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EMS Madara vs 8th Gate Gai
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I was joking lol.
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Gai is too fast to be hit by any of madara's attacks.
As for offensive ability, Gai has far more power than is required to get through PS. First off, he doesn't even have to bust the entire construct, only what's in between him and madara which is basically just the gem considering PS won't be able to block with tails or arms since Gai is just too fast.
A single punch of Gai's easily broke through Madara's TSB shield, and that wasn't even the full force of the punch considering Gai kept on going through the landscape with the remaining power
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Juubito's shield, which should be weaker considering he's a weaker juubi jin than madara, was able to withstand a SM enhanced TBB + CS enhanced Susanoo arrow with far less damage
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An example of requiring far less power to bust the construct if it's focused on the head is when obito slams BSM naruto into the ground. The impact was enough to damage naruto enough that his cloak got removed, yet
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did far less damage because it wasn't fired at the head.Madara should lose in both scenarios.
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Good argument. Whose alt are you?
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no ones? I'm new here, nice to meet you.
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Nice to meet you too. This forum kind of has a unique writing style/ post format that most people on the versus section use.. a lot of new people dont have it unless they're an alt. But welcome, i enjoyed your post.
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Elephant steps should rock Madara's shit
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Depends. Madara's PS was negated by 4 Juubidamas whereas Juubito's TSB tanked it while Evening Elephant was able to bust through Juubidara's TSB, so it could bust through a specific part of Madara's PS.
Still, doesn't make sense for Juubito's TSB to be able to tank 4 Juubidamas ....
Still, doesn't make sense for Juubito's TSB to be able to tank 4 Juubidamas ....
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^ It makes perfect sense because the TSB didn't tank anything, they negated those Juubidama.
Anyway, Gai focusing on the crystal means nothing unless EE is now stronger than 12 TBB from 100% Kurama + Choujo Kebutsu [
Madara wins.
Anyway, Gai focusing on the crystal means nothing unless EE is now stronger than 12 TBB from 100% Kurama + Choujo Kebutsu [
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], which it is not by a long shot. EE being more focused means nothing when it doesn't contain nearly enough power to match that attack and thus squander the difference in power, and since Madara was largely unharmed in that panel, it means that's the minimum required to get through to him. PS' durability is also tiers above that the TSB when negation is not taken into consideration, so I don't know why that's brought up either. Also, Madara could literally just curl his PS into a ball and Gai couldn't do anything, even though he can't do anything to the crystal either way.Madara wins.
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I don't see PS getting hit with 12 TBB anywhere in that scan, and Choujo kebutsu's power was spread across half of the entire Kyuubi. If all of that power was focused on just the crystal, (an object that is thousands of times smaller than the kyuubi) Madara would have been disintegrated a thousand times over.
And in this case, it's even worse since Gai's not focusing on an area that's even smaller than the crystal.
Where does the notion that PS's durability is tiers above TSB come from?
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But following the gates logic:
Time of the day + Animal
Morning peackock
Afternoon Tiger
Evening Elephant
Night Moth or Dragon? If it's night guy, then is this word "guy" i kind of dragon or something? Or did kishi just give a **** about it?
On the italian and spanish version (viz scans too) it says Polilla (moth in spanish) and Falena (moth in italian)
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I don't recal PS ever getting hit by 12 TBBs.
EE doesn't have to come anywhere near to the power to match Choujo Kebutsu when it's focus on a target that's hundreds of times smaller than what Choujo kebutsu is on.
We already know that a single punch from EE is on a totally different level than a Sennin mode enhanced TBB, a single punch should rip right through the diamond considering Choujo Kebutsu (roughly equal to 12 TBBs) spread out across an area a hundred+ times greater than the diamond got through to madara.
What panels implied PS's durability is even on the same level as the TSB?
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^ The air pressure alone can't do anything to the shield, plus that was Issoku, the first punch. The higher the number of the punch, the more force behind it [
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]. The 5th punch was what shattered the TSB - he hit Madara, released the pressure inside the sphere and that, combined with Gai forcing himself and Madara through it was what broke the TSB, though it still wouldn't have made it if Gai attacked from range with just pressure again.Kuikamauna
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For some reason, I couldn't reply with a quote earlier. Anyways...
The explosions on the PS's side are cause by the impacts of Choujo Kebutsu as seen here:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS:
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EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
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and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
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Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
Before addressing madara curling up into PS like a ball, I want to know the basis for PS being tiers more durable than the TSB is.
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Unrestrict Night moth or Night guy w/e its called and the same outcome happens Gai loses. EE busting ps is laughable at best.
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For some reason, I couldn't reply with a quote earlier. Anyways...
The explosions on the PS's side are cause by the impacts of Choujo Kebutsu as seen here:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS:
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EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
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and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
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Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
Before addressing madara curling up into PS like a ball, I want to know the basis for PS being tiers more durable than the TSB is.
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For some reason, I couldn't reply with a quote earlier. Anyways...
@ ambivalence
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS:
The explosions on the PS's side are cause by the impacts of Choujo Kebutsu as seen here:
EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
Before addressing madara curling up into PS like a ball, I want to know the basis for PS being tiers more durable than the TSB is.
@ ambivalence
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS:
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EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
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and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
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Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
Before addressing madara curling up into PS like a ball, I want to know the basis for PS being tiers more durable than the TSB is.
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For some reason, I couldn't reply with a quote earlier. Anyways...
The explosions on the PS's side are cause by the impacts of Choujo Kebutsu as seen here:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS:
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EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
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and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
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Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
It seems to me that unless you claim that Chojou Kebutsu hits harder than 500 SM enhanced TBBs (5 punches x impact area of buddah punches vs Gai's) I don't see how one wouldn't arrive at the conclusion that Gai breaks through susanoo's gem.
Before addressing madara curling up into PS like a ball, I want to know the basis for PS being tiers more durable than the TSB is.
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For some reason, I couldn't reply with a quote earlier. Anyways...
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS.
EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
Therefore I don't see how anyone who isn't willing to claim that Chojou Kebutsu = hundreds of SM enhanced TBBs can also claim that PS's gem won't get breached by Gai.
I don't see anything in that scan that suggests PS took 12 TBB. PS was the one firing the 12 TBB, and we can see that the explosions from the TBB don't even touch PS.
EE being more focused most definitely means something considering Choujou Kebutsu's makes contact on an area half the size of the kyuubi:
we can see how large the area where the punches hit the kyuubi is here
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and how large that area is based on how much of PS was removed here:
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Half the kyuubi's surface area is hundreds of times greater than the area that a human-sized object like Gai will be hitting the susanoo gem.
Therefore I don't see how anyone who isn't willing to claim that Chojou Kebutsu = hundreds of SM enhanced TBBs can also claim that PS's gem won't get breached by Gai.