Which jutsu was the hardest to understand?

[~Ethereal~]

I believe majority would agree on Izanami.

 

[ChicagoJhawk]

Izanami ftw

 

[Nick01]

How about Izanagi?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Doton domu tbh.


OT:Izanami was just a plot tool, of course people won't understand it.

 

[avenged sevenfold]

Doton domu tbh.


OT:Izanami was just a plot tool, of course people won't understand it.

I think Doton dome is rather simple. But I have to agree with the aforementioned izanagi/izanami was quite complicated

 

[BlacLord™]

Izanami is pretty simple.

It's just associating sensory information packaged with events, with a genjutsu copy of said events and turning on repeat. Never really thought of jutsu being hard.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Izanami was simple but complicated. Explaining how it works is confusing, but actually understanding it is easy.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

izanami, followed closely by izanagi.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Y'all are probably just dumb as all these jutsu are very easy to understand.

One that is confusing however is Sasoris puppet body. How does he see, hear, and sense with just a heart

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Kamui. I found how Obito phases through things very confusing. There were a lot of conditions to this jutsu which would have made Obito haxxed but didn't.

 

[Aznkidd]

Y'all are probably just dumb as all these jutsu are very easy to understand.

One that is confusing however is Sasoris puppet body. How does he see, hear, and sense with just a heart

yea master of puppet is much more complicate than a complicate spell. Just gives Shikamaru the spell and he can do it much better ( maybe lock down the target for life lolol ) Also the way the filler explain izanagi/izanami make it quite cheap....
What impress me that Itachi put the cow inside Naruto and calculate for the later use.

Also breath life into wood then transform it into thousand pieces while constantly heal your self and perform other jutsu is quite insane.
Same to Sasori control 100 puppets is also quite insane and using puppets to use it's ex-life jutsu is much more complicate.

 

[chaos control]

Rather than izanami or izanagi (like lots of people are saying), I'd argue that six paths sage mode was the hardest thing to understand (I know that is a mode rather than a jutsu, but close enough).

If you think about it, it took us as a fan base forever to understand what exactly RSM is. In fact, every now and then I still see threads debating about RSM and whether or not Naruto still has it. Even after the 4th data book came out, it still took people (myself included) a while to get the memo that the form Naruto donned when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball was RSM, and that the golden form with 9 truth seeking balls is a higher form of RSM powered by the 9 bijuus.

This confusion was made even worse after chapter 699 when the forever nerfing Kishi decided to not have Naruto use RSM at all in the Last and then introduce this "Kurama chakara only RSM" in Gaiden and the Boruto movie. For the longest, many people including myself thought that this mode was simply BSM in Gaiden. Some people still do believe that in fact, and debates actually still go on about that from time to time to this very day. It doesn't help one bit that Kishi actually gave Kurama chakara RSM a design that looks just like BSM, and he took Naruto's truth seeking balls away from him. At the very least, Kishi could have let the design keep the 9 tomoe and the rinnegan symbol. The only way that we can distinguish that adult Naruto is using RSM is because he lacks sage mode pigmentation around his eyes while he has RSM cross eyes and his jacket is short like that of RSM (as seen in the Boruto movie).

The method to obtain RSM wasn't made very clear to begin with either.

For example, we know that Asura and Naruto got it as a powerup from Hagoromo. Hagoromo was presumably born with this power. Madara and Obito got it due to becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki. However, confusion comes in when you think about Hamura and Kaguya. Kaguya was the one who ate from the shinju itself and she herself (fused with the shinju) is the juubi. Like RSM users, Kaguya can also produce truth seeking balls and fly. Nevertheless, Kaguya is not viewed by Kishi or the data book as a user of rikudou senjutsu? Similarly, Hamura came from the same mother as Hagoromo, and his chakara (like Hagoromo's) is powerful enough to induce the ability to fly, the creation of truth seeking balls and even Hamura's lineage's own equivalent of the rinnegan (the tenseigan). All of these traits are near identical to the traits of Hagoromo's chakara, yet Hamura is not a user of RSM?

Also, some people are confused about the difference between rikudou chakara and rikudou senjutsu. Many people have speculated that Sasuke has senjutsu due to having rikudou chakara (which people believe to inherently contain senjutsu). Despite this belief (which may or may not be true), Sasuke did not receive RSM just as Naruto did not get rinnegan from his rikudou chakara.

