[Discussion] What exactly is yonko level?

[Vandenre1ch]

Fan bases didn't make yonko. Yonko is said and feared in the anime. Yonko are feared emperors. It would only make sense that the marines would fear the four emperors.
You people make whitebeard sound weak. He was in no ways weak. How old was he 72? Right? I coulda swore I heard that somewhere. A freaking old man fighting three different admirals. If they killed him early on like you say they could have that probably could have ended the war. They couldn't kill him. Whitebeard wasn't just any yonko he was the strongest yonko. Now it's harder to agree with you now because you're saying the strongest man in the world isn't really all that.

Yonko LEVEL is made up and the anime has alot of filler.

The Yonkous are the 4 most powerful pirates in the NW not only because of their individuals strength, but because of their crews, allies, territories and influence. Without a crew, allies and territories, you can't be a yonkou. BB became a yonkou after taking over most of WB's territories and Mihawk isn't a yonkou for those very reasons. You can potentially became a yonkou while being weak.

The admirals are the most powerful MARINES in the world and they are known for their INDIVIDUAL strength and is the marine's greatest fighting force. You can't be an admiral if you are weak and they(and the marines) exist to balance out the yonkou forces. If WB came to Marineford alone, he would get SLAUGHTERED as would Big Mam, Kaidou, Shanks, Dragon and Roger if they came without their troops.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Huh? What does Moria have to do with Kaido?
And yeah I was thinkng that too. Maybe chief of all marines is yonko level. I doubt Kong is strong tho. I think he just is politically big or something. He doesn't look strong

I think he is...

 

[Nox]

Yonko level is a fan fabricated placing brought about as a means of of justification of wanking the Pirate faction. The thinking process over values the idea that this is a pirate manga all whilst focusing heavily on the feats of one Old WB. It proceeds to scale the respective Yonko as either his peers if not superiors. Those who support this idea continue to spout statements such as "The pirate age would not have lasted long if the head honchos of both pirates and marines were equal. Old WB vs Admirals proof a Yonko level exists etc." In short Yonko level as a class is no different that Warlord level. Non existent.

 

[YellowFang]

IMO...

Admiral level or a bit above, overall hype originates from the strength of the whole crew...

 

[ssjelf]

Yonko LEVEL is made up and the anime has alot of filler.

The Yonkous are the 4 most powerful pirates in the NW not only because of their individuals strength, but because of their crews, allies, territories and influence. Without a crew, allies and territories, you can't be a yonkou. BB became a yonkou after taking over most of WB's territories and Mihawk isn't a yonkou for those very reasons. You can potentially became a yonkou while being weak.

The admirals are the most powerful MARINES in the world and they are known for their INDIVIDUAL strength and is the marine's greatest fighting force. You can't be an admiral if you are weak and they(and the marines) exist to balance out the yonkou forces. If WB came to Marineford alone, he would get SLAUGHTERED as would Big Mam, Kaidou, Shanks, Dragon and Roger if they came without their troops.

That doesn't explain away yonko I level. What would happen if wb , big mam, kaido, or shanks fought an admiral by themselves against an admiral by themselves. The common consensus is that in all cases the yonkou fighter would win.

Beyond that, it has Garp statements about the to yonkou a mentions nothing about their crew, and while the have powerful crews that allow them to rule like they do, Garps statement only applies to the individual. Yonkou means 4 emperors not 4 emperors and crew. So when Garp says the yonkou are the strongest pirate, it means the the 4 emperors are the strongest pirates and an emperor is an individual not a group so that means those 4 pirates are the strongest and nine others are stronger

 

[Punk Hazard]

That doesn't explain away yonko I level. What would happen if wb , big mam, kaido, or shanks fought an admiral by themselves against an admiral by themselves. The common consensus is that in all cases the yonkou fighter would win

Depends on the Yonko. Only Yonko I'd say is surely beating Akainu is Kaido. Shanks is either way, Akainu beats Big Mom and Teach extreme diff.

 

[ssjelf]

Depends on the Yonko. Only Yonko I'd say is surely beating Akainu is Kaido. Shanks is either way, Akainu beats Big Mom and Teach extreme diff.

Kaido for sure but unfortunately we haven't seen anything from mam or shanks or bb to be sure about it. Although I take akainu to be a special case and although you don't think this I think akainu being fleet admiral means he is the stronger than the admirals. At the end of the time skip I would say because it was the end of an era the admirals may have been surpassing the old era but they just hadn't been put into the fleet admiral position yet that their strength deserved

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kaido for sure but unfortunately we haven't seen anything from mam or shanks or bb to be sure about it. Although I take akainu to be a special case and although you don't think this I think akainu being fleet admiral means he is the stronger than the admirals. At the end of the time skip I would say because it was the end of an era the admirals may have been surpassing the old era but they just hadn't been put into the fleet admiral position yet that their strength deserved

A Fleet Admiral is just an Admiral with more authority tbh. Both Akainu and Aokiji have good reputation and leadership skills, so they chose to settle it via violence.

