[VS] Whitebeard vs Akainu

[ssjelf]

This a faulty premise. Akainu was a disadvantage because of a very particular set of circumstances only that happened due to events of the manga. Those events aren't there during a 1 vs 1 match-up, so that disadvantage would also not be present. Meaning, it's not a viable argument.

Otherwise, if someone asked me who would win between Luffy and Caesar, I could link where Caesar got the drop on Luffy and say "Here, Luffy was put in a disadvantage. Luffy loses because in this particular set of circumstances, Caesar could have killed Luffy."


It wasn't caused by Squardo whatsoever. Yes, the fight would have been delayed further, but the premise of Akainu suffering injuries and WB not suffering is also faulty because prior to WB's heart attack, Akainu was slugging it out with him completely evenly. If Akainu would have taken on injuries, WB would have also.



I am not discrediting anything. You're saying that if the fight had continued between Akainu and WB, the second one, Akainu would have lost and WB would have won. This would mean that Akainu is inferior to Teach and his cronies and that the WB commanders and dozens of pirates are also inferior to Teach and his cronies, which is a premise that makes zero sense to me.

No akainu was at a disadvantage because he was knocked into a hole in the ground, had the ground been there he would been stunned right there instead and WB would have continued to engage akainu instead of going to fight teach, his primary target.

that completely evenly would eventually shift in a direction of some sort, even if WB had another heart attack akainu would not have been able to slow him down with his attack. Whitebeard was shown to be able to tank akainu's attacks, the reverse is not true.

Yes akainu would have lost because he was at a huge disadvantage. BB and crew only barely beat WB because they were fresh and weren't stunned. At that very moment BB and crew probably could have taken advantage of akainus situation if they were swapped for WB and beaten him (if akainu was able to be hit by them) because he was stunned and falling into a plot induced hole in the ground. The only reason akainu might win in that situation vs BB is because he is logia, that doesnt apply to WB vs akainu,

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Whitebeard outclasses Akainu, Whitebeard had altercations with all 3 admirals while near death.
One v One he beats the breaks off of Akainu. I respect the Lava guy but he gets destroyed.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Prime WB beats Akainu extreme diff.

Akainu beats Old WB high diff. Heart attacks is a b!tch.

 

[ssjelf]

Prime WB beats Akainu extreme diff.

Akainu beats Old WB high diff. Heart attacks is a b!tch.

Except WB had a heart attack in front of akainu and akainu failed to defeat him.

 

[ToshiZO]

Akainu wins the fight no doubt about it. Almost a 0% chance he loses this fight. The difficulty depends on when WB gets a heart attack.

Except WB had a heart attack in front of akainu and akainu failed to defeat him.

Mhm plot, Akainu got one attack in, and then for some reason sat back and let fodder Marines attack WB.

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The fact that even fodder could get to WB means Akainu had more than enough time to put another hole or two in WB. If WB does not die from that than at the least the rest of the fight would be downhill for him from there.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Akainu wins the fight no doubt about it. Almost a 0% chance he loses this fight. The difficulty depends on when WB gets a heart attack.

Why would Oda even bother naming Whitebeard the World's Strongest Man if that actually wasn't true anymore?

 

[ToshiZO]

Why would Oda even bother naming Whitebeard the World's Strongest Man if that actually wasn't true anymore?

The entire purpose of the war was the fact that WB was no longer the WSM and his era was over, how about reading the actual story Oda is writing vs blindly looking at a title without looking at the logic behind the title.

When did WB gain his title? It sure as hell was not at MF. Do titles last forever? No they don't. He was tested at MF we saw his feats, he was not up to snuff, in other words he deteriorated enough to be vulnerable to other top tiers AKA no longer the undisputed WSM. Each and every Admiral from MF would beat WB at that point in time.

 

[LBeezy]

SSelf says that Akainu would have lost to Whitebeard at the moment he was jumped during their second clash. This would mean Akainu lacks the ability to do something Teach and his cronies did, which was kill Whitebeard. This would mean Akainu is inferior to Teach and company. Akainu clashed with dozens of pirates and the WB commanders, and left without significant or further injury, indicating that Akainu was at least equal to them if not superior. If Akainu was inferior to Teach, as the previous premise dictates, then this would also mean the WB company that clashed with him is also inferior to Teach and company. Which I don't agree with.

Bro, no offense, but you said that... and then right after, literally in that same post, you said this...