Do you see what I mean? The introduction of various forms of RSM, the design that adult Naruto's RSM takes, the power that adult Naruto demonstrates, the ambiguity about what conditions you need to obtain RSM (whether it is rikudou chakara/senjutsu/bijuu power, or just rikudou chakara/senjutsu, or if rikudou senjutsu is just one thing all on its own and the senjutsu doesn't have to be added to rikudou chakara seperately) , the inconsistency about who gets RSM and who doesn't , and just some general plot points that Kishi could have written better make RSM one of the most confusing abilities in the series.

What do you guys think?

 

[~Ethereal~]

yea master of puppet is much more complicate than a complicate spell. Just gives Shikamaru the spell and he can do it much better ( maybe lock down the target for life lolol ) Also the way the filler explain izanagi/izanami make it quite cheap....
What impress me that Itachi put the cow inside Naruto and calculate for the later use.

Also breath life into wood then transform it into thousand pieces while constantly heal your self and perform other jutsu is quite insane.
Same to Sasori control 100 puppets is also quite insane and using puppets to use it's ex-life jutsu is much more complicate.

That would have been the funniest moment in Naruto.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Sexy jutsue. Its hard to understand how sexy it is.

 

[Gerkak]

izanami is simple to understand

 

[hixa kuogame]

Y'all are probably just dumb as all these jutsu are very easy to understand.

One that is confusing however is Sasoris puppet body. How does he see, hear, and sense with just a heart

the puppet's body is bio-engineered :|. That's not as complex as Izanami..

 

[Markovko]

Honestly I did not really understand how Kamui worked exactly (actually more like how to counter against it using another Kamui). It took me bit while to fully understand what Kakashi was telling.

Other than that, there is no jutsu that is hard to understand. Izanagi and Izanami were pretty confusing, especially when its conditions changed, first it was used by Danzo, but "Madara" told, that he did not master it, through what mastered Izanagi supposed to be if it is just ocular jutsu that rewrites recent event. Then "Madara" said, that it needs to have Senju DNA. But later Itachi explained, that many Uchiha used it already before (supposedly without Senju DNA?).

 

[Ambivalence]

Rather than izanami or izanagi (like lots of people are saying), I'd argue that six paths sage mode was the hardest thing to understand (I know that is a mode rather than a jutsu, but close enough).

If you think about it, it took us as a fan base forever to understand what exactly RSM is. In fact, every now and then I still see threads debating about RSM and whether or not Naruto still has it. Even after the 4th data book came out, it still took people (myself included) a while to get the memo that the form Naruto donned when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball was RSM, and that the golden form with 9 truth seeking balls is a higher form of RSM powered by the 9 bijuus.

This confusion was made even worse after chapter 699 when the forever nerfing Kishi decided to not have Naruto use RSM at all in the Last and then introduce this "Kurama chakara only RSM" in Gaiden and the Boruto movie. For the longest, many people including myself thought that this mode was simply BSM in Gaiden. Some people still do believe that in fact, and debates actually still go on about that from time to time to this very day. It doesn't help one bit that Kishi actually gave Kurama chakara RSM a design that looks just like BSM, and he took Naruto's truth seeking balls away from him. At the very least, Kishi could have let the design keep the 9 tomoe and the rinnegan symbol. The only way that we can distinguish that adult Naruto is using RSM is because he lacks sage mode pigmentation around his eyes while he has RSM cross eyes and his jacket is short like that of RSM (as seen in the Boruto movie).

The method to obtain RSM wasn't made very clear to begin with either.

For example, we know that Asura and Naruto got it as a powerup from Hagoromo. Hagoromo was presumably born with this power. Madara and Obito got it due to becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki. However, confusion comes in when you think about Hamura and Kaguya. Kaguya was the one who ate from the shinju itself and she herself (fused with the shinju) is the juubi. Like RSM users, Kaguya can also produce truth seeking balls and fly. Nevertheless, Kaguya is not viewed by Kishi or the data book as a user of rikudou senjutsu? Similarly, Hamura came from the same mother as Hagoromo, and his chakara (like Hagoromo's) is powerful enough to induce the ability to fly, the creation of truth seeking balls and even Hamura's lineage's own equivalent of the rinnegan (the tenseigan). All of these traits are near identical to the traits of Hagoromo's chakara, yet Hamura is not a user of RSM?

