[Discussion] How could the crew not defend themselves from those fodder?

[ultraChalk]

I'm trying to keep an open mind to this.

Most of Namis worthwhile attacks take prep time and she's most active when the whole crew is fighting and she's behind the scenes creating a storm. That's almost excusable but still, those were just nobodys with guns.

But the one I'm most disappointed with is Chopper. I mean Kun fu point much? Monster point muh? You didn't think to take cover under the ground?

And Brooke. Whether or not he's the fastest in the crew is debatable, but he's still most known for his blitz attacks. There is no doubt in my mind that he could have hit them all like lightning, you can't tell me they would have all reacted to him.

I see people getting on Sanji the most, but if anything he had the most excuse to not act. You can't expect him to throw down for everybody, they should be capable of defending themselves. He was in the center of all of them and his comrades were at gun point. It's not that he couldn't have beat them, but he didn't want to risk his crew.

So whats up with that, why couldn't they defend themselves?

I have a feeling that if Luffy or Zoro were there everybody would have acted different. He would have given them all a look and a smirk or something and they would have all would have attacked somebody at the same time. I get that we had to progress to the wedding thing but come on man, the rush was too obvious.

 

[loj]

You are underrating Capone now.We have never seen his real power.He simply blitzed them.No time to react what so ever.

 

[Insidious Smile]

You are underrating Capone now.We have never seen his real power.He simply blitzed them.No time to react what so ever.

How could Pekoms not have sensed Capone's incoming attack? Pekoms is a member of Biggu Mamu's crew! It's ridiculous.

Capone did speed blitz Sanji and Brook, but it was because Sanji and Brook both had their mouth open catching flies — they were paying attention at whatever they thought was coming out of Capone's body that they did no have time to react.

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[Punk Hazard]

Going up against an enemy with abilities you aren't 100% aware of and are surrounding you? Yeah, the thing about Sanji is he's brains and brawn. He does one sometimes, and one the other. This ain't nothing new. Remember Enies Lobby when he chose to avoid fighting fodder to do something smart in the control room? Same situation here, he's being smart about it.

 

[loj]

How could Pekoms not have sensed Capone's incoming attack? Pekoms is a member of Biggu Mamu's crew! It's ridiculous.

Capone did speed blitz Sanji and Brook, but it was because Sanji and Brook both had their mouth open catching flies — they were paying attention at whatever they thought was coming out of Capone's body that they did no have time to react.

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Well he got blitzed can't be helped...

 

[Lance171]

I'm trying to keep an open mind to this.

Most of Namis worthwhile attacks take prep time and she's most active when the whole crew is fighting and she's behind the scenes creating a storm. That's almost excusable but still, those were just nobodys with guns.

But the one I'm most disappointed with is Chopper. I mean Kun fu point much? Monster point muh? You didn't think to take cover under the ground?

And Brooke. Whether or not he's the fastest in the crew is debatable, but he's still most known for his blitz attacks. There is no doubt in my mind that he could have hit them all like lightning, you can't tell me they would have all reacted to him.

I see people getting on Sanji the most, but if anything he had the most excuse to not act. You can't expect him to throw down for everybody, they should be capable of defending themselves. He was in the center of all of them and his comrades were at gun point. It's not that he couldn't have beat them, but he didn't want to risk his crew.

So whats up with that, why couldn't they defend themselves?

I agree dude

 

[ultraChalk]

Going up against an enemy with abilities you aren't 100% aware of and are surrounding you? Yeah, the thing about Sanji is he's brains and brawn. He does one sometimes, and one the other. This ain't nothing new. Remember Enies Lobby when he chose to avoid fighting fodder to do something smart in the control room? Same situation here, he's being smart about it.

I said Sanji had the most excuse to not get involved.

My question is why anybody else didn't do anything.

You are underrating Capone now.We have never seen his real power.He simply blitzed them.No time to react what so ever.

Nah.

Most of the speed came from ejecting his henchman who were holding guns and we know how many times the Strawhats have defeated marine fodder with guns. Brook could have blitzed them if he wanted to. When Chopper got caught (how did they catch him anyway?) he could have fought back. Capone literally threw like 15, maybe 20 guys out of his body and they somehow managed to f everybody up. The Strawhats are NOT that easy to capture.

