Over 1,000 muslim migrants in germany fight, rape and sexually assault on new year’s

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He's not justifying it. He's just saying Muslims aren't the only ones with dirt on them. The point is to not generalize.

The men who did the crime are scum regardless of faith.
Most probably, yes. Therefore, mass immigrantion from third-world countries to Europe should be stopped.
 

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Most probably, yes. Therefore, mass immigrantion from third-world countries to Europe should be stopped.

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Many third world countries are poor because of first world country involvement and now we're going to deny their people a chance to live good lives like us? #f***worldpeace
 

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Yes, only in Islamic culture are women seen as *** objects when there is such thing as porn in the west. Lets not also forget about TV commercials.

This comment screams of crap.

Lel what? So you compare the woman's free will to act in a porn with women being sexually harassed and raped? Having respect for a woman has nothing to do with her sexual ideals. You can and should respect a woman acting in porn like a woman not doing so. So I don't get your point punk. In Islamic countries, women are just like the man's livestock.
 

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It's a stretch for you to claim that my argument was made to "justify their actions". Did I say that? No. What I am getting at is that there is no reason in saying "Christians aren't doing that now" when Christians achieved first world status by doing the exact same thing. In my eyes it is hypocritical for us to say we're clean when we were just doing that yesterday.

I agree that there is a lack of respect for European law and obviously these men need to be brought to justice. I'm also pretty sure that when they are brought in that respect for the European law will be thoroughly established. Either way though, just as you said, we cannot use this act of 1,000 men to condemn a population of over 5 million refugees, which unfortunately some people on this thread are doing.

He's not justifying it. He's just saying Muslims aren't the only ones with dirt on them. The point is to not generalize.

The men who did the crime are scum regardless of faith.

This didn't happen just yesterday it was generations before us. The people nowadays aren't to blame for past mistakes.

This has nothing to do with the believes of those men, it's a cultural thing. Commiting such acts is normal too many eastern civilizations but they are in europe now, so adapt or gtfo. Those people don't only disobey law they also have 0 respect for humanity. Yet again I'm only talking about those 1000 people not about all the imigrants. Everyone who wants to live in europe and gives our culture respect can happily stay.
 

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So much ignorance in this thread, but not very surprising, most of the people here need to be educated on Islam.

Well, Islam stipulates that the Qu'ran is the rightful scripture sent from God, correct? Islam stipulates that it is built from the teachings of the Qu'ran.

Therefor, all one needs to do in order to understand Islam is to read the Qu'ran, correct? That's the point of the Qu'ran.

There's a funny thing about the concept of "law" within the Qu'ran. Islamic society is given certain rules that it must abide by. These things are to apply when muslims have established themselves as dominant within a region. That is where women become property and are 'protected' insofar as the property of another man is protected from theft or abuse by another man.

However, things are much less strict while in the lands of non-muslims. Non-muslims are not 'protected' until they are considered property, and they can't very well be property until Islam is dominant. These actions are entirely permissible as they are A) against pagan symbols and the free-standing states that are not Islamic, and B) serve to assert the authority of Islam over lands that are not subject to the authority of Islam.

I'm quite educated about Islam, its history, and its scripture.

Now - that may not be what you, personally, believe - but 'moderates' within Islam exist as useful idiots for those who are non-believers to project fantasies of Islam being a non-violent religion upon.
 

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This didn't happen just yesterday it was generations before us. The people nowadays aren't to blame for past mistakes.

This has nothing to do with the believes of those men, it's a cultural thing. Commiting such acts is normal too many eastern civilizations but they are in europe now, so adapt or gtfo. Those people don't only disobey law they also have 0 respect for humanity. Yet again I'm only talking about those 1000 people not about all the imigrants. Everyone who wants to live in europe and gives our culture respect can happily stay.

Bro seriously you're going in circles. First off I never said the modern people of today are to blame for past mistakes. Im saying it's hypocritical to look at a third world population and not expect this when Christians elevated themselves out of third world status by even worse actions.

You say it has nothing to do with beliefs but culture. Culture is a collection of beliefs. You're also saying that such actions are normal in their countries but then it only appleas to the 1,000 men. Wtf? You're totally generalizing a culture and then saying you're not.
 

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Many third world countries are poor because of first world country involvement and now we're going to deny their people a chance to live good lives like us? #f***worldpeace
Of course. Why should modern people pay for sins of their great-grandfathers? Like I said: no mass imigration. These people wont be able to assimilare to completely different culture. Immigration of small groups should be allowed.
 

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Bro seriously you're going in circles. First off I never said the modern people of today are to blame for past mistakes. Im saying it's hypocritical to look at a third world population and not expect this when Christians elevated themselves out of third world status by even worse actions.

