[VS] Sakura (Icelerate) VS Kakuzu (Zexion)
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How fast are Sakura and Kakuzu?
Sakura Speed Analysis
Many of you might be under the impression that Sakura is average in speed but after acquiring the Yin Seal, Sakura is definitely fast at this point.
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: As you can see, right after punching the Juubi clone, Sakura manages to almost cover the horizontal distance the Juubi clone travelled. Why is this impressive?
Targets punched by Sakura obviously move at a fast speed and the Juubi minion's movement created a huge dust/debris trail. Furthermore, Sakura also covered a vertical distance, unlike her target, hence the total distance she covered surpasses the Juubi fodder. When it comes to dodging attacks, this is a great speed feat because it allows Sakura to cover dozens of metres which allows her to get out of range from attacks with large AoE, much like Kakuzu's wide scale elemental techniques. Also considering the fact that a single leap of her's allowed her to traverse a distance comparable to the
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of her strike,
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, she should be able to dodge the AoE of her own attacks that are
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than Kakuzu's which are only 30 m tall with similar width. The reason why I think Sakura can dodge her own shockwave is because the shockwave travels uniformly everywhere, whereas the impact felt by the Juubi fodder she previously punched would be greater per unit mass, so it should travel faster in the air compared to a spreading out impact within the ground.Do keep in mind that this was done by base Sakura, not Byakugou Sakura after releasing her Yin seal.
Byakogou allows the user to supercharge other's ninjutsu (
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) so it stands to reason it can also charge one's own jutsu. Shunshin no jutsu is a jutsu that vitalises the body for high speed movement and that's something releasing the Yin seal should help with. Databook 1 - Shunshin no Jutsu:
Body Flicker Technique (瞬身の術, Shunshin no Jutsu)
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.
The cloud of sand dances in the wind
[picture of Gaara using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Haku using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Kakashi using the Body Flicker]
↑→Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist. There are many variations of the "Body Flicker" for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the "Sand Body Flicker"*. There are also the "Mist Body Flicker"**, "Water Body Flicker"***, and "Leaf Body Flicker"****, among many others.
*Sand Body Flicker (砂瞬身, Suna Shunshin)
**Mist Body Flicker" (霧瞬身, Kiri Shunshin)
***Water Body Flicker" (水瞬身, Mizu Shunshin)
****"Leaf Body Flicker" (木ノ葉瞬身, Konoha Shunshin
Ninjutsu, D-rank, Supplementary
Users: Gaara, Hatake Kakashi, et al
A movement technique with extreme speed like a gust of wind!!
Appearing along with the wind, disappearing like the wind: the ninja's instantaneous movement technique. This super fast movement is almost impossible to grasp with the naked eye. If seen by an ordinary person, it would seem as if the user has teleported... In reality, the user has vitalized his body with chakra and moved at super speeds. The amount of chakra used up differs depending on the distance and elevation of their stopping point in comparison to the starting point.
The cloud of sand dances in the wind
[picture of Gaara using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Haku using the Body Flicker]
[picture of Kakashi using the Body Flicker]
↑→Haku's and Kakashi's Body Flicker. Dancing leaves and disappearing in an instant like mist. There are many variations of the "Body Flicker" for the various villages and user. Gaara's use includes the "Sand Body Flicker"*. There are also the "Mist Body Flicker"**, "Water Body Flicker"***, and "Leaf Body Flicker"****, among many others.
*Sand Body Flicker (砂瞬身, Suna Shunshin)
**Mist Body Flicker" (霧瞬身, Kiri Shunshin)
***Water Body Flicker" (水瞬身, Mizu Shunshin)
****"Leaf Body Flicker" (木ノ葉瞬身, Konoha Shunshin
Byakogou Sousou Saisei
For several years using the highest most precise chakra control, a fixed amount is stored in the Byakugou seal. The chakra is usually put to use to regenerate the body through the Ninjutsu technique "Sousou Saisei", the combination results in the ultimate regeneration Jutsu.