Also, some people are confused about the difference between rikudou chakara and rikudou senjutsu. Many people have speculated that Sasuke has senjutsu due to having rikudou chakara (which people believe to inherently contain senjutsu). Despite this belief (which may or may not be true), Sasuke did not receive RSM just as Naruto did not get rinnegan from his rikudou chakara.

Do you see what I mean? The introduction of various forms of RSM, the design that adult Naruto's RSM takes, the power that adult Naruto demonstrates, the ambiguity about what conditions you need to obtain RSM (whether it is rikudou chakara/senjutsu/bijuu power, or just rikudou chakara/senjutsu, or if rikudou senjutsu is just one thing all on its own and the senjutsu doesn't have to be added to rikudou chakara seperately) , the inconsistency about who gets RSM and who doesn't , and just some general plot points that Kishi could have written better make RSM one of the most confusing abilities in the series.

What do you guys think?

I definitely agree with this. The amount of RSM threads we got recently and before that all the people being completely unaware of how Naruto's modes work, and there are still people who get confused. The Last movie didn't help by stating Naruto used KCSM, even though that was still technically RSM.

And since most people just look at pictures, the design of the mode being ''changed'' pretty much stirred the confusion more.

 

[BlacLord™]

Rather than izanami or izanagi (like lots of people are saying), I'd argue that six paths sage mode was the hardest thing to understand (I know that is a mode rather than a jutsu, but close enough).

If you think about it, it took us as a fan base forever to understand what exactly RSM is. In fact, every now and then I still see threads debating about RSM and whether or not Naruto still has it. Even after the 4th data book came out, it still took people (myself included) a while to get the memo that the form Naruto donned when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball was RSM, and that the golden form with 9 truth seeking balls is a higher form of RSM powered by the 9 bijuus.

This confusion was made even worse after chapter 699 when the forever nerfing Kishi decided to not have Naruto use RSM at all in the Last and then introduce this "Kurama chakara only RSM" in Gaiden and the Boruto movie. For the longest, many people including myself thought that this mode was simply BSM in Gaiden. Some people still do believe that in fact, and debates actually still go on about that from time to time to this very day. It doesn't help one bit that Kishi actually gave Kurama chakara RSM a design that looks just like BSM, and he took Naruto's truth seeking balls away from him. At the very least, Kishi could have let the design keep the 9 tomoe and the rinnegan symbol. The only way that we can distinguish that adult Naruto is using RSM is because he lacks sage mode pigmentation around his eyes while he has RSM cross eyes and his jacket is short like that of RSM (as seen in the Boruto movie).

The method to obtain RSM wasn't made very clear to begin with either.

For example, we know that Asura and Naruto got it as a powerup from Hagoromo. Hagoromo was presumably born with this power. Madara and Obito got it due to becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki. However, confusion comes in when you think about Hamura and Kaguya. Kaguya was the one who ate from the shinju itself and she herself (fused with the shinju) is the juubi. Like RSM users, Kaguya can also produce truth seeking balls and fly. Nevertheless, Kaguya is not viewed by Kishi or the data book as a user of rikudou senjutsu? Similarly, Hamura came from the same mother as Hagoromo, and his chakara (like Hagoromo's) is powerful enough to induce the ability to fly, the creation of truth seeking balls and even Hamura's lineage's own equivalent of the rinnegan (the tenseigan). All of these traits are near identical to the traits of Hagoromo's chakara, yet Hamura is not a user of RSM?

Also, some people are confused about the difference between rikudou chakara and rikudou senjutsu. Many people have speculated that Sasuke has senjutsu due to having rikudou chakara (which people believe to inherently contain senjutsu). Despite this belief (which may or may not be true), Sasuke did not receive RSM just as Naruto did not get rinnegan from his rikudou chakara.

Do you see what I mean? The introduction of various forms of RSM, the design that adult Naruto's RSM takes, the power that adult Naruto demonstrates, the ambiguity about what conditions you need to obtain RSM (whether it is rikudou chakara/senjutsu/bijuu power, or just rikudou chakara/senjutsu, or if rikudou senjutsu is just one thing all on its own and the senjutsu doesn't have to be added to rikudou chakara seperately) , the inconsistency about who gets RSM and who doesn't , and just some general plot points that Kishi could have written better make RSM one of the most confusing abilities in the series.

What do you guys think?

