Americans are hilarious
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slimreaper
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you give credit to Obama for fixing the economy, yet support a man who wants to give away free everything and tax the **** out of America's business owners(AKA Job Creators) with absolutely no plan to reduce the debt.
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Lightbringer
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lol you think that by not taxing business owners that it will create more jobs? Uh no, that's not how that works. Banks don't like to give loans to small businesses because it is a risk on their part. 9/10 business fail within the first two years. They instead invest in major companies like Target because it gives them profit. The money they earn does not go toward making jobs, almost 90% of the profit is received as a paycheck.
Even if you lower taxes or cut the minimum wage, the companies will just add the extra profit to the CEO's salary.
So healthcare shouldn't be universal? Even though every other major country aside for the U.S. does it.
Bernie Sanders is trying to change that.
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[video=youtube;Wi-D24oCa10]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi-D24oCa10[/video]
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Lightbringer
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So a video from the 70s is a credible source? lol
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[video=youtube;EDe_4INcZ3k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDe_4INcZ3k[/video]
slimreaper
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I'm just gonna answer the guy in your video.
He suggests that the best way to create jobs is to give those at the bottom more spending money(increase in minimum wage)
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shat on
BUT even if that principle were true, Your hero Bernie Socialist is in favor of a nordic model. specifically the high personal income tax they use compared to the 40% Americans have right now(most of which is corporate tax).
Make your ****ing mind up. Do you want more money in the pockets of those at the bottom, or do you want to increase taxes exponentially by providing "free" everything?
"to redistribute wealth, you must first destroy the incentive to have wealth"- Milton Friedman
like minimum wage, bernie is gonna hurt the little man with his good intentions by biting the hand that feeds, but he doesn't have to face the consequences.
Lightbringer
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What in the flying **** are you talking about? You clearly have your facts completely wrong.
It has been proven time and time again that tax cutting the rich does not create more jobs.
It's not just about raising the minimum wage, there's more to it. That's just one piece of the puzzle. It requires widespread reform to the way our economy works, which is what Bernie is trying to do.
America used to have a working economy that favored the middle class up until Raegan, when he took capitalism and pushed it into its extreme form.
There have been countless statistics that prove this and Bernie's stance. You have no argument. You're just regurgitating the same Republican rhetoric.
Anyways I'm done here, no point in arguing with someone who's just going to dismiss facts.
slimreaper
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If there was a such thing as economic facts then the economy would always be good and never ebb and flow. give me an example of an economy that doesn't go up and down. Don't worry ill wait.
and there is a vast difference between tax cutting the rich, and not breaking them. closing loopholes is one thing, taxing the **** out of them is completely different and would bite the middle class in their backlash
I don't know many people asking to 'tax the f*ck' out of the rich. People are only asking that they take on more of the load so that the middle class stops shrinking, which I think is fair. I think people need to accept that we will never be a perfect capitalist society because it would never work. It can't work while people have sympathy and empathy. The discussion that needs to be had is how much socialism will we sprinkle into our capitalism coffee for it to be just right.
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closing loopholes is one thing. Raising taxes targeting business owners is another
as far as the socialism we need? we already have far too much.
Bernie Sanders is a "democratic socialist". Now you can mix Democracy with a few safety nets, but to mix it with actual socialism invites chaos every time the presidency changes.
Not to mention he is a blithering idiot
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What fools to want to give more power the the federal government thinking they're your friends. The more you divide that power the more individual freedom you have
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both. "
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Closing loopholes, raising taxes for the 'top', and penalizing big businesses from going overseas will go a long way. I don't see anything necessarily wrong with raising taxes as long as it isn't too much. I personally think raising the 'tops' tax rates over 50% like The Bern proposes is a little much for my tastes, but is historically low.
I think we have too much in some areas and not enough in other areas, if that makes sense. I think people simply need to realize that compromise is absolutely required.
How so?
That link does not prove The Bern to be an idiot at all actually. I'll quote one of the comments.
As for that Benjamin Franklin quote, that hardly applies here.