People say WB whooped Akainu's ass but that's only because Akainu was jumped. We've seen that when a character is jumped and caught off-guard, even people weaker than them can deal great damage. Caesar incapacitated Luffy via jumping him. Yeti Cool Bros. incapacitated Zoro via jumping him. Hell, the entire premise of Law's attack pattern against Doffy was misleading him in order to jump him with surprise attacks because he knew was too weak to hit him head on.

The point is, jumping someone can yield results that wouldn't be accomplished by a head-on assault. And the same can be applied to Whitebeard: Just because WB was able to whoop Akainu when he jumped him doesn't mean that the same results would have happened if it was a head-on assault from either men.

You see what I'm pointing out?

Just because BB and crew was able to kill WB when they jumped him, doesn't mean that the same results would have happened if it was a head-on assault from either men.

I mean literally your whole second quote stands up for Akainu, but the EXACT SAME things can be said to stand up for WB.. you just choose not to.. and that's not right. That logic has to be applied to both bro.

 

[ssjelf]

Akainu wins the fight no doubt about it. Almost a 0% chance he loses this fight. The difficulty depends on when WB gets a heart attack.



Mhm plot, Akainu got one attack in, and then for some reason sat back and let fodder Marines attack WB.

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The fact that even fodder could get to WB means Akainu had more than enough time to put another hole or two in WB. If WB does not die from that than at the least the rest of the fight would be downhill for him from there.

A dozen sword stabs or more is analogous to a lava punch, you are probably more likely to survive a lava punch tbh because it would cauterize the wounds. In any case even all that damage and he still didnt go down. That was their chance to take him down and they couldnt. Akainu did get another lava punch in later but that still didnt stop WB. A heart attack isnt enough to put him down no matter his opponent.

Bro, no offense, but you said that... and then right after, literally in that same post, you said this...



You see what I'm pointing out?

Just because BB and crew was able to kill WB when they jumped him, doesn't mean that the same results would have happened if it was a head-on assault from either men.

I mean literally your whole second quote stands up for Akainu, but the EXACT SAME things can be said to stand up for WB.. you just choose not to.. and that's not right. That logic has to be applied to both bro.

It also not even just that, akainu was stunned (just like WB having a heart attack he was paralyzed and falling into a pit) by WB making him weaker than BB, sure akainu was jumped, but replace akainu with BB et al. and BB also loses.

Riker fails to see the difference in the two situations. WB left a fight and joined an entirely different scenario. Replace BB scenario with akainu instead of BB and crew and WB would lose again. The scenarios are different leading to different results. In scenario 1 WB "jumping" Akainu, WB wins against anyone except fresh yonkou. In scenario 2 man to man fight with BB, WB loses to anyone of BB et al. level.

 

[arv993]

Admiral fanboys at best lol at u riker and the guy who thinks its 0% chance of WB winning. When u can't one shot a guy who has heart attacks in front of u and took the most brutal attacks by many ppl such as sword impaling ur chest and still look even and goes on to fight other ppl how is akainu better in a fresh battle. Pls the logic these kids have is beyond me. Basically the argument is let's put all logic and portrayal and Odas own words and let's just say admirals> anything. Wank is unreal

 

[ToshiZO]

A dozen sword stabs or more is analogous to a lava punch, you are probably more likely to survive a lava punch tbh because it would cauterize the wounds. In any case even all that damage and he still didnt go down. That was their chance to take him down and they couldnt. Akainu did get another lava punch in later but that still didnt stop WB. A heart attack isnt enough to put him down no matter his opponent.

Lmao the very fact that a bunch of fodder could hurt WB to that extent just shows you how weak he had gotten. Akainu was held back by plot, a dozen sword stabs in not even close to getting your head cleaved off or getting your internals burnt inside out which Akainu could have done then and there, he would have given WB 2-3 severe wounds or even completely took his head off with nothing remaining right here.

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Good luck winning the battle from here on out with either no head or 3 huge holes that completely burnt your organs inside.

Plot is the only reason WB was even allowed to fight for that long. If Akainu or any other Admiral had concentrated on WB he would have been stopped then and there.

And no dont even bring up the cheapshot that an enraged WB had to land to finally do something to an Admiral.

1.Ace did not just die infront of WB in this scenario
2.WB will not get a complete cheapshot opening in this scenario.

Fact of the matter was even a healthier WB did not manage to get past Akainu's defense, so an extremely injured WB obviously won't be able to under normal circumstances (no cheapshot no Ace death).