 

[ssjelf]

A Fleet Admiral is just an Admiral with more authority tbh. Both Akainu and Aokiji have good reputation and leadership skills, so they chose to settle it via violence.

Perhaps both were candidates that had the strength suitable for the position though.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Perhaps both were candidates that had the strength suitable for the position though.

So does Borsalino, you don't see him being nominated.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

That doesn't explain away yonko I level. What would happen if wb , big mam, kaido, or shanks fought an admiral by themselves against an admiral by themselves. The common consensus is that in all cases the yonkou fighter would win.

Beyond that, it has Garp statements about the to yonkou a mentions nothing about their crew, and while the have powerful crews that allow them to rule like they do, Garps statement only applies to the individual. Yonkou means 4 emperors not 4 emperors and crew. So when Garp says the yonkou are the strongest pirate, it means the the 4 emperors are the strongest pirates and an emperor is an individual not a group so that means those 4 pirates are the strongest and nine others are stronger

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The 4 yonkou are the 4 most powerful pirates who reign like emperors. You can't reign or be an emperor/leader without subjects. The reason they are like emperors because of their crews, allies and territories. Even Buggy can become an emperor. Without the territories and crew, you can't be a yonko.

Akainu can beat all yonko minus Kaidou.

 

[ssjelf]

So does Borsalino, you don't see him being nominated.

Well he wasn't nominated although you could make the case that was because of his personality not being suitable to leading. But perhaps even the minute difference in strength that allowed akainu to be fleet admiral is enough to allow him to better compete imwith the yonkou. Beyond that though and to kinda drop the fleet admiral portion of the argument because you make a good point, we still don't know enough of the fighting ability of the yonkou to say if they could defeat Garp or not.

Kaido has the title which puts him above akainu and he certainly has the hype, the other haven't been shown yet but if bb is to be the final villain at some point he needs to be able to beat akainu. Shanks seems more than confident that he could fight and win at marineford against akainu and big mam we simply don't know.

The whole yonkou tier thing is based on a lot of hype and of WBs performance at MF but we still don't know enough about the others but the hype I would say is enough for now to suggest there being a difference

 

[ssjelf]

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The 4 yonkou are the 4 most powerful pirates who reign like emperors. You can't reign or be an emperor/leader without subjects. The reason they are like emperors because of their crews, allies and territories. Even Buggy can become an emperor. Without the territories and crew, you can't be a yonko.

Akainu can beat all yonko minus Kaidou.

He is now one of the 4 most powerful pirates... thats is all there is to be said for their strength

Being an emperor has nothing to with strength as weaklings can be emperors as well but being a yonkou is different

I believe you have the precedent and atecedent mixed up here. They rule like emperors because of their strength not the other way around because Garp said nothing about that

 

[Tobi98]

> Admirals couldn't touch him
> Akainu blows half his face

LMFAO
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[arv993]

Nb idiots at it again. Lol yea kaido who is hyped more than any character who is alive rn is equal to the same class as Fujitora. Shanks stops a war and is given an equals tanning with WB. WB at 72 with a lot of damage still did well against the navy. They even relied on dirty tricks. They even have schibukai like Mihawk and yet the admirals equal yonko. Riker and vanderehatever stop trolling do u honestly believe from a hype factor Fujitora or even akainu was hyped on kaido's, gold roger, WB or Shikis level. Yonko or pirates like Shiki and roger are beyond them. Only marines on that level is garp, sengoku at prime. But navy has numbers with strength to beat any one yonko but they have warlords for a reason their full firepower is not good enough to match yonkos.

 

[BrillyMac]

A Fleet Admiral is just an Admiral with more authority tbh. Both Akainu and Aokiji have good reputation and leadership skills, so they chose to settle it via violence.

I just thought, didn't Luffy beat former admiral z who taught most of the current admirals? Was that movie cannon? If so Luffy negs :bdpf:

 

[Punk Hazard]

I just thought, didn't Luffy beat former admiral z who taught most of the current admirals? Was that movie cannon? If so Luffy negs :bdpf:

Nah, Film Z wasn't canon. Not to mention Z said he was so old, his body no longer did what he wanted.

 

[Yubel]

There is no Yonko level, each of the admirals were holding their own against Whitebeard and even besting him at different points. Also no Yonko is stronger than Whitebeard 1v1 so there is only Pirate King level which is Roger.

 

[Punk Hazard]

There is no Yonko level, each of the admirals were holding their own against Whitebeard and even besting him at different points. Also no Yonko is stronger than Whitebeard 1v1 so there is only Pirate King level which is Roger.

There's no such thing as Pirate King level either.

 

[Anduril]

Mihawk is Yonkou level.