[VS] Whitebeard vs Akainu

[Punk Hazard]

What about Mihawk?

Oh yeah, Mihawk has the same chance as Shanks.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Oh yeah, Mihawk has the same chance as Shanks.

I thought you believed that Mihawk is slightly stronger than Shanks.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I thought you believed that Mihawk is slightly stronger than Shanks.

Okay and?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Okay and?

So ahouldn't his chance of winning against Akainu be better than Shanks' chance of winning against Akainu?

 

[Bogard]

1. Many people bring up the stab wound he got as the reason he was so weakened BUT its the very fact that someone of that caliber could give WB that stab wound is what makes him weak. Crocodile said

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Marco immediately

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. Notice two things with Marco's statement. People always complain about Squards attack being a cheapshot but Oda doesn't allow that to be used as an excuse, the other thing look at the emphasis on the life support WB was on. WB had to be under constant medical care on his ship as soon as he takes those off his health is in jeopardy

First mistake. The "weakness" Oda was trying to emphasize here was WB's current weakness comparatively to what he used to be. What i mean by this is that from Crocodile or Marco's perspective, these kinds of attacks shouldn't have landed to the real WB(and we have examples of this with Ace failing to hit sleeping WB repetitive moments of time before), not that the sneak attack would have failed against anyone. No, it was important to emphasize because it was WB and his observation+reaction speed was above the standard

2. Whitebeard not once could damage an Admiral during the war (with an exception I'll get into later). VS

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He blocked Akainu's attack, Aokiji made a hole on his body(a logia trick) and by the time WB faced Kizaru he was already heavily weakened, so not sure what it was supposed to mean. Also, do you expected Whitebeard to finish off admirals in short clashes or something? It was a war, so it's not like they are having individual fights where WB would have to go all out to finish the opponent. It could require a lot of strength just to defeat a single admiral and the others could even back him up or even have to step in after one is defeated and so on and so on. In these type of circumstances, it's extremely important to not go recklessly with your strength, especially in a time where you're more worrying about Ace's schedule than the actual fight. We even see at some point Akainu complaining at WB not looking at him during their fight.

It took Ace's death AND a complete

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for WB to damage an Admiral and despite all this Akainu took half his head arguably dealing just as much lasting damage as he received from WB. WB had to be in Rage mode AND needed a cheapshot.

Because the objective of the war just died infront of his eye, and from that moment in time he had no reasons to hold back anymore, especially when he was already determined to die with all the marines past that point. And this is the most important part that shows the difference in level between Marineford WB and the admirals

Like i've already replied once

1- Whitebeard's reflexes were slower than usual, evidenced by the fact that anyone who knew him said he wouldn't have gotten stabbed by Squardo under normal circumstances

2- Whitebeard had problems to control his haki(at least his conqueror) due to health problems evidenced by when he failed to knock out the guardians that were about to execute Ace

3- The stab injury Whitebeard got from Squardo was severe enough that even an endurance beast like Luffy couldn't believe he could still fight after that

4- On top of those handicaps, Whitebeard received much more injuries during the war, to the point of being close to a half dead state before even facing Akainu

5- You say WB cheapshoted Akainu sure, but even if we take into consideration the intial shot Whitebeard gave to Akainu, Whitebeard was still in a considerably worse state(a minor-to moderate injury compared to someone half dead isn't even comparable) than Akainu after Akainu retaliated, yet even on top of these multiple handicaps, Whitebeard still slightly dodged Akainu's assault and KO'd him with a quake for a considerable moment of time, but ignored him because he had other things to do.

If even on top of all those advantages, the best Akainu could achieve was being a little weaker, he'd have been eaten alive by start of marineford Whitebeard, let alone his prime self

3. WB could not handle battling a top tier for too long at his condition. This is the most important one and it absolutely can't be argued.

In the middle of his battle with Akainu WB suffers a

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notice what Akainu says (once again Oda letting us know his era is over).

This is what Marco had to

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once again building up from his thoughts last time when he got stabbed. Meaning Marco clearly knew WB would eventually succumb to this whilst fighting.

NOW WB is wiiide open for an

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against a top tier, this was in a way plot shield Akainu could have gone for the head if he wanted but that wouldn't work for the plot.

