Naruto and Sasuke without recarnation chakra

[VongolaX]

Yahiko didn't switch teams at all. He died with a smile on his face believing. Obito is a perfect example of what Naruto would become if he can't achive his dream.

all those examples are possible paths that naruto would've taken without Ashura chakra. That's my point.

Yes Yahiko did die, I was referring to Tendo Pein's standpoint of switching sides.

Naruto's dreams did fail, but he never gave up and kept trying till he got there. While Obito never gave up on his ambition too but used Indra's type of approach in achieving them.

Because of that Uchiha excessive love, he went about trying to accomplsih naruto's type of goals the wrong way.

But I see where you are coming from.

 

[Gerkak]

Nope. He would've eventually see the bigger picture, then start thinking about the village which would put him on the tobirama path or be a dog like Kakashi.

Revenge would have still been on his mind, izuna who isn't even indra's reincarnation was the one encouraging madara(indra's reincarnation) to continue fighting against the senju. Do you really think that just lacking indra's chakra would make sasuke do some 180 change? I don't, he'll be better but he won't be like tobirama or kakashi at all

 

[Nagi]

Revenge would have still been on his mind, izuna who isn't even indra's reincarnation was the one encouraging madara(indra's reincarnation) to continue fighting against the senju. Do you really think that just lacking indra's chakra would make sasuke do some 180 change? I don't, he'll be better but he won't be like tobirama or kakashi at all

Better read the conversation between Sasuke and the 1st hokage. That is wrong. Izuna just wanted to protect the Uchiha clan as a family and didn't trust the senju.

 

[Gerkak]

Better read the conversation between Sasuke and the 1st hokage. That is wrong. Izuna just wanted to protect the Uchiha clan as a family and didn't trust the senju.

I did read it madara didn't immediately refuse meaning he was considering it but izuna came in and convinced madara to not trust them leading to more battles between the clans and more hatred. Indra's chakra isn't the only thing that made sasuke become what he was, black zetsu himself said they were other ashura and indra reincarnates that worked together and clearly in those times there were no madara and kaguya.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Yahiko didn't switch teams at all. He died with a smile on his face believing. Obito is a perfect example of what Naruto would become if he can't achive his dream.

all those examples are possible paths that naruto would've taken without Ashura chakra. That's my point.

What did ashura chakra give to naruto?

I can see that indra chakra is the reason sasuke got Sharingan,EMS and Rinnegan but i don't see any benefits of ashura chakra in naruto's strength.

Naruto has became what he intended to become.Naruto's ninja way was not to give up unlike the ones which you have mentioned in your thread.Obito gave up on his dream.Nagato gave up on his dream.All village hated Naruto and Naruto still became a hokage with extreme hard work.

I don't see why do you bring up ashura thing when it has nothing to do with naruto and his goal.

 

[Nagi]

What did ashura chakra give to naruto?

I can see that indra chakra is the reason sasuke got Sharingan,EMS and Rinnegan but i don't see any benefits of ashura chakra in naruto's strength.

Naruto has became what he intended to become.Naruto's ninja way was not to give up unlike the ones which you have mentioned in your thread.Obito gave up on his dream.Nagato gave up on his dream.All village hated Naruto and Naruto still became a hokage with extreme hard work.

I don't see why do you bring up ashura thing when it has nothing to do with naruto and his goal.

Are you trolling now? Ashura grant you a damn ocean of phyical energy. You're trolling right now.

The point of this thread is that If Naruto dind't have Ashura chakra, his sage mode would be the end game here. He would ended up becoming the 3rd hokage if nothing bad happen to him.

 

[Mystikk]

Lol at this thread.. if sasuke never wouldve gotten mind rapped he would be still like madara.. and take those deaths down.. this thread is a joke call the moderators!! Lmao

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Are you trolling now? Ashura grant you a damn ocean of phyical energy. You're trolling right now.

The point of this thread is that If Naruto dind't have Ashura chakra, his sage mode would be the end game here. He would ended up becoming the 3rd hokage if nothing bad happen to him.

nothing suggests that ashura grants a vast amount of physical energy.

I think you have a misunderstanding of the ashura and indra reincarnations.
Its not like Naruto was born with Ashura chakra. Actually Ashura selected naruto to reincarnate after when he found naruto worthy of it.

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So Naruto's wide pool of physical energy has nothing to do with ashura's chakra.

If Naruto hadn't have Ashura's chakra he would still get SM and BM.I already said that unlike Obito and Nagato,Naruto didn't want to give up on his goal.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

Naruto without Ashura chakra

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Sasuke without Indra chakra

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I wish I could rep you for that :lol:

 

[Nagi]

Lol at this thread.. if sasuke never wouldve gotten mind rapped he would be still like madara.. and take those deaths down.. this thread is a joke call the moderators!! Lmao

Hebi Sasuke showed no intention of hurting other people beside Itachi. If he kept the hebi mindset, he would've simply went after Danzo, then call it a day after.

nothing suggests that ashura grants a vast amount of physical energy.

I think you have a misunderstanding of the ashura and indra reincarnations.
Its not like Naruto was born with Ashura chakra. Actually Ashura selected naruto to reincarnate after when he found naruto worthy of it.

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So Naruto's wide pool of physical energy has nothing to do with ashura's chakra.

If Naruto hadn't have Ashura's chakra he would still get SM and BM.I already said that unlike Obito and Nagato,Naruto didn't want to give up on his goal.

Name another shinobi beside hashi that have enough chakra pool to match Naruto's 1000 shadow!

I rest my case. 4th hokage...a prodigy who created the rasengan couldn't master the sage mode! The only reason Naruto could master sage mode due to his godly chakra pool.

