Hashi rinnegan or Madz rinnegan?

[UltraPain]

Ok so we've seen how strong Madara was with the rinnegan and stolen SM, but what if Hashi had stolen rinnegan along with his SM? Who would be stronger?

 

[Warlocks]

Hashi

 

[Gerkak]

Hashirama

 

[Amazeballs]

Probably Hashi, since I believe that, due to possessing stronger base chakra reserves, Hashi would still have the more potent Sage Mode. I don't think that simply transplanting a Hashi face onto his chest gave Madara chakra reserves on par with the real Hashirama, so Madara's Sage Mode didn't contain as much Natural Energy.

However, it's unclear to what extent Madara's Uchiha chakra enhanced his use of the Rinnegan; Nagato, another Uzumaki/Senju type, was vastly inferior with his use of the Rinnegan, as he couldn't perform Limbo or use any Sharingan powers (including Susano'o). If Hashirama, likewise, could not use the full power of the Rinnegan, then I'd say that Madara (with Hashirama cells and Sage Mode) is the strongest combination of their powers.

 

[Pyro NB]

Hashi

 

[Nick01]

Hashi.

 

[Dantee]

Bruh Madara was so nerfed with the Rinnegan since being alive w.the rinnegan makes you stronger.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Hashirama wouldn't be able to use the rinnegan.

 

[Gerkak]

Hashirama wouldn't be able to use the rinnegan.

Why not?

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Why not?

Hashirama has a better chance of using the rinnegan as much as Naruto does.
He doesn't have the knowledge and the spiritual energy to use the rinnegan like all the other previous users. Nagato did years of training and summoning the Outerpath nearly killed him.
Ashura's aren't really cut out to use Ocular power like that, it's like getting Sasuke Six path sagemode.

 

[Gerkak]

Hashirama has a better chance of using the rinnegan as much as Naruto does.
He doesn't have the knowledge and the spiritual energy to use the rinnegan like all the other previous users. Nagato did years of training and summoning the Outerpath nearly killed him.
Ashura's aren't really cut out to use Ocular power like that, it's like getting Sasuke Six path sagemode.

Rinnegan is ashura(body)+indra(eye) power. Madara could use it to its full potential even when he was originally only half of the power. Hashirama who represents the other half should be able to use it just as well.

Madara used six paths senjutsu well too, if though he is an indra not ashura, Hashirama would have no problem using rinnegan

 

[KidGamer65]

Hashirama would be stronger since hes stronger than Madara pre buff. SM doesnt push PS to a level where it can match SS and their Rinnegan techs would cancel each other out.

 

[arv993]

Madara had the advantage of sharingan being able to copy techs except he needed the kkg which he had. Hashi doesn't have that luxury so he might need more training than Madara which makes him weaker.

 

[DominiqueX]

Hashirama is not a doujutsu-type.
Nagato had his entire life, like 30-40 years?, to train with the Rinnegan and still was very weak compared to Madara and Sasuke. Madara, as an Uchiha, is a doujutsu-type AND the original user of his Rinnegan which is very important for doujutsu-users. So without doubt, Madara Rinnegan > Hashirama Rinnegan.

 

[Angelic.]

hashi wouldnt be able to use limbo so idk hashi

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Rinnegan is ashura(body)+indra(eye) power. Madara could use it to its full potential even when he was originally only half of the power. Hashirama who represents the other half should be able to use it just as well.

No, Ashura's body is senjutsu. Ashura's chakra is what is needed to turn Indra's chakra into Hagormoo's chakra. Indra's incarnate with Hagormoo's chakra can awaken the rinnegan. That's how it works. Hashirama lacks the ability to use an ocular power such as the rinnegan.
Do you believe that someone like Naruto can wield the power of the rinnegan? Because saying that Hashirama has that kind of potential is saying the same thing.

Madara used six paths senjutsu well too, if though he is an indra not ashura, Hashirama would have no problem using rinnegan

Madara needed to become juubi jinchuuriki in order to gain rikudou senjustu. That's different from naruto who doesn't need a juubi.
It doesn't make sense for an Ashura incarnate to use the power of an Indra incarnate as much as an Indra incarnate to use the master the power of an Ashura incarnate. Ocular doujustus are very taxing on the spiritual energy of the user, these are attributes that Ashura ans hi incarnates lack.

Hashirama is not a doujutsu-type.
Nagato had his entire life, like 30-40 years?, to train with the Rinnegan and still was very weak compared to Madara and Sasuke. Madara, as an Uchiha, is a doujutsu-type AND the original user of his Rinnegan which is very important for doujutsu-users. So without doubt, Madara Rinnegan > Hashirama Rinnegan.

This exactly.

 

[V h o]

Hashi would be stronger

 

[iFlowMotion]

Depends on, if hashi knows how to use rinnegan. If hashi has a year or more experience sure but if not im taking maddy

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

No, Ashura's body is senjutsu. Ashura's chakra is what is needed to turn Indra's chakra into Hagormoo's chakra. Indra's incarnate with Hagormoo's chakra can awaken the rinnegan. That's how it works. Hashirama lacks the ability to use an ocular power such as the rinnegan.
Do you believe that someone like Naruto can wield the power of the rinnegan? Because saying that Hashirama has that kind of potential is saying the same thing.



Madara needed to become juubi jinchuuriki in order to gain rikudou senjustu. That's different from naruto who doesn't need a juubi.
It doesn't make sense for an Ashura incarnate to use the power of an Indra incarnate as much as an Indra incarnate to use the master the power of an Ashura incarnate. Ocular doujustus are very taxing on the spiritual energy of the user, these are attributes that Ashura ans hi incarnates lack.




This exactly.

asura's power isnt senjutsu....you made that up...
in fact no where does it say that indra's incarnates alone can wield the rinnegan...
nagato was living proof of that...he was of asura's bloodline yet used the rinnegan just fine...
if anything would support hashirama's inferiority when it came to wielding the rinnegan would be EXPERIENCE

 

[Ripple Hole]

Hashi would be stronger without a doubt.

Not sure why members are bringing up Nagato though, he wasn't the original owner,
even Obito was being taxed by the Rennegan, to the point he said he could only use one,
regardless of the fact that he was both an Uchiha and had Hashi cells.