And I'm certainly not underrating Capone. I'm saying they could have fought back at the very least. This was just straight bullshit.

 

[Kingu]

How could Pekoms not have sensed Capone's incoming attack? Pekoms is a member of Biggu Mamu's crew! It's ridiculous.

Capone did speed blitz Sanji and Brook, but it was because Sanji and Brook both had their mouth open catching flies — they were paying attention at whatever they thought was coming out of Capone's body that they did no have time to react.

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Wasn't Pekoms emotionally unstable though, thanking and being grateful for what the SH did to save his race, causing him to let his gaurd down. I mean the guy was crying.

 

[ultraChalk]

How could Pekoms not have sensed Capone's incoming attack? Pekoms is a member of Biggu Mamu's crew! It's ridiculous.

Capone did speed blitz Sanji and Brook, but it was because Sanji and Brook both had their mouth open catching flies — they were paying attention at whatever they thought was coming out of Capone's body that they did no have time to react.

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Sanji cannot be held responsible for what happened this chapter.

Just because he's the strongest doesn't give everybody else the right to sit on their asses and wait to get saved, they should have fought for themselves.

 

[loj]

Nah.

Most of the speed came from ejecting his henchman who were holding guns and we know how many times the Strawhats have defeated marine fodder with guns. Brook could have blitzed them if he wanted to. When Chopper got caught (how did they catch him anyway?) he could have fought back. Capone literally threw like 15, maybe 20 guys out of his body and they somehow managed to f everybody up. The Strawhats are NOT that easy to capture.

And I'm certainly not underrating Capone. I'm saying they could have fought back at the very least. This was just straight bullshit.

LOL they were surounded...Pekoms got blitzed in seconds...them resisting would be a suicide especially if they get Nami...he threw 15-20 people and after that he could have thrown 500 out...

 

[ultraChalk]

LOL they were surounded...Pekoms got blitzed in seconds...them resisting would be a suicide especially if they get Nami...he threw 15-20 people and after that he could have thrown 500 out...

Now YOU'RE underestimating the Strawhats.

They were surrounded by fodder and this same crew of people except 200 times weaker dived head first into Marine prison headquarters with like 10,000+ fodder firing at them 360 degrees. There is no doubt in my mind Chopper and Nami together can defeat 500 fodder. And it wouldn't have even escalated to that.

My point is they could have put up more of a fight they literally surrendered.

I mean come on now, do you really think that what happened was sensible in the slightest? Chopper, Sanji, Brook, Nami AND Caesar getting captured by one of the Worst, probably among the weakest, and like 15 fodder with guns? Do you really believe that makes sense?

If they fought back and Capone launched a huge attack that KO'd everybody that would be different. But nah nobody even lifted so much as a finger.

 

[loj]

Now YOU'RE underestimating the Strawhats.

They were surrounded by fodder and this same crew of people except 200 times weaker dived head first into Marine prison headquarters with like 10,000+ fodder firing at them 360 degrees. There is no doubt in my mind Chopper and Nami together can defeat 500 fodder. And it wouldn't have even escalated to that.

My point is they could have put up more of a fight they literally surrendered.

I mean come on now, do you really think that what happened was sensible in the slightest? Chopper, Sanji, Brook, Nami AND Caesar getting captured by one of the Worst, probably among the weakest, and like 15 fodder with guns? Do you really believe that makes sense?

Who say they are fodders? they clearly aren't if they got caught....

We all know if Nami get caught it's over with the fighting...Nami was first to surrender LMAO what you on about...

 

[TheLegend0713]

I concur. Capone probably would have put up a good fight, but I think Sanji should have gotten him relatively quickly.

Once the rest of the crew catches up to him, it's gonna be a slaughter. Between Luffy, Law, and Zoro, he's out of his depth. Ope Ope no Mi would be hilarious against the Shiro Shiro no Mi. Capone's gunners fire cannonballs? Swap places with them so not only do the gunners get hit, but you've infiltrated the fort in one move.

Also, it would appear that there was a translation error here. It said in the NB scanlation that he has 3 billion, but, if the OP wiki is a good source of information, he has 300 million.

Who say they are fodders? they clearly aren't if they got caught....

