****The paradox of Naruto's hard work.****

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Hey guys. Haven't been much on but since I finished Boruto movie the other day and finding out that Naruto won't completely die out because of Boruto story continuing, it got me thinking about Naruto's powers throughout the series. I'm not trying to stir up a flame war or something, just bear with the appreciation of the character, please.

Ever since the series started, Naruto was labeled as a drop-out without any talents. He could only achieve a certain level of ability through hard work and dedication. His opposite character, Sasuke, was a Genius and could, supposedly, do everything faster, better, etc. The elite level of abilities were supposed to come to him rather easily, as opposed to Naruto, who, supposedly, had to do everything spitting sweat and blood.

Why am I repeating the word "supposedly"? Well, despite Naruto being portrayed, in the beginning might I add, as an ordinary shinobi, his feats and abilities came quite quickly. The struggle was there, no doubt, but the mastering of each of those abilities came with an extraordinary speed - a Genius speed, I would say. It was also quite contradictory and appaling to label a person in a negative way when they could host a Bijuu, that's part of the story but I've always found that to be irritatingly stupid, to say the least. Hosting a Bijuu itself obviously requires certain body qualities which could suppress it. Naruto was able to do it to the most powerful one.

Naruto's "stupidity" was always present in every dialogue when it concerned him, but that "stupidity" was due to his behavior wanting everybody to recognize him. The life which he lived made him live that life through stupid behavior. Being bad at grades and not succeeding with shinobi tasks were all a cry for attention. That's the discrepancy because during serious battles when his or their life was on the line, he was quick to react, with clever/smart reasoning behind those reactions. He was praised quite a few times for his intellect - Sasuke did it with Zabuza, the Chuunin referee did it against Neji, Jiraiya did it during learning of Rasengan, and many, many more. Chouji even compared him to Shikamaru once (even though that's not the case, it's an honor to be compared to him in that manner). So stupid behavior, which results in stupid actions shouldn't be compared to the level of battle intellect when the instincts come in. Is he an ordinary shinobi when it comes to cleverness? No, I wouldn't say so.

The time between ending of Zabuza arc and beginning of Sasuke becoming rogue shinobi was remarkable when it comes to his growth. I'm just gonna stick here with Naruto being able to control Kurama's chakra with ease in a ridiculously short amount of time and him mastering Rasengan in just a week. Those two things alone, along with battle experience, made him reach Sasuke's level quite easily. And yes, battle experience, I can't stress that enough - I think Naruto's growth heavily relies on it. It makes him stronger each time. Now, a lot of people would throw the argument of Naruto having help from Kurama during that time but here's my argument - why would one consider that help if it's in Naruto's ability to contain it and control it? It makes no sense whatsoever. That being said and shut down, Naruto's growth during that time was amazing and Genius-like.

Another thing that makes him extraordinary is the amount of his chakra reserves. Naturally, having that quality, certain techniques become more powerful and apparently, with his wits, creation of an above S-rank technique. Now when I say those things, him being a hard worker sounds funny. If I mention the time in which he created it, the feat becomes Genius-like, no doubt. I'm gonna skip the Kurama mode and the details about him controlling his power because of the previous argument, but I am gonna say that a certain handout was there - Kushina. She obviously helped him tame Kurama. Now, I have another argument for that, bear with me. Naruto's constant frustration with himself and the complex of loneliness made him doubt his abilities and power. That's also why he failed so many times in his childhood. The difference between knowing what you can do and what you can't is worlds apart. A Genius is born with the knowledge and reputation that he is a Genius. It makes everything easier because of the self-esteem they hold in themselves. Without it, you simply can't excel. Kushina helped Naruto conquer his self-esteem. Once she did it, Naruto tamed Kurama quite easily, again.

I'm gonna finish here since I said quite enough. Despite him being a hard worker, Naruto exhibited Genius-like feats and was never, even once, labeled a Genius. And that makes it beautiful, honorable and awesome. What do you think?
 
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You right though lol. He did master Rasenshuriken fast lol. Although I coulda sworn he was labeled a Genius of Hard Work. If he wasnt then he sure deserves the title.
 

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I honestly feel like Kishimoto couldn't decide, especially with the haphazard way Kishi throws around the term 'genius.'
 

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Naruto is more silly then stupid, him, goku, luffy are same, silly so we can relate but supposedly genius in battle.
 

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Naruto.....All he needed was a teacher. In my eyes, He is a prodigy too.

Again, Neji was right. Naruto was destined for greatness. No wonder Kishi killed him off so he don't call Naruto out on that bs after the war.
 

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Nice read mate, I agree.
 

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Nice thread. I especially agree on the bijuu containing part

I agree with Metatron1 naruto was probably meant to be like Goku and other similar characters
 

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I like this thread. I haven't seen a good Naruto thread in forever.
 

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Booti-fur thread.
 