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, Sengoku is telling fodders to attack WB and even they are able to damage him, IMAGINE what Akainu could have done during this time ATLEAST one more magma punch could have been givin to WB during this time.

SO whether or not you think Akainu could have ended WB then and there, WB even if he would have survived would have been in a downward struggle losing battle as he already has massive damage taken while Akainu has nothing.

Here is the thing you forget. Durability is also part of the reason behind Whitebeard's incredible might:

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. If even with free shots, Akainu is incapable to heavily damage Whitebeard, it on the contrarily shows the difference in power level between him and Whitebeard to me. It took him being considerably wore down and half dead for Akainu to even do significant damage to Whitebeard when half dead WB only required 2hits to put Akainu down

Add to this what i already said a paragraph before

There is no way in hell WB could have taken on any one on Akainu's level with his ongoing problems, do you realize how long top tiers can fight against each other

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? You think WB wouldn't suffer some sort of health related issue during a battle with Shanks or Akainu/other Admirals? That is a joke if I've ever heard one.

No, how long you can fight depends on how much energy you put into your clashes. Ace and Jinbei could fight for 5days, yet it took few hours at best for Yami Teach to best Ace. We've seen as well that Jack could possibly replicate that feat. Akainu fighting Aokiji for 10days just shows that it's his limit comparatively to another top tier in Akainu. It's not his limit comparatively to someone above him in Whitebeard. It would not require 10days for WB to defeat Akainu when half dead WB with significantly greater disadvantages came out on top

 

[Punk Hazard]

So ahouldn't his chance of winning against Akainu be better than Shanks' chance of winning against Akainu?

Sure. It's not like it's that big a difference.

 

[ToshiZO]

First mistake. The "weakness" Oda was trying to emphasize here was WB's current weakness comparatively to what he used to be. What i mean by this is that from Crocodile or Marco's perspective, these kinds of attacks shouldn't have landed to the real WB(and we have examples of this with Ace failing to hit sleeping WB repetitive moments of time before), not that the sneak attack would have failed against anyone. No, it was important to emphasize because it was WB and his observation+reaction speed was above the standard

Yup this is why its my response to those saying he was the Worlds Strongest Man, he is much weaker than when he got that title was he tested of late? No this war was his test and Oda let us know he is not even a fraction of what he should be.

That and it means the Squard stab was not allowed to be made an excuse, and regardless of that stab it was highlighted that he needed life support to even properly function. His own FM was worried for him the entire time because he removed his machinery. And later Marco even said it was just as he predicted.

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So the heart attack was only a matter of time. It will occur during his battle with Akainu whether you like it or not.

He blocked Akainu's attack, Aokiji made a hole on his body(a logia trick) and by the time WB faced Kizaru he was already heavily weakened, so not sure what it was supposed to mean. Also, do you expected Whitebeard to finish off admirals in short clashes or something? It was a war, so it's not like they are having individual fights where WB would have to go all out to finish the opponent. It could require a lot of strength just to defeat a single admiral and the others could even back him up or even have to step in after one is defeated and so on and so on. In these type of circumstances, it's extremely important to not go recklessly with your strength, especially in a time where you're more worrying about Ace's schedule than the actual fight. We even see at some point Akainu complaining at WB not looking at him during their fight.

This is supposed to mean that he is not gonna put the Admirals down as fast as people want to believe.

Love the logic here too I can go around and say Admirals were holding back because they were defending their home turf as they didn't want to destroy it, therefore they were being very very reserved fighting against anyone in the War.

I didn't see WB holding back

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despite Ace being on the execution platform. Guess who were the ones protecting the platform? Yea that's right, the

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.

Infact it was

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to try and protect it, indicating he wasn't worried about his surroundings as much as the Admirals were, so I can easily say the Admirals were more nerfed in that regard.

This is also backed by his initial attack on MF, where he

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everything,

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to protect HQ.

So this whole holding back argument only favours the Admirals definitely not WB. You aren't gonna make your home a mess you are trying to prevent it.

Because the objective of the war just died infront of his eye, and from that moment in time he had no reasons to hold back anymore, especially when he was already determined to die with all the marines past that point. And this is the most important part that shows the difference in level between Marineford WB and the admirals

Nah it was simply rage, WB had no reason to hold back to begin with. When someone you love dies like that you can either break and fall into rage or despair WB fell into the former category, there will be no rage taking place on that level in a separate scenario, we have seen even Luffy with rage can overcome much stronger enemies for brief moments, this is nothing special.

