How far behind kaguya was Madara?

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The difference between Madara and Kaguya is that Kaguya had more chakra than Madara.

Madara already replicated two of Kaguya's Kekkei Mora abilities backed by Hagoromo.
 

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Kaguya is stronger. She isn't stupid as some people think to be honest. Madara is still a genius and is extremely talented and blessed with various endgame abilities.

Madara would put up a good fight but it would be futile in the face of ash bones, chakra fist, and dimension swapping as well as super fast reflexes.
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Hypothetically, with IT chakra and PS he's only a level below her. Without it he's two levels below her.
 

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Madara has the Chakra of the Juubi and his own while Kaguya is the Juubi and has the Chakra of Billions of people.
 

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Power wise=Kaguya's level is way higher than Madara if we speak about power only and not battle prowess

And if we give Madara all potential Kaguya had(same level of chakra, all Rinn Sharingan tech etc), he easily surpass Kaguya
 
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Power wise=Kaguya's level is way higher than Madara if we speak about power only and not battle prowess

And if we give Madara all potential Kaguya had(same level of chakra, all Rinn Sharingan tech etc), he easily surpass Kaguya

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Have no idea sasuke and naruto trolled kaguya awhile they struggled with Madara
 

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I think Madara was stronger than Kaguya because i am an ignorant fanboy who doesn't know better.
 

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Have no idea sasuke and naruto trolled kaguya awhile they struggled with Madara

If you're talking post Rikudou power up...it was the other way around.

OT-DBZ logic doesn't work for Naruto...scale sounds dumb.
 
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Her chakra levels were much higher than Madara's and she had amazing tech. But other than that Maddy wasn't too far back. We never saw his true powers but I think he could've handled her.
Yea we did'nt see what madara was fully capable of doing, mostlikely he can open a portal like sasuke did, and he can also use IT victims chakra, since he was the one who binded them, but her base chakra is waay more than madara's
 

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I don't think Kaguya is actually stronger in power, but her ability to use ashe bone, dimension jutsu's etc is the reason why she beats Madara

I think the exact opposite
 

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Madara was never in Kaguya’s league look how easy She vanish Him. Madara could not even complain about it.



Kishi said Madara was the strongest and unbeatable = fact. He had to use plot to rationalize his defeat, that being Black Zetsu. People forget one thing... it was KAGUYA who created Black Zetsu, one could say it is an extension of her and it even rested in her sleeves, so I'd consider them one and Black Zetsu guess what, pwned Madara. So Kaguya > Madara in terms of pure power. In terms of battle experience and skill, it's Madara, no one is better in that department, Madara was essentially a war-machine, he spent his youth on battlefield.

Kaguya is the very strongest, only Six Paths: Chibaku Tensei can get rid of her. It took both Hagoromo and Hamura to beat her and ONLY thanks to said technique. Hagoromo somehow later on got both parts of it. But would Hagoromo be able to fight and seal Kaguya? Answer: no. He was a priest and he needed help from Hamura when they both were young, I pretty much doubt grandpa Hagoromo if alive would be able to counter her, being old and all.
@bold madara already countered her weakness SPCT by substituting his doppelganger its just half of his power (1eyed jin madara)
 

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Kishi said Madara was the strongest and unbeatable = fact. He had to use plot to rationalize his defeat, that being Black Zetsu. People forget one thing... it was KAGUYA who created Black Zetsu, one could say it is an extension of her and it even rested in her sleeves, so I'd consider them one and Black Zetsu guess what, pwned Madara. So Kaguya > Madara in terms of pure power. In terms of battle experience and skill, it's Madara, no one is better in that department, Madara was essentially a war-machine, he spent his youth on battlefield.

Kaguya is the very strongest, only Six Paths: Chibaku Tensei can get rid of her. It took both Hagoromo and Hamura to beat her and ONLY thanks to said technique. Hagoromo somehow later on got both parts of it. But would Hagoromo be able to fight and seal Kaguya? Answer: no. He was a priest and he needed help from Hamura when they both were young, I pretty much doubt grandpa Hagoromo if alive would be able to counter her, being old and all.
@bold madara already countered her weakness SPCT by substituting his doppelganger its just half of his power (1eyed jin madara)
Stop your lie Kishi invented Kaguya too Made Her defeat Madara with eases or do you think it was the toot fairy who created Kaguya instead of Kishi?
 

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In terms of chakra, a lot.

In terms of skill, I'd say she was behind.
 

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Kishi said Madara was the strongest and unbeatable = fact. He had to use plot to rationalize his defeat, that being Black Zetsu. People forget one thing... it was KAGUYA who created Black Zetsu, one could say it is an extension of her and it even rested in her sleeves, so I'd consider them one and Black Zetsu guess what, pwned Madara. So Kaguya > Madara in terms of pure power. In terms of battle experience and skill, it's Madara, no one is better in that department, Madara was essentially a war-machine, he spent his youth on battlefield.

Kaguya is the very strongest, only Six Paths: Chibaku Tensei can get rid of her. It took both Hagoromo and Hamura to beat her and ONLY thanks to said technique. Hagoromo somehow later on got both parts of it. But would Hagoromo be able to fight and seal Kaguya? Answer: no. He was a priest and he needed help from Hamura when they both were young, I pretty much doubt grandpa Hagoromo if alive would be able to counter her, being old and all.
@bold madara already countered her weakness SPCT by substituting his doppelganger its just half of his power (1eyed jin madara)

You are so wrong,hago could have soloed kaguya,considering the people who wrecked a stronger version of her had his power and hago and hamura didn't use the six paths seals to defeat her,they defeated the juubi easily and sealed it inside hago after deciding what to do with it it,it was when hago splitted the chakra of the juubi that he sealed the remaining part(gedo) with the seals.
Regarding the first paragraph of your post
 

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Stop your lie Kishi invented Kaguya too Made Her defeat Madara with eases or do you think it was the toot fairy who created Kaguya instead of Kishi?

its not wha you call a defeat when he didnt know the betrayal though you may call it the power of author called deus ex machina
 

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Chakra wize Kaguya is Rinne Sharingan Madara chakra + Full IT Chakra... So of course she would have more. However Madara's Final form was only compared with Kaguya in the Manga chakra wize.

Only chakra wize she is more powerful. And as for techs I think the Expansive Gudoma of hers can not get countered... Ash Bones can be avoided/counterd by Rinnegan techs but the Dimension drag could possibly since she could not catch RSM Naruto and Madara has almost the same reflexes.

Kishimoto said that he thought of Kaguya in the end of the manga... Would like to see more of Rinne Sharingan Madara. The thing is that he could use 2 Kekei Mora (and maybe do more) techs of Kaguya and had all of the IT chakra at his hands... So much potential...
 
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