Six Paths is a moniker of Hagoromo, not Kaguya. Many of her powers were inherited by him in a readily accessible form/altered form.

She is all shinobi power in one package, the original; Six Paths Senjutsu is just a part of her original power, and not something she added on or powers up into.

 

[shelke]

A tube in Sasori being a replacement for all his sensory perceptions. That is ... beyond stupid.

Six Paths is a moniker of Hagoromo, not Kaguya. Many of her powers were inherited by him in a readily accessible form/altered form.

She is all shinobi power in one package, the original; Six Paths Senjutsu is just a part of her original power, and not something she added on or powers up into.

This. Everything Hogoromo inherited was, obviously, from Kaguya. He didn't magically develop anything.

Spoiler

Rather than izanami or izanagi (like lots of people are saying), I'd argue that six paths sage mode was the hardest thing to understand (I know that is a mode rather than a jutsu, but close enough).

If you think about it, it took us as a fan base forever to understand what exactly RSM is. In fact, every now and then I still see threads debating about RSM and whether or not Naruto still has it. Even after the 4th data book came out, it still took people (myself included) a while to get the memo that the form Naruto donned when he kicked Madara's truth seeking ball was RSM, and that the golden form with 9 truth seeking balls is a higher form of RSM powered by the 9 bijuus.

This confusion was made even worse after chapter 699 when the forever nerfing Kishi decided to not have Naruto use RSM at all in the Last and then introduce this "Kurama chakara only RSM" in Gaiden and the Boruto movie. For the longest, many people including myself thought that this mode was simply BSM in Gaiden. Some people still do believe that in fact, and debates actually still go on about that from time to time to this very day. It doesn't help one bit that Kishi actually gave Kurama chakara RSM a design that looks just like BSM, and he took Naruto's truth seeking balls away from him. At the very least, Kishi could have let the design keep the 9 tomoe and the rinnegan symbol. The only way that we can distinguish that adult Naruto is using RSM is because he lacks sage mode pigmentation around his eyes while he has RSM cross eyes and his jacket is short like that of RSM (as seen in the Boruto movie).

The method to obtain RSM wasn't made very clear to begin with either.

For example, we know that Asura and Naruto got it as a powerup from Hagoromo. Hagoromo was presumably born with this power. Madara and Obito got it due to becoming the 10 tails jinchuuriki. However, confusion comes in when you think about Hamura and Kaguya. Kaguya was the one who ate from the shinju itself and she herself (fused with the shinju) is the juubi. Like RSM users, Kaguya can also produce truth seeking balls and fly. Nevertheless, Kaguya is not viewed by Kishi or the data book as a user of rikudou senjutsu? Similarly, Hamura came from the same mother as Hagoromo, and his chakara (like Hagoromo's) is powerful enough to induce the ability to fly, the creation of truth seeking balls and even Hamura's lineage's own equivalent of the rinnegan (the tenseigan). All of these traits are near identical to the traits of Hagoromo's chakara, yet Hamura is not a user of RSM?

Also, some people are confused about the difference between rikudou chakara and rikudou senjutsu. Many people have speculated that Sasuke has senjutsu due to having rikudou chakara (which people believe to inherently contain senjutsu). Despite this belief (which may or may not be true), Sasuke did not receive RSM just as Naruto did not get rinnegan from his rikudou chakara.

Do you see what I mean? The introduction of various forms of RSM, the design that adult Naruto's RSM takes, the power that adult Naruto demonstrates, the ambiguity about what conditions you need to obtain RSM (whether it is rikudou chakara/senjutsu/bijuu power, or just rikudou chakara/senjutsu, or if rikudou senjutsu is just one thing all on its own and the senjutsu doesn't have to be added to rikudou chakara seperately) , the inconsistency about who gets RSM and who doesn't , and just some general plot points that Kishi could have written better make RSM one of the most confusing abilities in the series.

What do you guys think?

There is no version of RSM. When Naruto is drawing upon the Sage's Senjutsu, he's in the Sage Mode. When he draws upon the chakra of all Bijuus within him AND the Sage's Senjutsu, it creates TSBs and the Bijuu chakra cloak. Otherwise, when he kicked that Orb, he was in RSM.

Kaguya is the original progenitor of all chakra, Senjutsu included. The Sage's chakra is like Senjutsu, as it's Natural Energy based, given that he's a direct descendent of Kaguya.