1- Whitebeard's reflexes were slower than usual, evidenced by the fact that anyone who knew him said he wouldn't have gotten stabbed by Squardo under normal circumstances

Ok.

2- Whitebeard had problems to control his haki(at least his conqueror) due to health problems evidenced by when he failed to knock out the guardians that were about to execute Ace

He had trash protection from physical damage as well, so you can say his overall Haki was weak (especially armament)

3- The stab injury Whitebeard got from Squardo was severe enough that even an endurance beast like Luffy couldn't believe he could still fight after that

Cool.

4- On top of those handicaps, Whitebeard received much more injuries during the war, to the point of being close to a half dead state before even facing Akainu

What about when he only recieved Squards stab? How did he fare against Akainu then?

5- You say WB cheapshoted Akainu sure, but even if we take into consideration the intial shot Whitebeard gave to Akainu, Whitebeard was still in a considerably worse state(a minor-to moderate injury compared to someone half dead isn't even comparable) than Akainu after Akainu retaliated, yet even on top of these multiple handicaps, Whitebeard still slightly dodged Akainu's assault and KO'd him with a quake for a considerable moment of time, but ignored him because he had other things to do.

All I know is it took rage and a cheapshot to land his first blow, for that brief moment WB was ignoring all pain and drawbacks thats what it means to be enraged, it is a common manga trope.

Once again plot allowed WB to live on to take Teach, if Akainu had not fallen down WB would not be meeting Teach, and like Riker said earlier there was water in that gap WB created so we can completely eliminate this notion that Akainu was "immobilized" or KO'd.

If even on top of all those advantages, the best Akainu could achieve was being a little weaker, he'd have been eaten alive by start of marineford Whitebeard, let alone his prime self

Prime WB is another matter. Akainu handled WB with no issues, it was WB who couldn't handle exerting his body and backed by Marco's statement it was something he was almost expecting to happen going up against a top tier like Akainu, it all goes back to his health.

Here is the thing you forget. Durability is also part of the reason behind Whitebeard's incredible might:

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. If even with free shots, Akainu is incapable to heavily damage Whitebeard, it on the contrarily shows the difference in power level between him and Whitebeard to me. It took him being considerably wore down and half dead for Akainu to even do significant damage to Whitebeard when half dead WB only required 2hits to put Akainu down

SO now Akainu's attacks aren't even significant but you want me to believe Squards stab was? Who says Akainu didn't heavily damage WB, it was mostly because of Akainu WB died. I already said this plot saved WB from Akainu in their first encounter there is no denying that.

No, how long you can fight depends on how much energy you put into your clashes. Ace and Jinbei could fight for 5days, yet it took few hours at best for Yami Teach to best Ace. We've seen as well that Jack could possibly replicate that feat. Akainu fighting Aokiji for 10days just shows that it's his limit comparatively to another top tier in Akainu. It's not his limit comparatively to someone above him in Whitebeard. It would not require 10days for WB to defeat Akainu when half dead WB with significantly greater disadvantages came out on top

Not saying it lasts 10 days, I just showed that so people can understand these people can fight others in the same level for days.

Lets not get into generalizing everything and skipping over the details. Do you honestly believe WB won't have a heart attack in the middle of his fight with Akainu? Do you honestly believe WB is so much superior that he beats Akainu before he suffers from heart problems?

You yourself said in this very post that beating someone Admiral level is not something you can do so quickly, without an opening WB and Akainu won't even be landing a blow till God Knows how long, the one with the sickness is gonna be tiring first and when he does you can betcha plot wont be around to protect him, Sengoku won't be there to save WB from taking more than 1 hit from Akainu by ordering a bunch of fodder to attack. Akainu will capitalize and WB is not gonna be able to recover from that slip up. Just not happening.

Since Squards stab was so significant according to you the only argument you can make for WB is:

He beats Akainu without even recieving a single blow and he does it in a matter of minutes.

Which is a load of bs.