The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less, than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage (i'm pretty sure, but this the gist of the line, but this was especially tricky).
When Ninpo "Sousou Saisei" is used at the same time as "Byakugou no Jutsu", it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they'd normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition. Than it just talks about the rules of medical ninjutsu where broken with the completion of such a marvelous Ninjutsu as this.
Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.
The seal was able to regenerate the body, despite Tsunade chakra quantity being less, than the enormous chakra quantity of Shodai Hokage (i'm pretty sure, but this the gist of the line, but this was especially tricky).
When Ninpo "Sousou Saisei" is used at the same time as "Byakugou no Jutsu", it becomes possible to use it (Sousou Saisei) over a long period of time. When ones life is effected by grave wounds pushed to the point where they'd normally die, ones body is instantly returned to an unwounded condition. Than it just talks about the rules of medical ninjutsu where broken with the completion of such a marvelous Ninjutsu as this.
Release the chakra stored in ones forehead. Wounds completely recover, while at the same time ones own power rises*, however cell division quickens, which shortens ones life span.
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, so the greater the power, the better one is at doing something. In Sakura/Tsunade's case, power would correspond to the ability to punch and move about. Thus as power rises, so does their physical strength and physical speed (partially due to greater physical strength in the limbs and also due to increased chakra levels to use in propelling oneself with
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). Reactions should also increase due to all that chakra flowing through the brain, energizing it.
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Sakura grabs Obito, turns the two of them around and leaps to a nearby hill to avoid the acid that suddenly started coming out from a sea of acid. Then she quickly takes off her jacket. After taking off her jacket and ripping her sleeves, the portal finally disappears (
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). These portals that Obito makes
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(
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) so this goes to show that Sakura did all these actions in a small amount of time. After all, Kamui portals end up collapsing right after they stop being maintained. Why is this feat impressive?
Sakura was pumping large amounts of chakra into Obito to open dimensions which puts a lot of pressure on her (
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and
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from them and by the time the acid started pouring out, the
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. At this point,
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but she managed to grab him, turn around and leap out of the way all the while only getting grazed by the acid. She performed multiple tasks in a split second which gives her nice reaction. The difference in dodging an unexpected attack and an expected attack can be highlighted by Sasuke being unable to dodge this (
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) but being able to dodge this later on (
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). All in all, Sakura should be able to effortlessly react to any of Kakuzu's elemental attacks from 5+ m, as long as she can see them being prepped, after you combine the following four facts below.
Combine the facts that Sakura:
1. knows what attack is coming out based on the
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due to full intel.2. will be attacked from longer range than the acid source.
3. doesn't have to save anyone else.
4. won't be exerting herself by having to supercharge Obito.
More can be said about Sakura's speed and reactions but for now this is sufficient.
Now let's talk about Kakuzu's.
Kakuzu Speed Analysis
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. Kakuzu being able to backpaddle at the same speed as Shikamaru's forward movements implies he's faster than Shikamaru but not far faster considering he
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and with practically zero distance between them at the time Shikamaru realized what was happening. Kakuzu was able to tag Kakashi three times (
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) but none of these scenarios prove Kakuzu is as fast as or faster than Kakashi. In scenario one, Kakashi thought he had
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and didn't expect Kakuzu to revive himself (
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. In scenario three, Kakashi had just got wounded to the extent that Ino asked to heal him (
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). Here is proof that Kakashi is faster than Kakuzu.
1.
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.In summary, Kakashi>raiton gian>>Kakuzu in terms of speed.
