan doesn't have 3 tomoe precog.

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You see above the only thing the Byakugan will excel over a Uchiha is analyzing the opponents chakra system and seeing what they are going to do next.


However if there body isn't use to training they can't react. The byakugan has no high level tracking speed whatsoever.

 

[minamoto]

BS thread!

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

BS thread!

Do you think Madara was Hyuuga?

 

[Ambivalence]

Perception(in terms of tracking high speed)-Equal up to 3 tomoe anything after that Uchiha win

Lmao, whatever you say, fella.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Every uchiha has been showed with some kind of kenjutsu arsenal especially at times of war. It was shown in the manga.
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The kid in the above scan is cooked ^.

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Fire jutsus are not basic to defend against in large numbers.

Do you know anything about formations? You don't put your weakest uchihas in a team by themselves. It would be wise to have members who show exceptional skill with the sharigan to accompany them. The general rule of fighting a Uchiha was 2v1. No where does it even begin to show Hyuuga have more numbers in their ranks. Don't try to downgrade the Uchiha in this discussion.

How a Hyuuga can be defeated with shuriken/ ninjutsus

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Rigged shuriken attacking them while unbalanced and attacking the blindside.






Anyone with decent skills who unlocks 1t or 2t pretty much goes on to become an elite ninja when compared to other clans. By other clan standards they considered them to be pretty powerful so their skills shouldn't be underestimated.



Everything you said here is wrong.




I honestly don't think there were many Hyuuga that can rival the elite of the Uchiha. They were considered the strongest for a reason. I do agree with you on some points like the zetsu changing their chakra signature and such however that zetsu wasn't impersonating anyone when he attacked Neji. Neji can see in all directions but it doesn't influence his body in anyway to dodge an incoming attack. Also a Byakugan would have to be well trained to reach Nejis level.

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Proof even the greatest Byakugan doesn't have 3 tomoe precog.

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You see above the only thing the Byakugan will excel over a Uchiha is analyzing the opponents chakra system and seeing what they are going to do next.


However if there body isn't use to training they can't react. The byakugan has no high level tracking speed whatsoever.

I have a question are you trolling or do you want undeniable facts because I can give you fact

 

[minamoto]

Do you think Madara was Hyuuga?

GO BACK TO YOUR IGNORE LIST NOW!!!!!!!!....not to mention that me didn't read!! stay fodder for eternity (unless you apologize to me of course i'll unignorelist you)

 

[Uchiha boii]

The fact that this is still going on just proves the discrimination the uchiha clan faces are you kidding? The fact is no one has seen the average uchiha or the average hyuga only the outstanding ones so we cant try to judge off of things we dont know and from what we do no its a shit stomp hiashi or neji is the strongest hyuga thats a fact neither is above high joninin level shisui itachi ems sasuke ems madara obito all solo the clan with ease so how can this be a debate ? How sway ?

 

[Magnolius]

All a Hyuga needs is one touch....just one and it's all over. Naruto in VOTE 1 got a few touches on a 3T Uchiha, so it shouldn't be too difficult for a Hyuga.

 

[Dantee]

I have a question are you trolling or do you want undeniable facts because I can give you fact

I'm still waiting for you to post something that has some factual evidence behind it.

The fact that this is still going on just proves the discrimination the uchiha clan faces are you kidding? The fact is no one has seen the average uchiha or the average hyuga only the outstanding ones so we cant try to judge off of things we dont know and from what we do no its a shit stomp hiashi or neji is the strongest hyuga thats a fact neither is above high joninin level shisui itachi ems sasuke ems madara obito all solo the clan with ease so how can this be a debate ? How sway ?

I agree. I love how when a Hyuuga does something it is because they are absolutely amazing, but when Uchiha feats/hype are brought up they blame it on plot relevancy.

 

[NarutoX28]

I still don't know how this is debatable.