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Hey guys. Haven't been much on but since I finished Boruto movie the other day and finding out that Naruto won't completely die out because of Boruto story continuing, it got me thinking about Naruto's powers throughout the series. I'm not trying to stir up a flame war or something, just bear with the appreciation of the character, please.

Ever since the series started, Naruto was labeled as a drop-out without any talents. He could only achieve a certain level of ability through hard work and dedication. His opposite character, Sasuke, was a Genius and could, supposedly, do everything faster, better, etc. The elite level of abilities were supposed to come to him rather easily, as opposed to Naruto, who, supposedly, had to do everything spitting sweat and blood.

Why am I repeating the word "supposedly"? Well, despite Naruto being portrayed, in the beggining might I add, as an ordinary shinobi, his feats and abilities came quite quickly. The struggle was there, no doubt, but the mastering of each of those abilities came with an extraordinary speed - a Genius speed, I would say. It was also quite contradictory and appaling to label a person in a negative way when they could host a Bijuu, that's part of the story but I've always found that to be irritatingly stupid, to say the least. Hosting a Bijuu itself obviously requires certain body qualities which could suppress it. Naruto was able to do it to the most powerful one.

Naruto's "stupidity" was always present in every dialog when it concerned him, but that "stupidity" was due the his behavior wanting everybody to recognize him. The life which he lived made him live that life through stupid behavior. Being bad at grades and not succeeding with shinobi tasks were all a cry for attention. That's the discrepancy because during serious battles when his or their life was on the line, he was quick to react, with clever/smart reasoning behind those reactions. He was praised quite a few times for his intellect - Sasuke did it with Zabuza, the Chuunin referee did it against Neji, Jiraiya did it duting learning of Rasengan, and many, many more. Chouji even compared him to Shikamaru once (even though that's not the case, it's an honor to be compared to him in that manner). So stupid behavior, which results in stupid actions shouldn't compared to the level of battle intellect when the instincts come in. Is he an ordinary shinobi when it comes to cleverness? No, I wouldn't say so.

The time between ending of Zabuza arc and beginning of Sasuke becoming rogue shinobi was remarkable when it comes to his growth. I'm just gonna stick here with Naruto being able to control Kurama's chakra with ease in a ridiculously short amount of time and him mastering Rasengan in just a week. Those two things alone, along with battle experience, made him reach Sasuke's level quite easily. And yes, battle experience, I can't stress that enough - I think Naruto's growth heavily relies on it. It makes him stronger each time. Now, a lot of people would throw the argument of Naruto having help from Kurama during that time but here's my argument - why would one consider that help if it's in Naruto's ability to contain it and control it? It makes no sense whatsoever. That being said and shut down, Naruto's growth during that time was amazing and Genius-like.

Another thing that makes him extraordinary is the amount of his chakra reserves. Naturally, having that quality, certain techniques become more powerful and apparently, with his wits, creation of an above S-rank technique. Now when I say those things, him being a hard worker sounds funny. If I mention the time in which he created it, the feat becomes Genius-like, no doubt. I'm gonna skip the Kurama mode and the details about him controlling his power because of the previous argument, but I am gonna say that a certain handout was there - Kushina. She obviously helped him tame Kurama. Now, I have another argument for that, bear with me. Naruto's constant frustration with himself and the complex of loneliness made him doubt his abilities and power. That's also why he failed so many times in his childhood. The differenc between knowing what you can do and what you can't is worlds apart. A Genius is a born with the knowledge and reputation that he is a Genius. It makes everything easier because of the self-esteem they hold in themselves. Without it, you simply can't excel. Kushina helpem Naruto conquer his self-esteem. Once she did it, Naruto tamed Kurama quite easily, again.

I'm gonna finnish here since I said quite enough. Despite him being a hard worker, Naruto exhibited Genius-like feats and was never, even once, labeled a Genius. And that makes it beautiful, honorable and awesome. What do you think?

Kishi changed a lot at the halfway point. Originally Naruto(the manga) was about achieving success through dedication and work then it became about who's genetics you share, Naruto(the character) was only as good as he was because of his blood(and Ashura). Part 1 Lee challenged Sasuke and Naruto challenged Neji all through hard work and effort.

Originally KKG were an inherent bloodline jutsu that could only be done with that bloodline then it became combining chakra natures.
 