We all know if Nami get caught it's over with the fighting...Nami was first to surrender LMAO what you on about...

Nah, there's no way there not fodder. He can't have that many men that are noteworthy fighters and be a minor subordinate to another pirate. The Strawhats just gave up without even thinking of fighting. This exact same scenario happened in King Neptune's Throne Room, save for having Usopp instead of Sanji and Chopper, only THIS time they gave up.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Capone did speed blitz Sanji and Brook

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?
sanji could have easily dodged those bullets, how is that blitzing? If you mean surrounding the enemy then even the marines can do that to top tiers.

In fact, brook himself was not rising his hands, heavily implying that he could have done something.



OT: I really don't know, oda probably just plot restricted chopper, how can he be outnumbered when he has monster point? what about then transformation that allows him to go through the ground at a high speed? Nami if you're worried then why not hide yourself with mirage tempo like in fishman island? wtf?

I personally feel like they were plot restricted for the sake of plot progression

 

[Tomato God]

You confuse the current situation they are in. They can still take apart this whole fort if they wanted to. But they do not want the mink men to worry so they are hearing him out.

 

[WhistleBlower]

I'm more interested in how Capone took a wounded Pekoms back to base and Big Mama didn't kill him for hurting one of her trustful and old nakama.

I mean if this were Whitebeard, he'd have demolished Capone into several hundred atoms. "The worst crime on a pirate ship is to murder one's nakama".

 

[Prince Badman]

I'm trying to keep an open mind to this.

Most of Namis worthwhile attacks take prep time and she's most active when the whole crew is fighting and she's behind the scenes creating a storm. That's almost excusable but still, those were just nobodys with guns.

But the one I'm most disappointed with is Chopper. I mean Kun fu point much? Monster point muh? You didn't think to take cover under the ground?

And Brooke. Whether or not he's the fastest in the crew is debatable, but he's still most known for his blitz attacks. There is no doubt in my mind that he could have hit them all like lightning, you can't tell me they would have all reacted to him.

I see people getting on Sanji the most, but if anything he had the most excuse to not act. You can't expect him to throw down for everybody, they should be capable of defending themselves. He was in the center of all of them and his comrades were at gun point. It's not that he couldn't have beat them, but he didn't want to risk his crew.

So whats up with that, why couldn't they defend themselves?

I guess thats what lack of leadership does.....Absence of Luffy Zorro Robin and Franky was overwhelming for the crew who were already scared...i mean Nami, Chopper Usopp are the weak trio right......Sanji couldn't haul ass for everyone....I guess inadequate leadership, lack of morale, terror of going up against a yonko was too much to handle for them...on the top of that they couldn't risk the mink tribe now could they..

 

[Black Mamba]

And Brooke. Whether or not he's the fastest in the crew is debatable

Are you joking?

To answer your question Sanji and Brook didn't fight because Nami and Chopper were already captured and taken hostage.

 

[keshav31]

How could Pekoms not have sensed Capone's incoming attack? Pekoms is a member of Biggu Mamu's crew! It's ridiculous.

Capone did speed blitz Sanji and Brook, but it was because Sanji and Brook both had their mouth open catching flies — they were paying attention at whatever they thought was coming out of Capone's body that they did no have time to react.

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Well SHs don't want to fight as it would harm the Zou island which was already in chaos.So talking is a better solution here.Also sanji don't know capone power etc so its better to see things before action.They are blitz as capone shot his own comrade.

 

[Love Cook]

There are some things you should take in account:

- Sanji left Nami, Chopper and Ceasar behind, only taking Brook.
- He did this because he knew that if it would end up in a fight they would have the best shot
- Nami and Chopper changed the situation and became hostages at gunpoint
- Sanji and Brook are now up against a strong Supernova while being surrounded
- Ceasar got bluffed making the situation more complicated
- Plot device was for Capone to explain the Winsmoke wedding so it was not time for his ass to get kicked
- Bullets aren't just blitzed at gun point when you're surrounded by 20 men with automatic rifles
- Bullets can still kill people in One Piece, even top tiers. (Look at Law)

So all in all Sanji handled this situation the best he could in this chapter. It;s inevitable for Bege to get defeated, but we have to be patient.