Kakuzu's speed was hyped by Naruto (
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) but Naruto had no problem keeping up or outmaneuvering him with a bunch of clones so Kakuzu can't be that much faster than Naruto. Overall Kakuzu should be able to keep up with Sakura's speed but he'll have difficulty tagging her. On the other hand, Kakuzu's large scale elemental attacks act as CQC deterrents making it hard for Sakura to get close. Though if Sakura does get within CQC distance, Kakuzu would get blitzed
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but worse because Sakura has a considerable speed advantage over Kakuzu unlike against Ino.Katsuyu's Role
While I'll agree that Katsuyu wouldn't fare well against Kakuzu's elemental attacks and there is the fact that summoning Katsuyu does take up chakra. Instead, Sakura will summon two mini Katsuyus (
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) to keep on her shoulders to watch her blind spots in case a mask sneaks up on Sakura's blind spot. Punching the Ground
Useful for sending masks flying away, giving Sakura a direct opening to Kakuzu himself without him being able to fend her off. This could also destroy the exposed masks as the shockwave from Sakura's punch is stronger than
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and also stronger than the
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which destroyed
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. Furthermore, if Sakura can't dodge Kakuzu's attack, she can simply punch the ground, erecting a
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, blocking the attack. Regeneration
If for whatever reason Sakura can't dodge or block the attack, she simply regenerates from it. Hidan's body was still intact after getting hit so Kakuzu's fuuton isn't going to hinder Sakura. Katon has been
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and Karin survived one second of black flames (
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), so despite the burns, Sakura will survive and regenerate. Raiton gian is the only attack that Sakura can't afford to get hit with because it is a piercing attack that could skewer her into two parts, a top half and a bottom half. Kakuzu's Threads
These only have a reach of approximately 5 metres which is a distance close enough for Sakura to blitz Kakuzu. A base Naruto clone (
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) managed to avoid it once so someone far faster than that clone should be able to evade them just fine. Sakura could also feint Kakuzu out by letting him grab her and
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allowing her to blindside him (
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) similar to how Naruto did (
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). Kakuzu's Five Lives
You might be wondering, "Kakuzu has five lives, how does Sakura kill him five times"? Well here is the answer. After losing one life, Kakuzu is vulnerable to getting attacked again until the masks revive him (
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. With full intel, Sakura isn't going to let that happen and will punch incoming masks coming to rescue him. Even if Kakuzu gets revived, Sakura will be right next to him, allowing her to kill him again similar to someone waking up from their sleep being up against a murderer right next to them. Battle of Attrition
Yin seal Sakura has far more stamina than Kakuzu does. Healing oneself requires a lot of chakra (
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) puts Sakura on bijuu level of chakra considering Naruto with Kurama chakra is 100 times Kakashi (
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), who is average when it comes to chakra. Kakuzu has great stamina as well but it is obvious who has the better stamina feats. Sakura's chakra was a huge help to Obito in opening portals to Kaguya's dimensions (
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) which takes a massive amount of chakra (
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You won't be able to. Even if you attempt, you'll be easily refuted, I have yet to go all out.
I forgot to address doton domu but hopefully you don't drag the debate by trying to argue it taking a punch from Sakura.
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I'm not going to really bother arguing your speed feats as they aren't very relevant, and as usual you're over complicating them to try and give them relavance
any normal judge should see that. However I do have some things to point out:-Her following the Juubi is a pointless feat as her speed isn't measured at all, merely the distance she can cover with a jump, along with the fact that as you can see the juubi actually traveled a decent distance before she jumped, and even then she never fully caught up with it. The distance/time ratio (speed) is hardly noteworthy.
-Her "second feat" is also hardly relevant, honestly it could even be more of a lack of speed feat. The pouring of acid is hardly a fast occurance when compared to techniques used throughout the manga and even that specific battle. The fact that she was still unable to completely avoid harm despite being at her fastest (seal released) is almost embaressing.
Nice stretch, however the power rise mentioned has only been visibly seen in terms of regeneration and strength, you can state it increases speed all you want however the manga says otherwise, until you can show me an instance of increase in speed whether it be with Tsunade or Sakura this point is moot. It increases regeneration allowing her to tank attacks, hence why the increase in speed is miniscule at best due to it being pointless.
