Faith is one of the world's great evils

[Bored38]

What would you define as blind faith?

Blind faith as in believing in something that can't be known. No religion will ever be able to prove that God said this or God said that and its nothing more than blind faith to say he ever did. Gods laws are written in creation and doesn't need man to write them down in a book. That would be stupid.

 

[Son of God]

So it means the OP, who is an atheist, has no right to go calling "faith" evil. Because he has no standard to uphold to begin with.

Yes, he has a right, as anyone has a right to their opinion. You yourself said his morals are subjective.

Not only that, but if he can just shift the word, "evil" to adding suffering, he has no issue. The fact hat you're pulling this petty argument up means you had nothing else to address

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yes, he has a right, as anyone has a right to their opinion. You yourself said his morals are subjective.

Yeah, yet he keeps acting like what he's saying, is absolute fact.

 

[Son of God]

Yeah, yet he keeps acting like what he's saying, is absolute fact.

Again, this part of the argument isn't much of an issue.

He clearly means "evil", as a net negative (or at least adding suffering).

Now do you reject the notion that faith-based actions and thoughts (religious faith...) have added suffering to the world?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Again, this part of the argument isn't much of an issue.

He clearly means "evil", as a net negative (or at least adding suffering).

Now do you reject the notion that faith-based actions and thoughts (religious faith...) have added suffering to the world?

Of course they have, but claiming it's such a great evil is exaggeration.

 

[Bored38]

Yes, actually. If your morality is subjective and has no standard, then what you believe to be right and wrong is just your opinion and not a fact (like the varying ages of when one is allowed to drink and marry, what drugs are allowed to be used, the use of capital punishment in certain countries, are all subjective)

Even that definition of morality you give is just an opinion and not objectiv.

I don't get how anyone can say morality is subjective. The Natural Law abides in all of us but ultimately it is our choice to follow it or not but its simple. I don't want to be punched in the face, therefore I should'nt punch others in the face.... You don't do to others what you don't want done to you. Just observe that Law and BAM!!!! Peace on Earth

 

[Son of God]

Of course they have, but claiming it's such a great evil is exaggeration.

The irony here being you dismiss his opinion of the scale of evil, by comparing it to your own opinion on what is most evil.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The irony here being you dismiss his opinion of the scale of evil, by comparing it to your own opinion on what is most evil.

Mine isn't an opinion.

I don't get how anyone can say morality is subjective. The Natural Law abides in all of us but ultimately it is our choice to follow it or not but its simple. I don't want to be punched in the face, therefore I should'nt punch others in the face.... You don't do to others what you don't want done to you. Just observe that Law and BAM!!!! Peace on Earth

Are you sure this is actually what you meant to say?

 

[Son of God]

Mine isn't an opinion.

Convo over.

 

[ComplexCity]

Again, this part of the argument isn't much of an issue.

He clearly means "evil", as a net negative (or at least adding suffering).

Now do you reject the notion that faith-based actions and thoughts (religious faith...) have added suffering to the world?

As another member had said prior "science allowed guns to be created"

So I guess guns are evil too?

Blind faith as in believing in something that can't be known. No religion will ever be able to prove that God said this or God said that and its nothing more than blind faith to say he ever did. Gods laws are written in creation and doesn't need man to write them down in a book. That would be stupid.

Kobak did a good job proving that people of religion are not the only people who do this. You should go back and read their debate

 

[Made in Heaven]

Blind faith as in believing in something that can't be known. No religion will ever be able to prove that God said this or God said that and its nothing more than blind faith to say he ever did. Gods laws are written in creation and doesn't need man to write them down in a book. That would be stupid.

So you believe in God but not revelation from God?

 

[Metuamaru26]

everyone is different, people believe that religion is a waste of time and others believe that it isn't, everyone has different opinions, i can't tell you anything that will change your mind about that but i can tell you that there are opposites everywhere, so whenever you publicly talk about faith being evil then there are going to be people that disagree, i don't know whether or not you were going for that, or if you just wanted to share your opinion about faith.....but because of this....i have a question for you....

how's your day today?

 

[Son of God]

As another member had said prior "science allowed guns to be created"

So I guess guns are evil too?

Possibly? Where are you going?

 

[ComplexCity]

Possibly? Where are you going?

Just borrowing your logic

 

[Son of God]

Just borrowing your logic

That's fine.

 

[ComplexCity]

That's fine.

That makes this thread a fallacy

 

[Son of God]

That makes this thread a fallacy

I'm glad you feel that way

 

[Bored38]

As another member had said prior "science allowed guns to be created"

So I guess guns are evil too?





Kobak did a good job proving that people of religion are not the only people who do this. You should go back and read their debate

I wasn't limiting blind faith to religion. I just used religion in my example. I already said faith is part of our daily thought processes so surely its not limited to religion and dont believe I implied that it was.

 

[Bored38]

Mine isn't an opinion.



Are you sure this is actually what you meant to say?

Yes

 

[Bored38]

So you believe in God but not revelation from God?

Theres no way to prove that God spoke to a man or that what a man has written were the words given to him from God. Thats why we have diff books from diff religions claiming their writings were inspired by God while they all are all diff.
Everything in the world around me points to intelligent design, ie God, but im not so ignorant as to think that It was God who gave diff religous practices,laws,traditions etc that divide the world rather than uniting it. No it was man that did that.

Edit: an example, The Bible staes that the Jews were blessed and the Gentiles were without salvation while in the Quran, Muslims are the ppl of God and everyone else are infadels. Thats a perfect recipe for religous war.