You say it has nothing to do with beliefs but culture. Culture is a collection of beliefs. You're also saying that such actions are normal in their countries but then it only appleas to the 1,000 men. Wtf? You're totally generalizing a culture and then saying you're not.

It's not hypocritical since our generation has nothing to do with those past actions.

Rape doesn't have anything to do with beliefs, it's a cultural thing. I never said it only applies to those 1000 man I just took them as reference. Such mass assaults are a common thing in eastern civilisations that's fact. Those people are a minority but still a large enough amount to talk about don't you think?
 

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I live in Germany too, only an hour away from Cologne. This is not only very sad but also very frightening.
I don't feel save in my country anymore and don't even want to go out of my home, looking at what problems we all have with terrorists, criminal immigrants and other disgusting people. In the village where I live, maybe 100 meters away from my house, also live a lot of immigrants that came from syria and its surroundings. In the past months there were several, bloody knife-fights caused by them, the police is there 2-3 times every week. Is that what we get from giving these fugitive people a "safe" home?
Integration fails if it is uncontrolled and hasty, like it is done by Europe currently.

Look, I don't want to say that all immigrants are criminal or even terrorists, that is not true. And muslims are not the only ones who create a lot of problems, but you can't expect me to believe that these problems have nothing to do with unrestricted mass-immigration and the down-looking on islam from western people.
There has to be more control over everything. We can't just let everyone into our "healthy" countries without care and patience.

We gave those people a safe-haven from their wartorn countries and this is what we get back? Some of the people who come to europe just show no ****in respect for our culture. I'm not saying all of them are the same but 1000 people gathered just too assault women? wtf? Where's the respect?
You have a point, I agree.
 
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I live in germany too, only an hour away from Cologne. This is not only very sad but also very frightening.
I don't feel save in my country anymore and don't even want to go out of my home, looking at what problems we all have with terrorists, criminal immigrants and other disgusting people. In the village were I live, maybe 100 meters away from my house, are also a lot of immigrants that came from syria and its surroundings. In the past months there were several, bloody knife-fights caused by them, the police is there 2-3 times every week. Is that what we get from giving these fugitive people a "safe" home?
Integration fails if it is uncontrolled and hasty, like it is done by Europe currently.

Is it not ironic that a nation with the stones to start not one... but two world wars and venture to conquest the whole of Europe in retribution... would silently slip beneath the waves of political correctness?

As one of mostly German blood, I can't help but wonder what happened. Non-Germans in America have far more concern and a sense of urgency regarding the crisis in Germany than most Germans seem to, these days. It's curious.

Look, I don't want to say that all immigrants are criminal or even terrorists, that is not true. And muslims are not the only ones who create a lot of problems, but you can't expect me to believe that these problems have nothing to do with unrestricted mass-immigration and the down-looking on islam from western people.

Far more of them are complicit with your destruction and enslavement than are willing to not just stand against it - but kill to prevent it.

Particularly as a woman - I advise you to learn to fight and develop a taste for blood. The fate of women taken captive by muslims is -not- something I wish on any woman. I don't care what your political ideas are, or if you'd end up slitting my throat in my sleep at some later date. That would be better than you becoming a ward of the islamic state that has already taken root in your nation (and is spreading).

There has to be more control over everything. We can't just let everyone into our "healthy" countries without care and patience.

It's already a bit late for that.

You have tons of them in your borders who are claiming their breeding stock and popping out future jihadis. The question isn't how many to let in.

The question is how many of them you are going to have to kill in order to save your identity as anything other than Islam.
 

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Well, Islam stipulates that the Qu'ran is the rightful scripture sent from God, correct? Islam stipulates that it is built from the teachings of the Qu'ran.

Therefor, all one needs to do in order to understand Islam is to read the Qu'ran, correct? That's the point of the Qu'ran.

There's a funny thing about the concept of "law" within the Qu'ran. Islamic society is given certain rules that it must abide by. These things are to apply when muslims have established themselves as dominant within a region. That is where women become property and are 'protected' insofar as the property of another man is protected from theft or abuse by another man.

However, things are much less strict while in the lands of non-muslims. Non-muslims are not 'protected' until they are considered property, and they can't very well be property until Islam is dominant. These actions are entirely permissible as they are A) against pagan symbols and the free-standing states that are not Islamic, and B) serve to assert the authority of Islam over lands that are not subject to the authority of Islam.

I'm quite educated about Islam, its history, and its scripture.

Now - that may not be what you, personally, believe - but 'moderates' within Islam exist as useful idiots for those who are non-believers to project fantasies of Islam being a non-violent religion upon.
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If you start saying there are some Muslims out there that treat Women like crap then I agree with you there are some but when you start saying it's Islam then you clearly can't differentiate between Islam and Muslims.
 