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Naruto is practically the Goku of his series in some cases. If given the right guidance, Naruto can exceed further than beyond. There is one filler that irked me a little. Remember when Naruto taught Konohamaru the Rasengan? It felt like he was a complete dumbass and I know Naruto can put better words than "BAM!". (Then again it's filler: the inconsistent animation process)

You are right though. Naruto does want to be acknowledged and that was one of his primary goals as a kid. Only until with Jiraiya, Naruto changed his ideals to bringing peace since he is already acknowledged for saving the village. Also, it seems Naruto's growth is rushed when the War arc came in. I get that Kakashi was 13 when he got into the war but in his time, war was going around for a couple of years, probably even during his time in the academy. Anyway, Naruto had a time of peace and for him to get to that kind of level, even without the Kyuubi is kind of not good in my opinion. Him learning certain difficult techniques in short amounts of time is good but controlling the Kyuubi already even with his mother is too soon. Kurama recently got held down in another seal and now he suddenly likes Naruto? It doesn't sit right for me. I guess Talk no Jutsu is an excuse but I find that baffling. Both Naruto and Sasuke have been rushed and now they are practically Demi-Gods.


In the end, it's Kishi's story and not mine but I respect Naruto and his ninja way. He's the only one who was innocent in all of this mess and I'm glad he brought peace.

Naruto.....All he needed was a teacher. In my eyes, He is a prodigy too.

Again, Neji was right. Naruto was destined for greatness. No wonder Kishi killed him off so he don't call Naruto out on that bs after the war.

Kishimoto likes to kill off prodigies. Why else Itachi got that "sickness"? Characters that have potential or are that awesome gets killed off is ridiculous to me.
 

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Naruto had a lot of potential since the beginning.
 

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Naruto.....All he needed was a teacher. In my eyes, He is a prodigy too.

Again, Neji was right. Naruto was destined for greatness. No wonder Kishi killed him off so he don't call Naruto out on that bs after the war.

actually neji was wrong...he called naruto a loser and a failure and destined for worthlessness
 

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You right though lol. He did master Rasenshuriken fast lol. Although I coulda sworn he was labeled a Genius of Hard Work. If he wasnt then he sure deserves the title.

Clone help speed up the process
 

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Naruto.....All he needed was a teacher. In my eyes, He is a prodigy too.

Again, Neji was right. Naruto was destined for greatness. No wonder Kishi killed him off so he don't call Naruto out on that bs after the war.

Neji......... No .....
 

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Kishi changed a lot at the halfway point. Originally Naruto(the manga) was about achieving success through dedication and work then it became about who's genetics you share, Naruto(the character) was only as good as he was because of his blood(and Ashura). Part 1 Lee challenged Sasuke and Naruto challenged Neji all through hard work and effort.

Originally KKG were an inherent bloodline jutsu that could only be done with that bloodline then it became combining chakra natures.
You're right on except for the kekkei genkai point. Naruto only got those because of the bijuu, and no other character really displayed a kekkei genkai except for any of the uchihas, hyuga, and people who were edo-tensei
 

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Kishi changed a lot at the halfway point. Originally Naruto(the manga) was about achieving success through dedication and work then it became about who's genetics you share, Naruto(the character) was only as good as he was because of his blood(and Ashura). Part 1 Lee challenged Sasuke and Naruto challenged Neji all through hard work and effort.

Originally KKG were an inherent bloodline jutsu that could only be done with that bloodline then it became combining chakra natures.

I don't know how much Kishimoto planned in advance but regardless of that, his growth was incredible despite him being known as a talentless shinobi.

KKG is a genetic trait, much like Naruto's ability to host a Bijuu or large chakra reserves.

Clone help speed up the process

Making a lot of clones is his ability which helps, of course, but not in the manner of a handout.

Naruto is practically the Goku of his series in some cases. If given the right guidance, Naruto can exceed further than beyond. There is one filler that irked me a little. Remember when Naruto taught Konohamaru the Rasengan? It felt like he was a complete dumbass and I know Naruto can put better words than "BAM!". (Then again it's filler: the inconsistent animation process)

You are right though. Naruto does want to be acknowledged and that was one of his primary goals as a kid. Only until with Jiraiya, Naruto changed his ideals to bringing peace since he is already acknowledged for saving the village. Also, it seems Naruto's growth is rushed when the War arc came in. I get that Kakashi was 13 when he got into the war but in his time, war was going around for a couple of years, probably even during his time in the academy. Anyway, Naruto had a time of peace and for him to get to that kind of level, even without the Kyuubi is kind of not good in my opinion. Him learning certain difficult techniques in short amounts of time is good but controlling the Kyuubi already even with his mother is too soon. Kurama recently got held down in another seal and now he suddenly likes Naruto? It doesn't sit right for me. I guess Talk no Jutsu is an excuse but I find that baffling. Both Naruto and Sasuke have been rushed and now they are practically Demi-Gods.


In the end, it's Kishi's story and not mine but I respect Naruto and his ninja way. He's the only one who was innocent in all of this mess and I'm glad he brought peace.

I felt the resemblance with Goku, yeah. I mentioned stupidity because people compare it with the overall ability in battles, which is just plain wrong.

Yeah, this is why self-esteem plays a huge role. Once they started recognizing him as a worthy person, his "talent" started to sprout.
 
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Bumping this in the light of some new cringing topics.
 
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