Naruto running around for 3 days spamming chakra mode, sage mode and shadow clones. come on dude! NAME ANOTHER SHINOBI BESIDE THE 1ST HOKAGE THAT CAN PULL OFF THAT KIND OF FEAT!

 

[Nick01]

Naruto would still be OP.

 

[Nagi]

Naruto would still be OP.

Sage mode Naruto is strong, but it had time limit and cool down and shit. People had a chance of beating him at that level. But that chakra mode naruto can fight for 3 days without dropping to the knees..... When kishi said he can sense emotions and all that shit, I said, "yup. Sasuke can't beat that. Shit, they better not fight at all".

 

[Nick01]

Sage mode Naruto is strong, but it had time limit and cool down and shit. People had a chance of beating him at that level. But that chakra mode naruto can fight for 3 days without dropping to the knees..... When kishi said he can sense emotions and all that shit, I said, "yup. Sasuke can't beat that. Shit, they better not fight at all".

lol XD

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Hebi Sasuke showed no intention of hurting other people beside Itachi. If he kept the hebi mindset, he would've simply went after Danzo, then call it a day after.



Name another shinobi beside hashi that have enough chakra pool to match Naruto's 1000 shadow!

I rest my case. 4th hokage...a prodigy who created the rasengan couldn't master the sage mode! The only reason Naruto could master sage mode due to his godly chakra pool.

Naruto running around for 3 days spamming chakra mode, sage mode and shadow clones. come on dude! NAME ANOTHER SHINOBI BESIDE THE 1ST HOKAGE THAT CAN PULL OFF THAT KIND OF FEAT!

3rd Raikage fought for 3 days and nights against 50000 or may be 30000 (can't remember) shinobis.

You're right though that there are rare shinobis who have a chakra level of Hashirama and Naruto U_U.

 

[SatanicGod]

I did read it madara didn't immediately refuse meaning he was considering it but izuna came in and convinced madara to not trust them leading to more battles between the clans and more hatred. Indra's chakra isn't the only thing that made sasuke become what he was, black zetsu himself said they were other ashura and indra reincarnates that worked together and clearly in those times there were no madara and kaguya.

Izuna saw the bigger picture, look at the persecution the Uchiha went through after the deal with the Senju

 

[Gerkak]

Izuna saw the bigger picture, look at the persecution the Uchiha went through after the deal with the Senju

The senju clan did not persecute the uchiha tobirama did, the senju as a group vanished shortly after tobirama's reign they possibly interbred with the rest of the populace. Izuna just didn't want to trust anyone and wanted the uchiha to exist in an organisation made up of only them.

The uzumaki tried it and look what happened to them

 

[shelke]

More or less, I suppose.

The senju clan did not persecute the Uchiha tobirama did, the senju as a group vanished shortly after tobirama's reign they possibly interbred with the rest of the populace. Izuna just didn't want to trust anyone and wanted the uchiha to exist in an organisation made up of only them.

The uzumaki tried it and look what happened to them

That is incorrect, as they stood behind Tobirama despite his shaky policies concerning the clan. Also, there was nothing wrong with Izuna's mindset, as what he foresaw, befell the Clan through Senju politics.

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Doubtful, tobirama was very different from sasuke he grew up in war and was always looking at the bigger picture. Even if his methods were not the best tobirama seemed wise even as a child.

Kakashi was a jerk as a kid but changed due to the loss of his team mates and became an all for team-work type guy.

Sasuke is different he was a shy and impressionable child. Though skilled, he was nothing like kakashi and tobirama as a yong boy and if the mind rape didn't happen he would still be all about revenge just not as focused on it. In short sasuke would have been like his part 1 self before itachi mind raped him again i.e. thinking more about his team mates than revenge.

In short he would still be nothing like tobirama or kakashi.

We clearly seen sasuke change into kakashi before the mind rape and sound four fight

Sasuke is more negato than he is oro
Itachi is more tobirama like
Naruto is obito with blonde hair

 

[Reboryushon]

Nope. Kakashi admmited that Sasuke and him are alike. Tobirama is a tactician like hebi Sasuke.

If this Manga showed us anything is that one's life forges a path of life. Sasuke would be a different character, not like the others. Just because he shares personality traits doesn't mean he would become like Danzo, Orochimaru, Tobirama or Kakashi.

Even if he wasn't mind ****ed by Itachi and the Uchiha massacre never happened.

Tobirama and Kakashi are the type who acknowledge their limitation and turn to to their brain to get result. They be real with their selves.

Sasuke is everything but humble. Uchiha pride distances him from those two.

It is not because you say he would be equal that he would. There are characters alike being the main similarity that they are just victims of the cycle of hate and the Ninja system.

Naruto is obito with blonde hair

lol no! They are nothing alike, Obito was weak, he fell apart when things got complicated emotionally for him. Naruto just fueled himself on adversity to overcome his battles and challenges, nothing like Obito.

 

[Nagi]

If this Manga showed us anything is that one's life forges a path of life. Sasuke would be a different character, not like the others. Just because he shares personality traits doesn't mean he would become like Danzo, Orochimaru, Tobirama or Kakashi.

Even if he wasn't mind ****ed by Itachi and the Uchiha massacre never happened.



Sasuke is everything but humble. Uchiha pride distances him from those two.

It is not because you say he would be equal that he would. There are characters alike being the main similarity that they are just victims of the cycle of hate and the Ninja system.



lol no! They are nothing alike, Obito was weak, he fell apart when things got complicated emotionally for him. Naruto just fueled himself on adversity to overcome his battles and challenges, nothing like Obito.

Wrong. Naruto always had somebody to pick him back up. Even Kakashi stated this to Obito.