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Then you are quite familiar with An-Nisa Ayah 34, then.

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Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Also, from An-Nisa, Ayah 50-56

Look how they invent about Allah untruth, and sufficient is that as a manifest sin.

Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, who believe in superstition and false objects of worship and say about the disbelievers, "These are better guided than the believers as to the way"?

Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper.

Or have they a share of dominion? Then [if that were so], they would not give the people [even as much as] the speck on a date seed.

Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them of His bounty? But we had already given the family of Abraham the Scripture and wisdom and conferred upon them a great kingdom.

And some among them believed in it, and some among them were averse to it. And sufficient is Hell as a blaze.

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.

Or Ayah 65 within the same?

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.

And 74-77 of the same?

So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.

Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

These are quite clear in separating muslim society from non-muslim society. When discussing the case of a muslim within another culture - the context of the discussion is war for the expansion of Islam.

If that isn't clear enough, it is further refined in 90-91

" Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization."


This is exactly what is going on in Germany.
 

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If you start saying there are some Muslims out there that treat Women like crap then I agree with you there are some but when you start saying it's Islam then you clearly can't differentiate between Islam and Muslims.

You're taking the bait brother. That's why people like me, Pumpkin Ninja, Shaz, etc don't get into religious debates.

This is exactly what is going on in Germany.

I know I shouldn't reply but I gotta point this out here it's tempting me. What about in Israel against Palestine or Iraq invasion? I get that you study stuff but at least know this!

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You're taking the bait brother. That's why people like me, Pumpkin Ninja, Shaz, etc don't get into religious debates.

*shrug*

Hear no evil, see no evil.

I'll continue to be correct and you'll continue to shut your eyes and plug your ears as they beat down your door.

I know I shouldn't reply but I gotta point this out here it's tempting me. What about in Israel against Palestine or Iraq invasion? I get that you study stuff but at least know this!

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11 Have you not considered those who practice hypocrisy, saying to their brothers who have disbelieved among the People of the Scripture, "If you are expelled, we will surely leave with you, and we will not obey, in regard to you, anyone - ever; and if you are fought, we will surely aid you." But Allah testifies that they are liars.

12 If they are expelled, they will not leave with them, and if they are fought, they will not aid them. And [even] if they should aid them, they will surely turn their backs; then [thereafter] they will not be aided.

13 You [believers] are more fearful within their breasts than Allah . That is because they are a people who do not understand.

14 They will not fight you all except within fortified cities or from behind walls. Their violence among themselves is severe. You think they are together, but their hearts are diverse. That is because they are a people who do not reason.

I'm not quite sure how this is supposed to do anything other than reinforce my point.

Societies of non-believers are considered to be irrelevant and fated to war among themselves. Islam is claimed by the Qu'ran to be the solution to this - peace will be obtained by subjecting all to the laws and authority of Islam - to "reason" as claimed by Ayah 14.

This section is a call to rally against non-believers and reinforces the observation made within Surat 4 (An-Nisa) that populations would divide among themselves in regards to the expansion of Islamic influence - and that it should be exploited.

The only way this would appear to apply to events regarding palestine is if you're stupid and don't know history.
 

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here's a cheat-sheet:
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

I'm not going to bother to answer these so I'm just gonna link you the answers.



Also, from An-Nisa, Ayah 50-56

Look how they invent about Allah untruth, and sufficient is that as a manifest sin.

Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, who believe in superstition and false objects of worship and say about the disbelievers, "These are better guided than the believers as to the way"?

Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper.

Or have they a share of dominion? Then [if that were so], they would not give the people [even as much as] the speck on a date seed.

Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them of His bounty? But we had already given the family of Abraham the Scripture and wisdom and conferred upon them a great kingdom.

And some among them believed in it, and some among them were averse to it. And sufficient is Hell as a blaze.

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.

This quote makes zero sense in the context you're putting it.

Or Ayah 65 within the same?

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.

Just like the Previous one

And 74-77 of the same?

So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.

Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

If that isn't clear enough, it is further refined in 90-91

" Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization."



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I don't want people to accuse me (again) of being a 'rape apologist', so let me say that without trying to justify the actions of these people or belittling the gravity of the fear of women attacked...only one case reported fit the legal definition of rape, so let's not exaggerate. Also let's not generalize (I'm not saying OP did or anyone else specifically, just in general let's not generalize [no pun intended]), Germany last year alone took in some 1 million migrants/refugees, so let's not make assumptions about the cultures of the 999 000 based on the actions of a 1000. Notwithstanding that this is not the only time when horny young men from abroad committed sexual crimes. But to blame it on islam is stupid. Drinking alcohol is against islam, touching non-mahram women is against islam, men and women can't even shake hands or talk unnecessarily. The Quran tells both men and women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts outside marriage.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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Yeah this also happened in my hometown, these guys are just despicable human beings. Hopefully they get the punishment they deserve. Weirdly enough, I only learned about this from non-german news articles.

