So, no one is going to call Naruto out in the Boruto Movie?

[The Necromancer]

The whole "cheating by using a tool" thing was bullshit, I don't care how people spin it, tools are tools, and had been used for generations.

Naruto was just butthurt.

Can civilians contain Kyuubb ?

Can civilians use chakra without training ?

Can civilians use this cheap tool ?

Answer these questions and you will see difference between Kyuubi and tool that Boruto used.

So what if a civilian used a ninja hound to defeat people? Is that cheating too?

 

[lndra]

Anyone with logic and common sense can understand why Naruto disqualified Boruto - And anyone who calls Naruto out by using Kurama's power, when he never asked for that, nor had a choice in the matter, is stupid.

Not sorry.

 

[lndra]

Also here you go:

It's easy to understand why Naruto reprimanded Boruto. The issue is his laziness which was facilitated by the use of the device; rather than train, when hitting a dead wall, he ran to the devices.

He has a responsibility to ensure that Boruto, and the other genin, grow into competent adults which wouldn't happen if they relied too heavily on a device that gave them all the skills they needed.

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It's his job to run the village, and produce better shinobi, not make more Boruto's.

If he didn't do that, you people and the other people in NV would be crying about Naruto being sympathetic with his child and allowing him to cheat. This is an exam for heavens sake. This isn't something in which Naruto could just show off his forgiveness attribute. He has to be just and fair. He has to maintain his reputation. He has to hold on to the responsibility of producing better shinobi. He banned those devices in the exams in the first place and for a reason i.e. to grow shinobi with their own potential instead of relying on external aids. You can't be facilitated in exams.

What Naruto did with Obito and Nagato was a test of his forgiveness which he passed with flying colors. What Naruto did with Boruto was a test of his justness which he again passed with flying colors. There are no double standards here, TBH.

I agree with what Demon Hawk said, but I also wanted to point out something.

In Naruto's case, he wasn't really cheating when he stole the scroll. He was tricked into doing it by Mizuki. He didn't know what TO do with the scroll, so he opened it up and started looking at the hidden techniques. He found one and began training extremely hard.

That's the difference here. Boruto was tricked into using the device, but he didn't train for any of the abilities he put inside of them bar the Shadow Clone Jutsu. Sure he can use Raiton and Suiton, but obviously not at that level.

I understand you're disliking of Naruto removing Boruto's headband in-front of everyone, but you have to put yourself in the Hokage's shoes. He is the son of the Hokage, and therefore is not just a representation of the Village, but a represention of yourself, as your child.

Not only did Boruto not heed Naruto's warning about not cheating, he used it in almost every match (despite Boruto doing it for Naruto and his team mates). So in that sense, Boruto wasn't ready to be a shinobi yet. Even Sasuke noted this a few times before Boruto become a "True" shinobi.

You should also look back to how proud Naruto was of his son, even pretending to not really be interested in the Exams until Shikamaru left the room. He was also hurt that his son's accomplishments didn't even come from himself. It's not a two way streak of pain.

I really don't see what the big deal is. He's a parent he's supposed to have double-standards. "Gee I did bad things when I was a kid, let me give my kid a pass so he learns absolutely nothing and has zero chance of being better than I was" Boruto would be all ****ed up going by that logic

The kid cheated, during the exam, using something that was strictly prohibited. And for good reason. When Naruto took that scroll he still had to train to learn the technique. You tried to compare it to using "sacred ninja tools, puppets etc" in an earlier comment, but they couldn't be any more different. That device doesn't use any of your chakra or require any technique. Dude that made it basically said you don't even have to be a ninja to use it. Hell HE used the shit. You can't compare that to puppets being manipulated by the user's chakra or ninja tools that the user trained to hone their skills with. That's like comparing a damn home cooked meal to tv dinners man. Tf?!

You said he's so understanding that he let guys like Nagato and Obito off the hook? Niga he FOUGHT them first. Would you have rather had him go whoop his son's ass then give him a pat on the back? Tf you mean?!

And will yall stop it with the Kurama crap. "No effort, he didn't train, blehhhh". Let it go man. What's the point of being a jinchuuriki if you can't even use the damn power? It's like finally getting eternal light for your sharingan only for a niga to tell you EMS techniques are off limits. And he ain't even ask for the shit. His life is constantly in danger of being taken over by an evil beast, and yall be tripping over him getting some chakra in return.

 

[The Necromancer]

Also here you go:

I'll ask you the same question. Let's say a civilian buys a ninja hound that's so immensely powerful that it can wipe the floor with the other Genin by himself. Is that cheating?

Let's say Kankuro puts a scroll containing every jutsu boruto used into one of his puppets.

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Is that cheating?

 

[take it easy]

So what if a civilian used a ninja hound to defeat people? Is that cheating too?

Yes. If they gives you free jutsu/skills/chakra.

 

[lndra]

I'll ask you the same question. Let's say a civilian buys a ninja hound that's so immensely powerful that it can wipe the floor with the other Genin by himself. Is that cheating?

Let's say Kankuro puts a scroll containing every jutsu boruto used into one of his puppets.

