Chidori tunnel vision makes no sense in NV

[UltraPain]

Ok I get the concept behind it (moving quickly and then your surroundings start to blur and reaction speed is less), but why is it such a big limitation for Kakashi without his sharingan when we see non sharingan users like Minato and Tobirama move at speeds that are hundreds of times faster than Kakahi with no tunnel vision or reaction drawbacks?

Does anyone else smell plot here? Like this was just a huge excuse to make Kakashi needing the sharingan justified?

 

[Made in Heaven]

It makes no sense .

 

[The Necromancer]

You're right.

In a world where shunshins, substitution jutsus, and chakra cloaks exist, a base shinobi sprinting should not cause tunnel vision.

I actually made a thread about it like 3 years ago, stating that Naruto's BM eyes could perceive better than the Sharingan.

 

[Skull Knight]

I agree. It makes no sense.

 

[hixa kuogame]

I thought it also came from the flash of lightning directly in his face.

 

[Everztar]

I thought it also came from the flash of lightning directly in his face.

Yes, it does.

Did you ever look straight at the sun? or a lamp? or when you drive the car and the sun is on your left and you have to close one eye unless you pull down the sun blocking thing?

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the chidori lights so bright that the light makes you get a tunnel vision...

having a very very very bright light on your left makes you it a "blind side" because you won't be able to see clearly that way

 

[Exaar]

Yes, it does.

OT: Did you ever look straight at the sun? or a lamp? or when you drive the car and the sun is on your left and you have to close one eye unless you pull down the sun blocking thing?

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the chidori lights so bright that the light makes you get a tunnel vision...

having a very very very bright light on your left makes you it a "blind side" because you won't be able to see clearly that way

The tunnel vision is based of the speed the user travels, IF it was due to the brightness of chidori the sharingan would suffer from the same problem, The sharingan doesn't have a built in Dimmer after all

 

[Everztar]

The tunnel vision is based of the speed the user travels, IF it was due to the brightness of chidori the sharingan would suffer from the same problem, The sharingan doesn't have a built in Dimmer after all

The Sharingan does suffer from the light... doesn't matter what eye you have, you can always be blinded by bright light.

so it blinds 1 side atleast, i'd say.
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but to end this thread, i'd just like to say that Minato and Tobirama doesn't "run in a straight line" like Kakashi need to...

you don't get "TUNNEL VISION" if you teleport. Only if you're moving forward - fast.

FTG - your whole body teleports to the new location... you should google FTG and Teleportation, that will clear your mind.

 

[GreyWizard93]

Hence why only one of sasuke eyes bleed.

 

[Arian]

Lol what a noob. If you paid notice there is not another move like the chidori.. minato and tobirama use TELEPORTATION meaning your body doesnt go fast and a straigt line but just appears at another spot. Thus there is no tunnel vision. Even rock lee said that he wouldnt be able to deliver a punch at such a speed.... tunnel vision is only a problem when your attacking the oponent head on...kinda like what kakadhi did during kakashi gaiden... minato had ro cover him via shurikens.

 

[Exaar]

The Sharingan does suffer from the light... doesn't matter what eye you have, you can always be blinded by bright light.

so it blinds 1 side atleast, i'd say.

Minato stated speed was the reason here

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[UltraPain]

The Sharingan does suffer from the light... doesn't matter what eye you have, you can always be blinded by bright light.

so it blinds 1 side atleast, i'd say.
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but to end this thread, i'd just like to say that Minato and Tobirama doesn't "run in a straight line" like Kakashi need to...

you don't get "TUNNEL VISION" if you teleport. Only if you're moving forward - fast.

FTG - your whole body teleports to the new location... you should google FTG and Teleportation, that will clear your mind.

Ay travels crazy fast without a sharingan and has lightning all around him but he doesn't have issues with tunnel vision or glares.

Minato stated speed was the reason here

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Thanks for sharing that scan. This was what I remembered as well. I don't recall any time where the light from the chidori was an issue but if someone can get a scan of that being said then I'll of course factor that in.

 

[Everztar]

Minato stated speed was the reason here

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Ay travels crazy fast without a sharingan and has lightning all around him but he doesn't have issues with tunnel vision or glares.

wtf, i never said it's not because of the speed?
of course it's speed, i know that? he asked if it's also from light and i answered him?

And who said Ay doesn't have that problem? maybe he does? but he's not afraid to attack straight forward with tunnel vision because of his "lightning armor" and "no one could break through it" and "he's so fast he won't miss" and "he wouldn't tell everyone his weak spot"

Even Naruto could dodge both the Third Raikage and Fourth, they were too slow to act, probably because of the tunnel vision. (Naruto having sage mode)

I'm just saying, that logic tells me that the light (in front of you) will give you a blind side. it's obvious since it happens to all humanbeings, unless you wear sunglasses...?

i NEVER SAID that it's not because of the speed? i only implied that the light should ALSO have something to do with it too? because i feel it would make sense if a source of light would blind you a little?

 

[UltraPain]

wtf, i never said it's not because of the speed?
of course it's speed, i know that? he asked if it's also from light and i answered him?