 

[-Akuma-]

Yup this is why its my response to those saying he was the Worlds Strongest Man, he is much weaker than when he got that title was he tested of late? No this war was his test and Oda let us know he is not even a fraction of what he should be.

I had to address this ludicrous part of the post. Even with his old age and conditions he was still treated as the Strongest Man by Sengoku, one of the most knowledgeable people on OP planet. Even at a fraction he should still be above everyone else, your problem is thinking that a sick WB can't be the strongest.

I didn't see WB holding back

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despite Ace being on the execution platform. Guess who were the ones protecting the platform? Yea that's right, the

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?? In that scan do you see him affecting th scaffolding, that was what he was concerned about. He was directly attacking the scaffolding.

Infact it was

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to try and protect it, indicating he wasn't worried about his surroundings as much as the Admirals were, so I can easily say the Admirals were more nerfed in that regard.

No Admiral were scared of destorying MF, there powers don't work on the same scale as MF please stop reaching

Only addressing this parts of this long post, pointed out the parts were you was reaching the most

 

[ToshiZO]

I had to address this ludicrous part of the post. Even with his old age and conditions he was still treated as the Strongest Man by Sengoku, one of the most knowledgeable people on OP planet. Even at a fraction he should still be above everyone else, your problem is thinking that a sick WB can't be the strongest.





?? In that scan do you see him affecting th scaffolding, that was what he was concerned about. He was directly attacking the scaffolding.



No Admiral were scared of destorying MF, there powers don't work on the same scale as MF please stop reaching

Only addressing this parts of this long post, pointed out the parts were you was reaching the most

Lmfao Sengoku? Sengoku the man who hypes everyone and their mothers? If we made a list of the people Sengoku has hyped it wouldn't end. Ofcourse WB demands respect there is nothing wrong with that. Are we just gonna ignore all his feats and go with what hypemaster Sengoku has said, dude was yelling planet buster lmfao.

He has hyped Crocodile, Hancock among many others, lets not overlook feats for empty words now.

As for the second part LMAO I can't believe you are implying Admiral attacks don't cover MF HQ smh...... I genuinely don't have a reply for that other than severe underestimation. Although I don't think you are that dumb right now you are just reaching, we have not seen the epitome of Admiral attacks, just look at Fujitoras island lifting in Dressrosa, or Kuzan/Akainu permanently changing the climate of an island as a SIDE EFFECT of fighting, MF HQ is absolutely nothing to them if they wanted to destroy it.

So I will say it again, Admirals were holding back their DC more than anyone. And I was not the first to use that point either, It was in response to the claim that apparently WB was holding back, manga clearly points at the opposite.

 

[LBeezy]

Yup this is why its my response to those saying he was the Worlds Strongest Man, he is much weaker than when he got that title was he tested of late? No this war was his test and Oda let us know he is not even a fraction of what he should be.

That and it means the Squard stab was not allowed to be made an excuse, and regardless of that stab it was highlighted that he needed life support to even properly function. His own FM was worried for him the entire time because he removed his machinery. And later Marco even said it was just as he predicted.

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So the heart attack was only a matter of time. It will occur during his battle with Akainu whether you like it or not.


This is supposed to mean that he is not gonna put the Admirals down as fast as people want to believe.

Love the logic here too I can go around and say Admirals were holding back because they were defending their home turf as they didn't want to destroy it, therefore they were being very very reserved fighting against anyone in the War.

I didn't see WB holding back

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despite Ace being on the execution platform. Guess who were the ones protecting the platform? Yea that's right, the

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.

Infact it was

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to try and protect it, indicating he wasn't worried about his surroundings as much as the Admirals were, so I can easily say the Admirals were more nerfed in that regard.

This is also backed by his initial attack on MF, where he

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everything,

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to protect HQ.

So this whole holding back argument only favours the Admirals definitely not WB. You aren't gonna make your home a mess you are trying to prevent it.

Nah it was simply rage, WB had no reason to hold back to begin with. When someone you love dies like that you can either break and fall into rage or despair WB fell into the former category, there will be no rage taking place on that level in a separate scenario, we have seen even Luffy with rage can overcome much stronger enemies for brief moments, this is nothing special.



Ok.


He had trash protection from physical damage as well, so you can say his overall Haki was weak (especially armament)


Cool.