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Is that cheating?

I really don't see what the big deal is. He's a parent he's supposed to have double-standards. "Gee I did bad things when I was a kid, let me give my kid a pass so he learns absolutely nothing and has zero chance of being better than I was" Boruto would be all ****ed up going by that logic

The kid cheated, during the exam, using something that was strictly prohibited. And for good reason. When Naruto took that scroll he still had to train to learn the technique. You tried to compare it to using "sacred ninja tools, puppets etc" in an earlier comment, but they couldn't be any more different. That device doesn't use any of your chakra or require any technique. Dude that made it basically said you don't even have to be a ninja to use it. Hell HE used the shit. You can't compare that to puppets being manipulated by the user's chakra or ninja tools that the user trained to hone their skills with. That's like comparing a damn home cooked meal to tv dinners man. Tf?!

You said he's so understanding that he let guys like Nagato and Obito off the hook? Niga he FOUGHT them first. Would you have rather had him go whoop his son's ass then give him a pat on the back? Tf you mean?!

And will yall stop it with the Kurama crap. "No effort, he didn't train, blehhhh". Let it go man. What's the point of being a jinchuuriki if you can't even use the damn power? It's like finally getting eternal light for your sharingan only for a niga to tell you EMS techniques are off limits. And he ain't even ask for the shit. His life is constantly in danger of being taken over by an evil beast, and yall be tripping over him getting some chakra in return.

Bolded answered your question.

 

[The Necromancer]

Yes. If they gives you free jutsu/skills/chakra.

But it doesn't. It gives you nothing, it just fights, the same as any other Inuzuka.

Bolded answered your question.

Doesn't answer my other question.

Saying "boo hoo it doesn't take any chakra and a scroll takes 1% chakra" is retarded.

There is nothing that will convince me that Naruto wasn't just butthurt because times were changing.

You think if Naruto could have had a gun to stop Kaguya he wouldn't have used it?

 

[lndra]

Doesn't answer my other question.

I don't see how it doesn't. Your question is self explanatory, in fact, you don't really need me to answer it.

There is no Ninja tool up-to-date that doesn't require training to use, right? Name one. Shuriken? You have to train for it. Kunai? The same. Puppetry? The same. Ninja hounds? The same. Or do you think Kiba and Akamaru's synchronization came instantly?

There's no Ninja Tool bar the KOTE device which allows the Ninja to learn techniques without training first, like the post explained before, even the owner of the Device said that you don't even need to be a Ninja to use it.

Do you think anyone can use a proper ninja tool skillfully, whether it be dog, puppet, or weapon? Or do you think anyone can press a button and unleash a powerful technique? Oh wait, the latter did during the fight against Momoshiki.

Anyway like I said before, if you don't understand why Naruto did it, it's more than likely your fishing for some double standard connotation when it doesn't exist. Let me catch someone blame Naruto for using the Kyuubi's power, when it's his power, because he's a Jinchuriki (in fact Jiraiya even trained him to use it prior to Neji's match), compared to Boruto who didn't even train to use his 'ninja tool' compared to his father.

 

[The Necromancer]

I don't see how it doesn't. Your question is self explanatory, in fact, you don't really need me to answer it.

There is no Ninja tool up-to-date that doesn't require training to use, right? Name one. Shuriken? You have to train for it. Kunai? The same. Puppetry? The same. Ninja hounds? The same. Or do you think Kiba and Akamaru's synchronization came instantly?

There's no Ninja Tool bar the KOTE device which allows the Ninja to learn techniques without training first, like the post explained before, even the owner of the Device said that you don't even need to be a Ninja to use it.

Do you think anyone can use a proper ninja tool skillfully, whether it be dog, puppet, or weapon? Or do you think anyone can press a button and unleash a powerful technique? Oh wait, the latter did during the fight against Momoshiki lol.

My scenario was that the ninja hound was so good, the user didn't need to train it, and it would win by itself.

I guess you didn't read my comment, and just blindly assumed what I was saying.

Naruto was abusing his position. He believed Akamaru should be banned when he was taking the exam, so when he was given the chance, he banned tools.

 

[juzumaki]

But why was it banned? Because it take purpose out of being a Ninja to him. Isn't that a bit hypocritical when he used Kurama? A Tailed Beast Power is not an ability.

it was banned because it goes against the purpose of the exam to see the kids abilities, if they are capable of carrying out chunin level missions

it is an ability a jinchuriki's ability

 

[The Necromancer]

it was banned because it goes against the purpose of the exam to see the kids abilities if the capable of carrying out chunin level missions

So you're saying that Boruto couldn't complete Chunin level missions with the wristband? Might as well have them fight without jutsus to see if they can get to that level, then let them use jutsus on missions anyway.

Restricting something for an exam that they will have full access to in the situation the exam tests for is stupid in my opinion.

 

[lndra]

My scenario was that the ninja hound was so good, the user didn't need to train it, and it would win by itself.

I guess you didn't read my comment, and just blindly assumed what I was saying.