1. Uchiha Clan is referred to the most outstanding clan from the very beginning.
2. Uchiha Clan stated to be the strongest clan only rivaling the Senju Clan.
3. Has the highest level of Yin Release aside from Rikudou Characters.
4. Stated to have unparalleled chakra.
5. We have Lee pissing himself over how incredible the Sharingan is yet no such hype from Lee is given to the Byakugan.
6. Neji's Byakugan was hard-countered and analyzed by Kidoumaru whereas there's no way you can bypass the Sharingan's precognitive ability without a very high level of speed or a feint and even feints are useless unless performed by the most skilled ninja.
7. Chiyo, one of the most experienced ninja in the manga hypes up the Sharingan's abilities as so great that multiple individuals is required to combat it. Kakashi's first battle with Itachi also confirms that.
8. Kakashi is far more famous than any Hyuuga is and that's due to him possessing Obito's Sharingan. It enabled him to refine a jutsu (Raikiri) that's well-known throughout the entire Shinobi World with Raikage even acknowledging his technique.
9. Orochimaru hypes up the Sharingan's capabilities as so great that even his jutsu were useless in front of the 3T Sharingan and he even admitted inferiority because of that.
10. Adding another to the list, Orochimaru sought for the Sharingan because he believed it was the ultimate Kekkai Genkai unlike the Byakugan where he clearly showed no interest in it. Even the Akatsuki feared about what was happening when Orochimaru had seized Sasuke from Konoha.

I still fail to see how the Hyuuga Clan even rivals the Uchiha Clan. The only people that do are ones that refuse to accept the fact that the Uchihas are indeed great. Plot no jutsu is irrelevant because there are multiple key elements in the manga that indicates that the Uchiha were stronger before all this plot no jutsu shit happened.

 

[To Whatever]

I still don't know how this is debatable.

1. Uchiha Clan is referred to the most outstanding clan from the very beginning.
2. Uchiha Clan stated to be the strongest clan only rivaling the Senju Clan.
3. Has the highest level of Yin Release aside from Rikudou Characters.
4. Stated to have unparalleled chakra.
5. We have Lee pissing himself over how incredible the Sharingan is yet no such hype from Lee is given to the Byakugan.
6. Neji's Byakugan was hard-countered and analyzed by Kidoumaru whereas there's no way you can bypass the Sharingan's precognitive ability without a very high level of speed or a feint and even feints are useless unless performed by the most skilled ninja.
7. Chiyo, one of the most experienced ninja in the manga hypes up the Sharingan's abilities as so great that multiple individuals is required to combat it. Kakashi's first battle with Itachi also confirms that.
8. Kakashi is far more famous than any Hyuuga is and that's due to him possessing Obito's Sharingan. It enabled him to refine a jutsu (Raikiri) that's well-known throughout the entire Shinobi World with Raikage even acknowledging his technique.

I still fail to see how the Hyuuga Clan even rivals the Uchiha Clan. The only people that do are ones that refuse to accept the fact that the Uchihas are indeed great. Plot no jutsu is irrelevant because there are multiple key elements in the manga that indicates that the Uchiha were stronger before all this plot no jutsu shit happened.

@6. Neji still got in that ass tho. My fav fight

 

[NarutoX28]

@6. Neji still go in that ass tho. My fav fight

No he doesn't. 5th Gates was literally a technique implied and shown by feats, being capable of destroying Neji.

 

[To Whatever]

No he doesn't. 5th Gates was literally a technique implied and shown by feats, being capable of destroying Neji.

Dude, Neji got all in Kidomaru's ass after getting hard countered..

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He ran fast as **** and nailed him with finesse

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[NarutoX28]

Dude, Neji got all in Kidomaru's ass after getting hard countered..

I admit, that was a situation where the Byakugan was more effective though perhaps Neji would've been able to close in on Kidoumaru and evade his arrows if he had the Sharingan.

 

[To Whatever]

I admit, that was a situation where the Byakugan was more effective though perhaps Neji would've been able to close in on Kidoumaru and evade his arrows if he had the Sharingan.

If he had sharingan, how was he going to counter the webs or free Naruto? Kidomaru noted that only kimimmaro pushed him to great lengths iirc so that means he isnt a slouch in CQC.

 

[NarutoX28]

If he had sharingan, how was he going to counter the webs or free Naruto? Kidomaru noted that only kimimmaro pushed him to great lengths iirc so that means he isnt a slouch in CQC.

Neji was well-suited for Kidoumaru's abilities.

However, an Uchiha doesn't need to slice through the webs. All is needed is eye-contact and they get mind-raped with no way out. I'd argue that with the Sharingan's copy abilities and unparalleled chakra, they should certainly have a jutsu that can easily slice through the webs.

 

[To Whatever]

Neji was well-suited for Kidoumaru's abilities.

However, an Uchiha doesn't need to slice through the webs. All is needed is eye-contact and they get mind-raped with no way out. I'd argue that with the Sharingan's copy abilities and unparalleled chakra, they should certainly have a jutsu that can easily slice through the webs.

an uchiha? Who are you talking about specifically? I don't know a single genin uchiha capable of genjutsu in that situation.

not to mention Kidomaru has knowledge on dojutsu so staring at an uchiha would be stupid.