What about when he only recieved Squards stab? How did he fare against Akainu then?


All I know is it took rage and a cheapshot to land his first blow, for that brief moment WB was ignoring all pain and drawbacks thats what it means to be enraged, it is a common manga trope.

Once again plot allowed WB to live on to take Teach, if Akainu had not fallen down WB would not be meeting Teach, and like Riker said earlier there was water in that gap WB created so we can completely eliminate this notion that Akainu was "immobilized" or KO'd.


Prime WB is another matter. Akainu handled WB with no issues, it was WB who couldn't handle exerting his body and backed by Marco's statement it was something he was almost expecting to happen going up against a top tier like Akainu, it all goes back to his health.


SO now Akainu's attacks aren't even significant but you want me to believe Squards stab was? Who says Akainu didn't heavily damage WB, it was mostly because of Akainu WB died. I already said this plot saved WB from Akainu in their first encounter there is no denying that.


Not saying it lasts 10 days, I just showed that so people can understand these people can fight others in the same level for days.

Lets not get into generalizing everything and skipping over the details. Do you honestly believe WB won't have a heart attack in the middle of his fight with Akainu? Do you honestly believe WB is so much superior that he beats Akainu before he suffers from heart problems?

You yourself said in this very post that beating someone Admiral level is not something you can do so quickly, without an opening WB and Akainu won't even be landing a blow till God Knows how long, the one with the sickness is gonna be tiring first and when he does you can betcha plot wont be around to protect him, Sengoku won't be there to save WB from taking more than 1 hit from Akainu by ordering a bunch of fodder to attack. Akainu will capitalize and WB is not gonna be able to recover from that slip up. Just not happening.

Since Squards stab was so significant according to you the only argument you can make for WB is:

He beats Akainu without even recieving a single blow and he does it in a matter of minutes.

Which is a load of bs.

I like how you keep ignoring my posts every time I quote you.. It shows exactly just how weak and wrong you are. Especially how it's not just only myself who is destroying you. I see you're afraid of more defeat and that's fine and all.

At the end of the day.. Stop assuming that a FRESH WB is gonna have a heart attack. Cause even IF he does, It's probably not gonna happen before Akainu gets his ass beat.

And I had a question for you, that you still have yet to answer... if Akainu is this beast you claim he is. And how "NOBODY Besides Kaido (IF THAT) CAN BEAT HIM" (YOUR words) and in the current time line of the OP manga, with WB no longer being alive, and the battle at marineford being long over with, why hasn't Oda/OP world given Akainu the title for world's strongest man yet? Huh?

I'm curious... why not?

If the WG themselves agreed with and used that title for WB, a pirate, why not say, "hey, you know what, he's dead and that era is over. Let's get the world to now know our little puppy dog Akainu is the new world's strongest man. Our very own marine, who no one else can beat, is the world's strongest man world."??

Why doesn't Oda address it.. let it be known to us readers?

Heck, BB has WB's very same DF now, PLUS another powerful DF, yet no one is calling him the world's strongest man.

WB had the title for a reason. Akainu is far from deserving of that title. Aokiji fought him for 10 days. Shanks stopped his lava fist with his one arm + sword and didn't move an inch backwards.

Whitebeard > Akainu

Deal with it ya jabroni.

 

[ToshiZO]

I like how you keep ignoring my posts every time I quote you.. It shows exactly just how weak and wrong you are. Especially how it's not just only myself who is destroying you. I see you're afraid of more defeat and that's fine and all.

At the end of the day.. Stop assuming that a FRESH WB is gonna have a heart attack. Cause even IF he does, It's probably not gonna happen before Akainu gets his ass beat.

And I had a question for you, that you still have yet to answer... if Akainu is this beast you claim he is. And how "NOBODY Besides Kaido (IF THAT) CAN BEAT HIM" (YOUR words) and in the current time line of the OP manga, with WB no longer being alive, and the battle at marineford being long over with, why hasn't Oda/OP world given Akainu the title for world's strongest man yet? Huh?

I'm curious... why not?

If the WG themselves agreed with and used that title for WB, a pirate, why not say, "hey, you know what, he's dead and that era is over. Let's get the world to now know our little puppy dog Akainu is the new world's strongest man. Our very own marine, who no one else can beat, is the world's strongest man world."??