Naruto was abusing his position. He believed Akamaru should be banned when he was taking the exam, so when he was given the chance, he banned tools.

Yeah and then Naruto got schooled on why Akamaru is a valid ninja tool.

Anyway no. Just having a strong dog doesn't equate in a total win by itself. I believe it was said back in the Part 1 arc with Kiba that dogs need to be honed and synchronized early on. Even if it was powerful, they would probably just get in each other's way. Plus, the dog can't even use basic ninjutsu without the owner.

 

[The Necromancer]

Yeah and then Naruto got schooled on why Akamaru is a valid ninja tool.

Keep dodging my question please.

 

[lndra]

Keep dodging my question please.

I answered your question mate.

Yeah and then Naruto got schooled on why Akamaru is a valid ninja tool.

Anyway no. Just having a strong dog doesn't equate in a total win by itself. I believe it was said back in the Part 1 arc with Kiba that dogs need to be honed and synchronized early on. Even if it was powerful, they would probably just get in each other's way. Plus, the dog can't even use basic ninjutsu without the owner.

 

[The Necromancer]

I answered your question mate.

Nice edit.

That's not even applicable though. The dog will get in my way? Bro. Come on. Try harder than that. Ninja hounds can't act without assistance? Maybe a baby, but there are ninja hounds that can ****ing talk! Tell me they don't have intelligence enough to act on their own.

If I can bring in my hound, sit in the corner and watch him destroy everyone else without me ever lifting a finger, tell me how that's fair and in no way violates the established rules you're interpreting. How about if my hound is the size of the Juubi? Now is it cheating? Or are you telling me there is no scenario at all in which your rules contradict each other?

 

[take it easy]

But it doesn't. It gives you nothing, it just fights, the same as any other Inuzuka.

Then in your scenario this isnt cheat, but in manga to use Inuzuka dogs you need skills.

 

[The Necromancer]

Then in your scenario this isnt cheat, but in manga to use Inuzuka dogs you need skills.

So you're saying because a situation hasn't happened, it's not against the rules.

So I guess guns are fair because no one has ever brought one, right?

 

[lndra]

Nice edit.

That's not even applicable though. The dog will get in my way? Bro. Come on. Try harder than that. Ninja hounds can't act without assistance? Maybe a baby, but there are ninja hounds that can ****ing talk! Tell me they don't have intelligence enough to act on their own.

If I can bring in my hound, sit in the corner and watch him destroy everyone else without me ever lifting a finger, tell me how that's fair and in no way violates the established rules you're interpreting.

Don't really see your argument anymore. Your basically trying to put a double standard against the Ninja Tool situation by saying what if a Inuzuka member (or anyone really) had a strong animal-type partner. I'll just give it to you straight to end this right now - It is a Ninja Tool, and it's applicable. Your argument fails on so many levels because:

> A ninja dog needs to work in conjunction with it's Tamer, and no, just because it's strong, doesn't mean shit. There's no 'strong' animal on this planet that can suddenly defeat a trained Ninja to fit your petty squabbling. They can't even use Ninjutsu, so because of they can speak (lmfao wow), or having a logical process, doesn't change that.

> The whole reasoning that a ninja tool in animal form is applicable is because they are supposed to be trained for combat. Unlike the Ninja tool, which doesn't need training to use.

Which seems to be the thing you are missing in your entire argument. Please show me where a Ninja tool doesn't need training to use, or wasn't trained for combat prior, and then used in the CE like the Device. And then you have yourself a real argument.

Edit: Fixed spelling

 

[The Necromancer]

Don't really see your argument anymore. Your basically trying to put a double standard against the Ninja Tool situation by saying what if a Inuzuka member (or anyone really) had a strong animal-type partner. I'll just give it to you straight to end this right now - It is a Ninja Tool, and it's applicable. The entire problem with your argument fails on so many levels because:

> A ninja dog needs to work in conjunction with it's Tamer, and no, just because it's strong, doesn't mean shit. There's no 'strong' animal on this planet that can suddenly defeat a trained Ninja to fit your petty squabbling. They can't even use Ninjutsu, so because of they can speak (lmfao wow), or having a logical process, doesn't change that.

> The whole reasoning that a ninja tool in animal form is applicable is because they are supposed to be trained for combat. Unlike the Ninja tool, which doesn't need training to use.

Which seems to be the think you are missing in your entire argument. Please show me where a Ninja tool doesn't need training to use, or wasn't trained for combat prior, and then used in the CE like the Device. And you have yourself a real argument.

You have no idea what I'm even talking about.

I'm proposing a logical situation that has already been approved by the standards of the already set rules governing the exam which inherently breaks the newly established rule set by Naruto as well, in order to show you that this double standard ruling is retarded and unnecessary.

Tools that require no chakra or training are not allowed? Cool. Here's my dog that's strong enough to win without either. (Your edits of the hypothetical don't disprove it, they just change it to fit in your flawed argument)

How about Kiba vs. Ino? Akamaru pops a pill, and now he's faster than Ino can react to. Kiba doesn't have to fight. Ino loses to a dog with no jutsus. Fair?