[Discussion] Robots stealing jobs?

Donald J Trump

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As time passes, the less jobs there seem to be available. 5 years ago all the shopping at TESCO was done with a human at a till, now this has been replaced with more than half self service tills.

Factories, Libraries and Construction sites. Slowly but surely there are less and less jobs available in these fields .

What happens when the unqualified people in seek of simple physical labor jobs are no longer needed?

I rarley see people taking about this. 150 years ago horses were irriplacable, now cars dominate and we never even see horses on the street.

Are Riots and wars imminent?
 

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I figure that the robots replacing the low-skill jobs will become a temporary problem. There were jobs in the distant past consisting of labors we wouldn't think about needing to do, such as being a mortar mixer. Now we have jobs after that called "mortar mixer factory worker" or "mortar mixer truck driver". So what I'm getting at is, we're going to get new jobs while autonomous workers deal with the low-skill jobs. More and more citizens are taking on complex work dealing with math and science. We need the engineers to construct these robots doing the low-skill labors for us.
 

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I used to call TheMist a robot...he's doing a fine job stealing jobs.
 

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trumps gonna make the robots leave :p
 

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Blame it on the Synths.
 

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What happens when the unqualified people in seek of simple physical labor jobs are no longer needed?

We (re)train them. We're not yet at the stage of truly autonomous robotics so there is still a dependency on people. Rather than machines taking the jobs they will be more along the lines of tools, like a jackhammer to a concrete worker. It may result in less manual labour jobs because now the work of five people can be matched by a single worker equipped with his tools, but then there is an increased demand for maintenance workers. It's unlikely to be an even balance of jobs lost versus jobs gained, so I suppose production would have to expand to create more openings.

Or we could just follow WALL-E's lead and become redundant in the workforce.
 

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And the Institute.
 

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True, but robots need to be designed, built, maintained, and repaired.

That sounds like more of both professional and lower skilled jobs.
 

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You didn't really give a rational reason to why their would be riots. This is the dream most Americans want. The dream is for robots to complete most tasks for us. That way Humans can focus on more important things and live better and longer lives. I find nothing wrong with it. Not many people live in the past anyways except for 3rd world countries.

Jobs will obviously be stolen by robots but that's okay because by the time we have robots we will have things like interstellar travel etc. And humans can work on that stuff. If not, well I have no idea. Maybe there won't be a need for work. Population control is an issue so maybe our numbers would need to be lowered so riots don't happen. Then again, you don't really have to live in a place with robots. Go to some random island if you don't like it.
 

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Haha I saw those automated things too at Tesco whenever I visited the UK. In other locations they still have employees filling your frocery bags for you. Which is alien to is Dutch.
 

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It's a problem, but these robots still need someone to keep them in check, atleast for now. Still sorry for the people who do the lowest-level job that got kicked out.
 

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That's why you need to vote for Trump, for more robots!
 

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As time passes, the less jobs there seem to be available. 5 years ago all the shopping at TESCO was done with a human at a till, now this has been replaced with more than half self service tills.

Factories, Libraries and Construction sites. Slowly but surely there are less and less jobs available in these fields .

What happens when the unqualified people in seek of simple physical labor jobs are no longer needed?

I rarley see people taking about this. 150 years ago horses were irriplacable, now cars dominate and we never even see horses on the street.

Are Riots and wars imminent?
Physical labor isn't the only thing robots will take care of. Most brain labor will also lose demand.
 
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I've seen those not just in Tesco but in smaller grocery stores like Cooperative Food. Fast foodplaces like Maxi in sweden have those aswell where you can pick your order digitally instead of speaking to the cashier.
 

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I figure that the robots replacing the low-skill jobs will become a temporary problem. There were jobs in the distant past consisting of labors we wouldn't think about needing to do, such as being a mortar mixer. Now we have jobs after that called "mortar mixer factory worker" or "mortar mixer truck driver". So what I'm getting at is, we're going to get new jobs while autonomous workers deal with the low-skill jobs. More and more citizens are taking on complex work dealing with math and science. We need the engineers to construct these robots doing the low-skill labors for us.

The average joe (the people that are currently in the low-skill labor jobs that are getting replaced) does not have the skills or the intelligence to become an engineer, work with science or math. and the robots will eventually be prodused and constructed by robots themselves.

We (re)train them. We're not yet at the stage of truly autonomous robotics so there is still a dependency on people.

not all of these people can be retrained, and even if they could 2013 was the last year where whenever a new technologi was invented it would always result in more jobs, 2014 was the year when the net sum of jobs decreased it decreased because the demands of the labor no longer was there.

Rather than machines taking the jobs they will be more along the lines of tools, like a jackhammer to a concrete worker. It may result in less manual labour jobs because now the work of five people can be matched by a single worker equipped with his tools, but then there is an increased demand for maintenance workers.

While it's true that the demand of maintenance works have increased it however does not increase to such an extent where the people that lost the jobs could be re-trained to do the maintance work, overall the workforce needed to produce the product have decreased.

It's unlikely to be an even balance of jobs lost versus jobs gained, so I suppose production would have to expand to create more openings.

it would, however it's not going to, there is simply not a need for the production to increase (suplie and demand) and when less and less people have jobs to support themselves less and less products will be needed to be made sins people can no longer affort them.
 

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their will be a day when humans won't have to work, thanks to the machines
 

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The average joe (the people that are currently in the low-skill labor jobs that are getting replaced) does not have the skills or the intelligence to become an engineer, work with science or math.
I'm not suggesting that we retrain a mass population of labourers to become engineers, that would be infeasible. Taking the example of an automated self-checkout at a supermarket; rather than retrain a checkout worker to become an engineer capable of designing new self-checkout machines we instead modified their original job and retrained them specifically for that. In my country we typically have 1-2 employees per set of 5-10 machines. Their new job is to supervise the customers using them, giving assistance and preventing theft.


not all of these people can be retrained
It should be getting easier to retrain people since we're getting better at designing products. Courses on product design typically introduce affordances, mapping, feedback, and constraints. These all focus on an intuitive and easy to use product. The same can be applied to designing easy to maintain machines.


and the robots will eventually be prodused and constructed by robots themselves
I haven't worked in a factory or assembly line so take this with a grain of salt. We may have robots already assembling parts for other robots but that doesn't mean we're close to robots being able to autonomously design/build/repair other robots. For designing a printed-circuit-board, you'll find a trained human still superior to a machine. For repairs, trained humans aren't constrained to identifying a select few known issues, they can interpolate in ways machines can't.


While it's true that the demand of maintenance works have increased it however does not increase to such an extent where the people that lost the jobs could be re-trained to do the maintance work, overall the workforce needed to produce the product have decreased.
Agreed, though I'm not sure we have a good solution to that yet.


there is simply not a need for the production to increase (suplie and demand) and when less and less people have jobs to support themselves less and less products will be needed to be made sins people can no longer affort them.
Often there isn't a need for production to expand. I just included that part because there have been instances in the recent past where we've made artificial demand for labour. I think it's China that has lots of spare housing because they ordered the construction without having people to populate them.
 

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trump and his supporters are funny.

losing jobs? it industry? blame it on outsourcing to india and other places. others? blame it on the ****ing immigrants who need to be deported. now its robots.
 

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When this happens we will get technological competence that enables us learn how we can control these robots to do our jobs. That's the future.

Imagine when artificial intelligence becomes a part of the society.
 
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