Why doesn't Oda address it.. let it be known to us readers?

Heck, BB has WB's very same DF now, PLUS another powerful DF, yet no one is calling him the world's strongest man.

WB had the title for a reason. Akainu is far from deserving of that title. Aokiji fought him for 10 days. Shanks stopped his lava fist with his one arm + sword and didn't move an inch backwards.

Whitebeard > Akainu

Deal with it ya jabroni.

I'm ignoring your posts because you aren't saying anything relevant, you were acting like a cheerleader on the side.

I already answered your question. Akainu just like Teach, just like Shanks just like any other elite can beat anyone in this verse excluding Kaido. Can he lose to others? Sure...but he can beat them as well...there is only 1 character who has been separated from the rest atm and his name is Kaidou. Akainu is not getting special treatment.

 

[LBeezy]

I'm ignoring your posts because you aren't saying anything relevant, you were acting like a cheerleader on the side.

I already answered your question. Akainu just like Teach, just like Shanks just like any other elite can beat anyone in this verse excluding Kaido. Can he lose to others? Sure...but he can beat them as well...there is only 1 character who has been separated from the rest atm and his name is Kaidou. Akainu is not getting special treatment.

Almost all of your other posts say otherwise..

But with this post of yours, I can agree with you.

Idk why your other posts looks so differently. I felt like you were gassing Akainu way too much dude.

 

[ToshiZO]

Almost all of your other posts say otherwise..

But with this post of yours, I can agree with you.

Idk why your other posts looks so differently. I felt like you were gassing Akainu way too much dude.

You probably weren't reading carefully then. This is not so much about Akainu as it's about WB's sickness, if WB was only old but healthy (lets say like Garp) then chances are he would be able to beat Akainu.

 

[BrillyMac]

I seriously don't know why this is even a question. Why the hell does anyone think whitebeard loses to akainu? What in the actual ****?!?! I don't get how you can make yourself believe that. Akainu has to ev your fave if you believe that. Akainu officially has a fan base here now. You guys have made it clear you will wank him to the end

 

[-Akuma-]

Lmfao Sengoku? Sengoku the man who hypes everyone and their mothers? If we made a list of the people Sengoku has hyped it wouldn't end. Ofcourse WB demands respect there is nothing wrong with that. Are we just gonna ignore all his feats and go with what hypemaster Sengoku has said, dude was yelling planet buster lmfao.

Sengoku has never hyped anyone to the degree he has hyped WB, Sengoku knows who is not strong or not. Just because he praised DD and Boa's status now he's completely unreliable? No Sengoku gives his opponents the respect they deserve, please tell when when has Sengoku massively hyped up a weakling? He said WB could of took out the Navy in that fight.

He has hyped Crocodile, Hancock among many others, lets not overlook feats for empty words now.

All of them for the most part deserving of that hype, they were Warlords, they don't get scrubs (bar Buggy) to be Warlords.

As for the second part LMAO I can't believe you are implying Admiral attacks don't cover MF HQ smh...... I genuinely don't have a reply for that other than severe underestimation. Although I don't think you are that dumb right now you are just reaching, we have not seen the epitome of Admiral attacks, just look at Fujitoras island lifting in Dressrosa, or Kuzan/Akainu permanently changing the climate of an island as a SIDE EFFECT of fighting, MF HQ is absolutely nothing to them if they wanted to destroy it.

Please show me any Admiral's attack or an Admiral himself fearing of destroying the HQ. We have seen the effects they can do after days on days of fighting, something they can't do in the short term. None of the Admiral's bar Fujitora has displayed regular attacks that cause destruction like WB. It was pretty much said WB has the most destructive power period, WB destroying the HQ potentially was a much bigger drawback than anything the Admirals had to worry about.

So I will say it again, Admirals were holding back their DC more than anyone. And I was not the first to use that point either, It was in response to the claim that apparently WB was holding back, manga clearly points at the opposite.

No they wasn't, WB clearly had the most DC in the verse period, while his target was right ahead of him as well where he was attacking. You are reaching for the ****ing stars.

 

[Itachi Minato]

I disagree with the heartattack part.. but thanks for giving your answer nonetheless.