And who said Ay doesn't have that problem? maybe he does? but he's not afraid to attack straight forward with tunnel vision because of his "lightning armor" and "no one could break through it" and "he's so fast he won't miss" and "he wouldn't tell everyone his weak spot"

Even Naruto could dodge both the Third Raikage and Fourth, they were too slow to act, probably because of the tunnel vision.

I'm just saying, that logic tells me that the light (in front of you) will give you a blind side. it's obvious since it happens to all humanbeings, unless you wear sunglasses...?

i NEVER SAID that it's not because of the speed? i only implied that the light should ALSO have something to do with it too? because i feel it would make sense if a source of light would blind you a little?

Saying that Ay maybe has a problem with light is kinda grasping for straws, at least in my view. We've seen Ay and the 3rd use punches and one-fingered attacks which require expert coordination and precision at those speeds. If they were blinded then they'd just rush around and not land any hits, or they would be sloppy. We've seen their blitzing used dozens of times now and we would have already heard of a lighting/blinding limitation if it existed.

As for maneuverability, those two are actually amazing at that. The only time that you're mentioning them appearing to have slow reactions is with Naruto, which is strange to use as examples because Naruto has BM and SM, which are both near impossible for anyone in NV to land a hit on.

Btw none of us are saying that you don't consider the speed to be a factor. Exaar was just pointing out that Minato only talked about speed as the problem and that light wasn't mentioned as part of the issue as you were suggesting.

 

[Iruka]

Ay travels crazy fast without a sharingan and has lightning all around him but he doesn't have issues with tunnel vision or glares.

And who said Ay doesn't have that problem? maybe he does? but he's not afraid to attack straight forward with tunnel vision because of his "lightning armor" and "no one could break through it" and "he's so fast he won't miss" and "he wouldn't tell everyone his weak spot"

Saying that Ay maybe has a problem with light is kinda grasping for straws, at least in my view. We've seen Ay and the 3rd use punches and one-fingered attacks which require expert coordination and precision at those speeds. If they were blinded then they'd just rush around and not land any hits, or they would be sloppy. We've seen their blitzing used dozens of times now and we would have already heard of a lighting/blinding limitation if it existed.

Wasn't Ay an exception due to his lightning augmented reflexes? I'm sure I've heard that reason before, though it might have been the anime as all I could find in the manga was "Raikage's synapses fire as fast as a flash of light."

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The tunnel vision could have been related to Kakashi's lack of battle experience at that age. It did seem to be less emphasized as the series progressed. That could mean a plot device that Kishi forgot about, or that it was outgrown.

Also, comparing FTG to a sprint is like apples and oranges. You're not open to counter-attack during FTG as there is no intermediate step between the two locations.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I don't think it's tunnel vision that's limiting Kakashi. I think it's the lack of control. The Sharingan had likely helped him control his Chidori* better

 

[LeSauce]

Maybe Kakashi has bad eyesight?

If so, Obito's eye helped him in more way than we know.

 

[Everztar]

Saying that Ay maybe has a problem with light is kinda grasping for straws

i never said that Ay had a problem with light, but i mean that he might get tunnel vision from running fast...

This: "And who said Ay doesn't have that problem? maybe he does? but he's not afraid to attack straight forward with tunnel vision because of his "lightning armor" and "no one could break through it" and "he's so fast he won't miss" and "he wouldn't tell everyone his weak spot""

Was an answer to: Ay travels crazy fast without a sharingan and has lightning all around him but he doesn't have issues with tunnel vision or glares


Sorry

 

[chopstickchakra]

Ok I get the concept behind it (moving quickly and then your surroundings start to blur and reaction speed is less), but why is it such a big limitation for Kakashi without his sharingan when we see non sharingan users like Minato and Tobirama move at speeds that are hundreds of times faster than Kakahi with no tunnel vision or reaction drawbacks?

Does anyone else smell plot here? Like this was just a huge excuse to make Kakashi needing the sharingan justified?

It's become fairly clear Kishi doesn't remember a lot of the details of his early chapters and writes new things that contradict what he wrote prior.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

wtf, i never said it's not because of the speed?
of course it's speed, i know that? he asked if it's also from light and i answered him?

And who said Ay doesn't have that problem? maybe he does? but he's not afraid to attack straight forward with tunnel vision because of his "lightning armor" and "no one could break through it" and "he's so fast he won't miss" and "he wouldn't tell everyone his weak spot"

Even Naruto could dodge both the Third Raikage and Fourth, they were too slow to act, probably because of the tunnel vision. (Naruto having sage mode)

I'm just saying, that logic tells me that the light (in front of you) will give you a blind side. it's obvious since it happens to all humanbeings, unless you wear sunglasses...?

i NEVER SAID that it's not because of the speed? i only implied that the light should ALSO have something to do with it too? because i feel it would make sense if a source of light would blind you a little?

The raikage doesn't have to worry about tunnel vision because he has increase increase nerve functions and the same must go for minato and tobm the faster your nerves the faster your reaction basically