Chakra is always flowing through the brain, again feats of increased reactions are needed not your conjecture. Either way everything Sakura has shown is un-impressive and no feats of reactions or even speed were present in your post.
This statement is utterly disproven as nothing you've posted even resembles a "reaction" feat. Her getting hit by acid again tarnishes her reactions at most. Good luck finding any as well, I could list all the times she's been blitzed before the war-arc however it would be pointless. Even in her prime she was the damsel who needed to be saved
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All you've proven is that she can jump a good distance. Her reactions are still piss-poor and her movement speed in general continues to be unimpressive.
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Kakuzu doesn't really need speed in this fight however thanks for spinning Kakuzu's feats in a negative manor, arrogant as always I see.
This statement should be obviously flawed due to the fact one it wasn't point blank range :lol and two that Kakuzu was able to blitz a much faster Kakashi twice. Cast aside the first one all you want (however in both cases neither Shikamaru nor Kakashi knew of Kakuzu's presence) However the second is perfectly valid, you say its not due to the aerial position Kakashi was in, yet in that very same scenario he was able to escape the rapid burst of Atsugai
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Due to being dodged its only instance its speed isn't extreme however its still a quickly executed attack. The fact that Kakuzu was able to actually land an attack on Kakashi means that his speed must be faster than that of Atsugai. Being aerial also has nothing to with Kakshi not even being able to slice the threads with Raikiri yet alone activate it. As for the third blitz of Kakashi it wasn't really movement speed however you trying to discredit it because Ino offered healing to Kakashi is laughable, she was refering to the entry wounds left by the threads which should in no way hinder speed it at all. Nevermind the fact that he was still able to utilize the sharingan and raikiri to rescue Naruto later on
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He was perfectly fit enough to avoid Kakuzu's attack he simply could not.Lolol Why are you assuming Sakura has above Kakashi reactions when once again you've proven nothing of the sort with the meager two feats you were able to find. Part 2 Kakashi who was on par with Hebi Sasuke in terms of speed is still faster than prime Sakura.
Please tell me of an occurance where Sakura has ever tagged a shinobi thanks to her speed? It never has, she's managed to strike the Juubi fodder clones the entire K11 was able to strike. She's never touching Kakuzu here especially not with an attack she'd have to wind back or charge to increase its strength. Meanwhile while her evasion is considerable she has neither the reactions nor shunsin to avoid Kakuzu's wide scale jutsu, nor the quick precise threads.
If it were this easy why would Naruto not have done so when utilizing Katsuyu? Its diffiuclt to be maneurvering around the battlefield with two slugs perched on your shoulder, thinking they would be able to stay in place is naive. However it doesn't really matter while an inventive tactic her knowing whats coming doesn't change the fact that she simply can't avoid it. As well as the force from explosive jutsu throwing them off the shoulders, even if she's not struck by the attack directly.
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It wasn't ten-tens attack that killed the mask first of all, if you're still ignorant to what really destroyed the mask (Asuma's fuuton) I suggest you re-read. Also no we can't compare Asuma's jutsu to Sakura's shockwaves as Asuma's jutsu was the dust cloud techinque, which uses dust particles to tear up whats caught in its radius (couldn't find the databook page) that as well as the elemental advantage over the mask was what destroyed the mask. Sakura's charged punch may be able to create a shockwave long enough to disrupt the AERIAL masks, which can glide for a good period of time. However she'd never get the chance to, should she ever jump up to land back down Kakuzu would grab her with the threads like he did against a much faster Kakashi, or if for some reason he can't the masks would disrupt her attack with Jutsu. She can tank them sure, (gian or wind + fire combo could cause some damage) but they all contain enough force to push her away from landing the punch.
Kishi is that you behind the Icelerate mantle? Are you able to perfectly draw the exact height and size needed to block the massive attacks of Kakuzu? A rock larger than the Bijuu sized dead trees that Kakuzu's fuuton engulfed? Gian would rip right through the boulder as its description states.