Can you tell me why you disagree? Surely you don't think Akainu can't deal as much damage as Squardos stab. For the record I fanboy no character in OP I have no favourite. Akainu is getting seriously underrated here. An old, unhealthy WB cannot defeat an admiral or the admirals at the time are complete weaklings compared to WB in his prime. Let me ask the WB supporters what diff do you think WB at Marineford would lose against prime WB?

 

[Tarinth]

Can you tell me why you disagree? Surely you don't think Akainu can't deal as much damage as Squardos stab. For the record I fanboy no character in OP I have no favourite. Akainu is getting seriously underrated here. An old, unhealthy WB cannot defeat an admiral or the admirals at the time are complete weaklings compared to WB in his prime. Let me ask the WB supporters what diff do you think WB at Marineford would lose against prime WB?

Mid-diff tbh. In his prime, he could beat his sick version on the account of being stronger and having better reflexes. In any clash,
his old, sick version gets shoved back and injured and can never land a hit while Prime version might even land a few unblocked
ones. One heart attack shows up and Prime version kills his old self. Even without a heart attack, the prime version should win
promptly albeit using a lot of force hence the mid-diff.

 

[-Akuma-]

People are in denial at the possibility that a old man could be a top tier, guess Sengoku was freaking out for now reason huh......

 

[Bogard]

@ToshiZO the reason why Squardo's stab was more efficient was because WB was unprepared. The sneak attack caught him off-guard. In a fight against Akainu however, he'd be prepared, so even if he is defenseless, he could build up his body strength to endure attacks better and possibly even enhance it with armament shield or defense. Although you misunderstood my statement. I didn't say the damage was huge. It was just to say it wasn't as insignificant as some people like to claim especially in his state. It may have even be the trigger of his heart attack problems. Not saying he couldn't have had during a fight, but it may not have happen so fast and so often

Also, i never said that WB won't have heart attacks during fights. What i'm saying is that even with heart attacks, i see WB able to maneuvring his way to win due to his immense durability and the overall difference in their strength. He could even avoid lethal attacks if it comes down to it. What you forget is that WB only needs few hits at best to end Akainu when Akainu doesn't have that luxury. It's like Doflamingo-Law for example. Even with free shots, Law can't put him down because the difference in their level is that huge

In the war, he couldn't have afforded to go reckless because he had the entire marine to deal with, but in a 1 on 1 fight, nothing stops WB to buldoze through Akainu and at any point that WB would realize his heart problem could be an issue in the long run, he'd make sure to end the fight as soon as he gets the chance

 

[Punk Hazard]

@ToshiZO the reason why Squardo's stab was more efficient was because WB was unprepared. The sneak attack caught him off-guard. In a fight against Akainu however, he'd be prepared, so even if he is defenseless, he could build up his body strength to endure attacks better and possibly even enhance it with armament shield or defense. Although you misunderstood my statement. I didn't say the damage was huge. It was just to say it wasn't as insignificant as some people like to claim especially in his state. It may have even be the trigger of his heart attack problems. Not saying he couldn't have had during a fight, but it may not have happen so fast and so often

Also, i never said that WB won't have heart attacks during fights. What i'm saying is that even with heart attacks, i see WB able to maneuvring his way to win due to his immense durability and the overall difference in their strength. He could even avoid lethal attacks if it comes down to it. What you forget is that WB only needs few hits at best to end Akainu when Akainu doesn't have that luxury. It's like Doflamingo-Law for example. Even with free shots, Law can't put him down because the difference in their level is that huge

In the war, he couldn't have afforded to go reckless because he had the entire marine to deal with, but in a 1 on 1 fight, nothing stops WB to buldoze through Akainu and at any point that WB would realize his heart problem could be an issue in the long run, he'd make sure to end the fight as soon as he gets the chance

How does one build up their body strength? How does one make their flesh weaker than five minutes and then stronger five minutes ago? I assume you aren't talking about using Haki, since you said "build up body strength."

WB has shown that he has immense endurance, being able to fight through damage taken from Akainu blowing away his body parts, but that still means his body parts can be blown away. Akainu can strike areas like his knees or elbows, crippling him. No matter how much energy and stamina WB may have to fight through damage, that means nothing when the damage Akainu can give can remove limbs with one strike.