Dat censorship tho.
 

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Most probably, yes. Therefore, mass immigrantion from third-world countries to Europe should be stopped.
It should definitely have more regulations. They should take families, instead of a bunch of horny douches in their 20s. They just think those punks will help the economy.

I don't want people to accuse me (again) of being a 'rape apologist', so let me say that without trying to justify the actions of these people or belittling the gravity of the fear of women attacked...only one case reported fit the legal definition of rape, so let's not exaggerate. Also let's not generalize (I'm not saying OP did or anyone else specifically, just in general let's not generalize [no pun intended]), Germany last year alone took in some 1 million migrants/refugees, so let's not make assumptions about the cultures of the 999 000 based on the actions of a 1000. Notwithstanding that this is not the only time when horny young men from abroad committed sexual crimes. But to blame it on islam is stupid. Drinking alcohol is against islam, touching non-mahram women is against islam, men and women can't even shake hands or talk unnecessarily. The Quran tells both men and women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts outside marriage.

Just my 2 cents.
I mentioned that Muslims aren't even allowed to drink alcohol. That post was ignored. This post definitely deserves more attention.

And to the people saying this is BS. The things Kobak said about Islam are stressed in Mosques, it's not some little thing that you skim across in the Quran, it's stressed. No drinking, you can't touch girls who are not your relatives, or you're married to. And men shouldn't be checking out other girls, let alone groping them.

Then you are quite familiar with An-Nisa Ayah 34, then.

here's a cheat-sheet:
Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.

Also, from An-Nisa, Ayah 50-56

Look how they invent about Allah untruth, and sufficient is that as a manifest sin.

Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, who believe in superstition and false objects of worship and say about the disbelievers, "These are better guided than the believers as to the way"?

Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper.

Or have they a share of dominion? Then [if that were so], they would not give the people [even as much as] the speck on a date seed.

Or do they envy people for what Allah has given them of His bounty? But we had already given the family of Abraham the Scripture and wisdom and conferred upon them a great kingdom.

And some among them believed in it, and some among them were averse to it. And sufficient is Hell as a blaze.

Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise.

Or Ayah 65 within the same?

But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.

And 74-77 of the same?

So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward.

And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?"

Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak.

Have you not seen those who were told, "Restrain your hands [from fighting] and establish prayer and give zakah"? But then when fighting was ordained for them, at once a party of them feared men as they fear Allah or with [even] greater fear. They said, "Our Lord, why have You decreed upon us fighting? If only You had postponed [it for] us for a short time." Say, The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is better for he who fears Allah . And injustice will not be done to you, [even] as much as a thread [inside a date seed]."

These are quite clear in separating muslim society from non-muslim society. When discussing the case of a muslim within another culture - the context of the discussion is war for the expansion of Islam.

If that isn't clear enough, it is further refined in 90-91

" Except for those who take refuge with a people between yourselves and whom is a treaty or those who come to you, their hearts strained at [the prospect of] fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had willed, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So if they remove themselves from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not made for you a cause [for fighting] against them.

You will find others who wish to obtain security from you and [to] obtain security from their people. Every time they are returned to [the influence of] disbelief, they fall back into it. So if they do not withdraw from you or offer you peace or restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wherever you overtake them. And those - We have made for you against them a clear authorization."


This is exactly what is going on in Germany.
Definitely, the young immigrants all read this, then conclude that they must party on new years, drink, and assault women. Nothing gets passed you, lol.
 
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Your way of thinking is very toxic and only makes things worse.
Do you want a global war again? Weren't two of them, as well as the bloody past of humans been enough? Calling the tendency to violence "self-defense" is not right.

But I do agree with you that it is a bit too late to control everything. I hate how our politicians ignored the refugee-problems years ago and now they are swamped by it. Countless of refugees are now in eurpoean countries without registration and not all of them are sweet-tempered. Because of that, there have to be limitations and every country in Europe has to work hand in hand with each other. But they don't. Some of them just refuse to help completely and that is a big problem too.

Another thought that bothers me a lot.
After the latest terror-attacks in France, why isn't much more police (or even military) around, especially on a day like New Year's Eve? There was even a serious terror-warning for Munich as well. I've read that there was a police-force in Cologne which divided the ~1000 people in several smaller groups, but how could it still escalate afterwards??
 

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This world is pretty nasty.
 
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