[Debate] Is our safety more important than our humanity?

[Senju Bean]

A general question that can be applied to specific situations.

Sometimes it's really one or the other.

So just assume that in this discussion.

 

[Defence]

How can you have one without the other?

Surely if humanity is doomed there's no hope for individual safety?

 

[Gerkak]

Nope. If you sacrifice humanity for safety then it all depends on safety for whom and from whom. Eventually lack of humanity will lead to wars again

Keeping our humanity guarantees safety if all humans kept their humanity there would be no wars, terrorist attacks, poverty etc. Humanity and safety go hand in hand

 

[Senju Bean]

Nope. If you sacrifice humanity for safety then it all depends on safety for whom and from whom. Eventually lack of humanity will lead to wars again

Keeping our humanity guarantees safety if all humans kept their humanity there would be no wars, terrorist attacks, poverty etc. Humanity and safety go hand in hand

I talk about the situations where it's only one or the other. What then?

 

[Gerkak]

I talk about the situations where it's only one or the other. What then?

Read the first part again, there is no universal safety(one group will benefit over the other) if you sacrifice humanity then it is only a matter of time before conflict starts again. Humanity will grantee safety for all humans only natural deaths will be the exception

 

[Senju Bean]

Read the first part again, there is no universal safety(one group will benefit over the other) if you sacrifice humanity then it is only a matter of time before conflict starts again. Humanity will grantee safety for all humans only natural deaths will be the exception

Im not talking about war. Here's a situation, guy has ebola and you are the doctor. You backing out will increase your safety at the cost of your humanity(basically letting the guy die). Yet, there is no backlash as in war.

 

[Defence]

Im not talking about war. Here's a situation, guy has ebola and you are the doctor. You backing out will increase your safety at the cost of your humanity(basically letting the guy die). Yet, there is no backlash as in war.

So Ebola will spread and the doctor is no safer than before. In fact the prevalence will increase and his safety will obviously decrease.

 

[Marin]

By humanity I guess you mean morals. Define morals...

 

[Senju Bean]

So Ebola will spread and the doctor is no safer than before. In fact the prevalence will increase and his safety will obviously decrease.

No not really. It may spread but his safety is still higher if he just got out there. Think about it mathematically, people near the disease at at the most risk, regardless if it is an epidemic of not.

 

[nefraiko]

hhhhhhhhhhhhh guys lets be honest everybody sacrifices humanity for security, jobs,... by simply voting and supporting the government, that kills thousands of people for money and power to get you more jobs and more safety and also by buying your sweet clothes from the firms that you know make these clothes in another poor country by children workers who get all kinds of illness from the shitty work place, you also sacrifice some humanity when you go to mcdonalds that is supporting directly israel and hp that is also supporting directly israel, when you drink coka colla and here humanity isn't even sacrificed for safety but for enjoyment

you know you've sacrificed your humanity when you see all those videos of people geting killed, all those poor african that don't even find water to drink, and when you know that deep inside you, you don't give a ****.
you only care when it's to you it is happening.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[Nick01]

Of course not

 

[Defence]

No not really. It may spread but his safety is still higher if he just got out there. Think about it mathematically, people near the disease at at the most risk, regardless if it is an epidemic of not.

Lol mate if it spreads and he allows it to spread, he's put himself at a bigger risk. Hypothetically there's no hiding from an epidemic. The whole point of your example is flawed because as I said if humanity is doomed so is the individual.

 

[Senju Bean]

Lol mate if it spreads and he allows it to spread, he's put himself at a bigger risk. Hypothetically there's no hiding from an epidemic. The whole point of your example is flawed because as I said if humanity is doomed so is the individual.

If he lets it spread, other people eat up the risk, not him. He could just hightail it out of there to another country for something.

There was a SARS epidemic that affected thousands but it didn't affect me because I wasn't nearby.

there are people that die from rare diseases just because they were nearby.

 

[Defence]

If he lets it spread, other people eat up the risk, not him. He could just hightail it out of there to another country for something.

There was a SARS epidemic that affected thousands but it didn't affect me because I wasn't nearby.

there are people that die from rare diseases just because they were nearby.

But for humanity's safety to seriously be in question, the risk has to effect everyone. So in essence, the individuals safety would be screwed along with everyone else. The original point is personal safety vs humanity right?

If it's something only affecting a few then it's not really relavant to individual vs humanity. Iykwim

Btw this is one cool 'debate' lol

 

[Gary777]

humanity comes first then safety .....
humanity is selfless ....
safety is selfish ....
see thats my perception on life yours may vary .... though i can explain y they r in that order with complete statements if someone has doubts

 

[Aim64C]

A general question that can be applied to specific situations.

Sometimes it's really one or the other.

So just assume that in this discussion.

And what is "humanity?"

People love to go on and on about "humanity" as if to be human is to be this glorious beacon of enlightenment and civility... and, well, if your poop stinks, then that's just inhuman.

It's just as human to become aroused by the feeling of someone's neck snapping in your grip as it is to cry at the sight of a child being re-united with his fluffy little puppy.

We are a predatory social animal - which means our concepts of territory spill over into our personal relationships. We claim the people around us as ours (or recognize them as being claimed by others). In times of conflict and stress - those who are not 'ours' will experience the predatory side of our nature far more readily than those who are our own.

Whether or not you consider this to be a good thing depends upon how superior you believe yourself to be to the world around you.

I believe this clip more or less puts it into perspective:

[video=youtube;0WURzIiEuD8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WURzIiEuD8[/video]

 

[Wabbit]

self preservation above all.
When you have sacrificed yourself for someone it means their survival was more important than yours.

 

[Karna]

I wouldn't make that trade, if being sane and sensitive to others is what Humanity is then as far as being abnormal goes, you only need take a look at how our species have treated OTHER species, not to mention you are social beings, so becoming inhuman woudln't really do any good.

 

[Jack Spicer]

There has to be a balance.

 

[Punk Hazard]

self preservation above all.
When you have sacrificed yourself for someone it means their survival was more important than yours.

Yeah so?