 

[ssjelf]

Lmao the very fact that a bunch of fodder could hurt WB to that extent just shows you how weak he had gotten. Akainu was held back by plot, a dozen sword stabs in not even close to getting your head cleaved off or getting your internals burnt inside out which Akainu could have done then and there, he would have given WB 2-3 severe wounds or even completely took his head off with nothing remaining right here.

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Good luck winning the battle from here on out with either no head or 3 huge holes that completely burnt your organs inside.

Plot is the only reason WB was even allowed to fight for that long. If Akainu or any other Admiral had concentrated on WB he would have been stopped then and there.

And no dont even bring up the cheapshot that an enraged WB had to land to finally do something to an Admiral.

1.Ace did not just die infront of WB in this scenario
2.WB will not get a complete cheapshot opening in this scenario.

Fact of the matter was even a healthier WB did not manage to get past Akainu's defense, so an extremely injured WB obviously won't be able to under normal circumstances (no cheapshot no Ace death).

If akainu wasnt trying to kill WB at that moment he wasnt doing his job, he doesnt seem the type to not do his job. He tried to kil WB and failed, the marines tried to do so and failed, akainu tried again and failed again. That is all there is to this. Dont bring plot into this. That is a low and cheap argument in this situation.

WB's stamina was an issue so every fight he had against someone else like aokiji, perhaps every attack on someone else put him that much closer to having a heart attack, in one instance WB couldnt get past his defense b4 having a heart attack, we dont know if that is true when he has more time.

 

[ToshiZO]

Lol you ran out of arguments? Thought so because there are zero real arguments coming from WB's side. You can sit back and rely on personality or whatever you wish to do. But anyone can tell Oda let WB get away with only 1 hit and not a headshot at that.

1.He should have aimed for his head in the first strike, which he could have done, we saw him do it later.
2. Sengoku for some reason orders a bunch of fodder to attack WB and Akainu stepped back, FACT.

Simple as that.

@Uzumaki Macho

I remembered I posted a summary of Akainu vs WB before, so I went to look for it and not surprising at all what I was replying to in that post was the exact same question you asked me in this thread. And you had no answer for my post back then, so you think you will have one now lol?

Here it is. And this goes for anyone else trying to argue for WB, don't quote me unless you have legit counters to this. I'm not gonna sit here and listen to people constantly whining about a title they don't even properly understand.

Whats wrong with him being introduced as the Worlds Strongest Man? Since at one point he was and until you fight him for it and beat him his title remains.

A title is only truly valid if it is being tested. The test was the War and Oda clearly showed Wb was no longer the man who had received that title.

In a 1v1 WB doesn't even have a 5% chance to take down the likes of Akainu. And I'll explain why.
This is to everyone else as well who thinks WB could have beaten Shanks, Akainu, or the other Admirals.

1. Many people bring up the stab wound he got as the reason he was so weakened BUT its the very fact that someone of that caliber could give WB that stab wound is what makes him weak. Crocodile said

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Marco immediately

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. Notice two things with Marco's statement. People always complain about Squards attack being a cheapshot but Oda doesn't allow that to be used as an excuse, the other thing look at the emphasis on the life support WB was on. WB had to be under constant medical care on his ship as soon as he takes those off his health is in jeopardy

2. Whitebeard not once could damage an Admiral during the war (with an exception I'll get into later). VS

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Not once was he shown superior to an Admiral.

It took Ace's death AND a complete

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for WB to damage an Admiral and despite all this Akainu took half his head arguably dealing just as much lasting damage as he received from WB. WB had to be in Rage mode AND needed a cheapshot.

3. WB could not handle battling a top tier for too long at his condition. This is the most important one and it absolutely can't be argued.

In the middle of his battle with Akainu WB suffers a

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notice what Akainu says (once again Oda letting us know his era is over).

This is what Marco had to

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once again building up from his thoughts last time when he got stabbed. Meaning Marco clearly knew WB would eventually succumb to this whilst fighting.

NOW WB is wiiide open for an

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against a top tier, this was in a way plot shield Akainu could have gone for the head if he wanted but that wouldn't work for the plot.

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, Sengoku is telling fodders to attack WB and even they are able to damage him, IMAGINE what Akainu could have done during this time ATLEAST one more magma punch could have been givin to WB during this time.

SO whether or not you think Akainu could have ended WB then and there, WB even if he would have survived would have been in a downward struggle losing battle as he already has massive damage taken while Akainu has nothing.