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Which could provide an opening for Kakuzu to take advantage of the healing/injured (if it took out an organ could she recover?) Sakura and remove the heart for the finishing blow.
I won't argue this, however fuuton crushes organs and the internal foundation of the body, so perhaps it would be a struggle to recover. Gian would simply directly destroy her organs so much so that she couldnt heal due to the width of the bolt being larger than that of a human.
Thanks for giving your own maximum range, when in fact his entire body is made completely from millions of threads with no set range given he could extend them logically as far as he'd like.
Not to mention they've clearly traveled farther distances on multiple occasions Kakashi was elevated to more than five meters when he was caught by Kakuzu
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As well as them traveling a massive distance and providing him with the ability to go "Long Range" only which im pretty sure the standard for long range is roughly 15 meters is it not? If not more.
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Yes him having them out like that makes the process quicker and provides him with obvious advantageous however you have no reason to argue that he couldn't send threads that distance in his normal state as well.
The base clone was able to avoid it because it hid behind the other one....obviously hence why it was decimated the next panel over :lol
Substitution.... there is a reason why it was hardly ever used after part one, it needs to be pre-meditated Sakura won't be able to predict Kakuzu's attacks well enough to plan a substitution jutsu, you can't simply switch places with whatever you choose at any time. That would be the jutsu Sasuke needed Rinnegan + Sharingan + Sage power to initiate :lol
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Also if this did magically happen, unlike clones Sakura can't continue to move when Kakuzu's focus is directed elsewhere the minute she substitutes is the minute he focuses on Sakura once more. Not to mention Kakashi someone who also demonstrated a mastery of substitution was never able to utilize it once when caught by the threads, yet Sakura could?
Sakura is a straight forward fighter, she needs to close down the distance in order to deal damage to Kakuzu meanwhile within that time Kakuzu can utilize his elemental jutsu which Sakura will not be able to avoid as cleanly as Kakashi, to put her off guard and remove her heart within seconds
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The deepness of the threads despite the miniscule time elapsed is impresive. Keep in mind Kakuzu does not need to be close to Sakura in order for this process to be completed, he usually tries to remove the heart from a close distance due to his need for the heart to still be beating when transfered to his body, when he's simply trying to remove a heart to kill an opponenet he can do so with his long range threads.
:lol These were your impressive points that were supposed to scare me? First of all that only applies if she strikes his original heart, which based on what has been presented so far will most likely never happen. Secondly Kakuzu always keeps an earth heart within his body meaning that if she did manage to deal a fatal blow, he'd be able to recover in seconds if even that as the heart is already within his body, plus that means is she did try to take advantage of this Domu would still be in play, as its a jutsu that affects the body of Kakuzu directly instead of using the mask as a medium which is why the raiton heart became useless after it was taken in by Kakuzu. After that Kakuzu would know what Sakura will try to do and prevent it, instead of waking up blindly he'd spring into attack directly, putting herself so close to Kakuzu's threads could mean a simple heart removal would be in palce, from when she's not expecting an attack as well.
Alas Doton Domu is a useful application here, and i'll give you the basics as to why;
-The human skin has flexible tendancies to increase its durability from brunt force attacks such as punches and what have you.
-Due to Kakuzu having a single organ worth damaging along with it being surrounded by threads that allow force to flow freely through the body and exiting without causing much harm. Sakura's punch would need to physically breach Kakuzu in order to deal real damage.
However Sakura's punch can't breach a normal humans skin, even when CES is involved (simple physics, not how a punch works) so if Domu is simply the properties of skin along with the added hardness and durability what makes you think it would be broken by Sakura? Its elasticity remains as well as its flexability. It also has a good deal of force absorbption shown when he tanked a spikey human boulder from directly on top of his head.
Had to cut this post short, however yes Sakura has a massive amount of stamina but that doesn't change the fact that she can still be caught off guard and off balance. Don't understimate Kakuzu's reserves as well, who sealed a Bijuu and fought 7 shinobi in combat without breaking a sweat.
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