There is no way in hell WB could have taken on any one on Akainu's level with his ongoing problems, do you realize how long top tiers can fight against each other

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? You think WB wouldn't suffer some sort of health related issue during a battle with Shanks or Akainu/other Admirals? That is a joke if I've ever heard one.

Like I said WB Cannot beat Shanks, Akainu, Kizaru or Kuzan at that stage of the story. Its right there smack dab for us to take in but most of you can't get past the title and see what Oda was trying to show with the whole Start of a new Era parallel.

 

[ssjelf]

Lol you ran out of arguments? Thought so because there are zero real arguments coming from WB's side. You can sit back and rely on personality or whatever you wish to do. But anyone can tell Oda let WB get away with only 1 hit and not a headshot at that.

1.He should have aimed for his head in the first strike, which he could have done, we saw him do it later.
2. Sengoku for some reason orders a bunch of fodder to attack WB and Akainu stepped back, FACT.

Simple as that.

@Uzumaki Macho

I remembered I posted a summary of Akainu vs WB before, so I went to look for it and not surprising at all what I was replying to in that post was the exact same question you asked me in this thread. And you had no answer for my post back then, so you think you will have one now lol?

Here it is. And this goes for anyone else trying to argue for WB, don't quote me unless you have legit counters to this. I'm not gonna sit here and listen to people constantly whining about a title they don't even properly understand.

You are the one using plot as an argument, that tells me you have run out of arguments. I already stated them I didnt see the need to restate them. The way I see it the first attack WB got on akainu was a sneak attack, but the next was completely fair game and even came after all those previous injuries he dodged the potential killing blow and put akainu is a vunerable state, vunerable enoguh to be killed.

My argument hinges on how long WB would last before having a heart attack. If you subtract all those other injuries and fights he could last awhile longer and that imo is enough time to do the same thing as he did in the second fight and then finish off akainu. The second part is that I do not believe akainu could finish off WB even if he had a heart attack because there is nothing that would make akainu go for the head right off because he didnt right off in the first place when given the chance. You can call plot all you want but we have a direct situation in the story that contradicts that logic.

 

[ToshiZO]

You are the one using plot as an argument, that tells me you have run out of arguments. I already stated them I didnt see the need to restate them. The way I see it the first attack WB got on akainu was a sneak attack, but the next was completely fair game and even came after all those previous injuries he dodged the potential killing blow and put akainu is a vunerable state, vunerable enoguh to be killed.

My argument hinges on how long WB would last before having a heart attack. If you subtract all those other injuries and fights he could last awhile longer and that imo is enough time to do the same thing as he did in the second fight and then finish off akainu. The second part is that I do not believe akainu could finish off WB even if he had a heart attack because there is nothing that would make akainu go for the head right off because he didnt right off in the first place when given the chance. You can call plot all you want but we have a direct situation in the story that contradicts that logic.

No we don't this is vs thread on a forum, we ignore PIS and CIS, unless the OP says those are included.

And don't quote me please, until you bring a real argument.

 

[Relostar Devil]

Oyaji wins!!!!!!!!

 

[Vandenre1ch]

1-Marineford was about the end of an era
2-WB's deteriorated health was brought up multiple times
3-WB couldn't stop an attack from Squadro and that was pointed out
4-WB himself said that his epithets are nothing more than titles and that he can't be the strongest forever
5-WB and Akainu stalemated each other
6-Akainu was never at full strength as he never used DF awakening
7-WB gets heart attacks one lasted long enough for Akainu to punch a hole in chest and for Sengoku to give the order for fodder marines to land hits on WB. Akainu could've done WAY more damage in that moment.
8-WB needed to be saved from Aokiji
9-WB was outclassed by Kizaru
10-Akainu shrugged off 2 gura punches from WB and went off to decimate WB's crew and even Marco was powerless against him.

People actually think a half-dead WB could kill a fresh Akainu.....

 

[xanonymosx]

if wb gets some heart attack during the fight akainu will have a chance to win or push him to extremes
healthy old beard beats akainu with some troubles but he wont be pushed to his limits
primebeard wrecks akainu .

 

[-Akuma-]

WB who was old and sick was WSM, you're playing yourself if you think Akainu wins.

 

[ssjelf]

No we don't this is vs thread on a forum, we ignore PIS and CIS, unless the OP says those are included.

And don't quote me please, until you bring a real argument.

That only works on one part of my argument, the second... Ill quote you when I reply to you, not based on what you want.